Word of wisdom in Non-Abrahamic Faiths

[Aupmanyav]

For me, one has been Buddha's Kesamutti Sutta (Kesamutti Sutta - Wikipedia):

• Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing (anussava),
• nor upon tradition (paramparā),
• nor upon rumor (itikirā),
• nor upon what is in a scripture (piṭaka-sampadāna)
• nor upon surmise (takka-hetu),
• nor upon an axiom (naya-hetu),
• nor upon specious reasoning (ākāra-parivitakka),
• nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over (diṭṭhi-nijjhān-akkh-antiyā),
• nor upon another's seeming ability (bhabba-rūpatāya),
• nor upon the consideration 'The monk is our teacher (samaṇo no garū)'
• Kalamas, when you yourselves know 'These things are good; these things are not blameable; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness,' enter on and abide in them.

 

[Samael_Khan]

For me, one has been Buddha's Kesamutti Sutta (Kesamutti Sutta - Wikipedia):

• Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing (anussava),
• nor upon tradition (paramparā),
• nor upon rumor (itikirā),
• nor upon what is in a scripture (piṭaka-sampadāna)
• nor upon surmise (takka-hetu),
• nor upon an axiom (naya-hetu),
• nor upon specious reasoning (ākāra-parivitakka),
• nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over (diṭṭhi-nijjhān-akkh-antiyā),
• nor upon another's seeming ability (bhabba-rūpatāya),
• nor upon the consideration 'The monk is our teacher (samaṇo no garū)'
• Kalamas, when you yourselves know 'These things are good; these things are not blameable; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness,' enter on and abide in them.

I already came to this conclusion independently recently so I am gonna adopt this as a reminder to myself. As a person who didn't trust myself and relied upon external views to validate my own worldview (everything mentioned in Kesamutti sutta) I know the flaws of not trusting my own experience. Trusting myself contributes to my inner peace, destroys cognitive dissonance and self confidence. It led me on the right path.

How has the Kesamutti sutta helped you in life?

 

[Aupmanyav]

How has the Kesamutti sutta helped you in life?

I questioned and analyzed.

 

[metis]

Excited to hear your words of wisdom

Don't eat the yellow snow.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Don't eat the yellow snow.

Comedic answers:

• Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and annoys the pig.
• Wherever you go, there you are.
• Don't sweat the petty stuff or pet the sweaty stuff.
• Never mock a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets miffed, he's a mile away and barefoot.

 

[stvdv]

We have to learn to love ourselves first

Very true

In that context ... my favorite Bible verses:
The Three Great Commandments:
1) Love the Lord thy God
2) Love your Self
3) Love your neighbor

And amazing, that the Bible tells us that these 3 are equally important. Meaning: you are Divine, the other is Divine ... the Father, Son analogy makes sense. God's Plan comes together

* Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind
* This is the great and first commandment.
* And a second is like it:
* You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[Tamino]

"Don't stretch out your hand for the bread,
if there's someone beside you who has none.
Bread exists always,
it's humans that last but a generation."
(Instruction of Ani)

"Follow your heart as long as you live
Do no more than is your duty
Don't diminish the time of following-the-heart
- to do so is an abomination to your soul."
(Instruction of Ptah-Hotep)

"Resist the opportunity of greed
It is a sore disease of the worm
No advance can come from it.
It embroils fathers and mothers
With mother's brothers
It entangles a wife with the husband,
It is a levy of all evils,
a bundle of all hatefulness"
(Instruction of Ptah-Hotep)

"Steer the boat
that we may help the evil one cross the river
We shall not act like him.
Support him
Set him in the hand of the god
Fill his belly with your bread
So he shall be sated
And feel shame "
(Instruction of Amun-em-ope)

 

[Samael_Khan]

Don't eat the yellow snow.

Eeeeeeewwwww....

Yet wise words nonetheless.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Very true

In that context ... my favorite Bible verses:
The Three Great Commandments:
1) Love the Lord thy God
2) Love your Self
3) Love your neighbor

And amazing, that the Bible tells us that these 3 are equally important. Meaning: you are Divine, the other is Divine ... the Father, Son analogy makes sense. God's Plan comes together

* Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind
* This is the great and first commandment.
* And a second is like it:
* You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Ah, this takes me back to my bible roots....

This is a very interesting insight of yours.

To add to it, the bible says that we are "made in the image of God". To harm another is then to harm Gods image. To hate another is to hate Gods image. So you end up hating and harming God really.

So in Advaita terms, as we spoke about earlier, our Atman is all connected to God. Duality is an illusion then. We are all connected. To hate someone or something else that is living is to hate ourselves because we are all connected to God.

 

[Samael_Khan]

"Don't stretch out your hand for the bread,
if there's someone beside you who has none.
Bread exists always,
it's humans that last but a generation."
(Instruction of Ani)

"Follow your heart as long as you live
Do no more than is your duty
Don't diminish the time of following-the-heart
- to do so is an abomination to your soul."
(Instruction of Ptah-Hotep)

"Resist the opportunity of greed
It is a sore disease of the worm
No advance can come from it.
It embroils fathers and mothers
With mother's brothers
It entangles a wife with the husband,
It is a levy of all evils,
a bundle of all hatefulness"
(Instruction of Ptah-Hotep)

"Steer the boat
that we may help the evil one cross the river
We shall not act like him.
Support him
Set him in the hand of the god
Fill his belly with your bread
So he shall be sated
And feel shame "
(Instruction of Amun-em-ope)

These are great exerpts. Do you follow Ancient Egyptian religion?

All of these verses speak to me but especially the second one. Diminishing the following of your heart is an abomination to your soul. Quite a great verse. Thank you.

 

[stvdv]

Ah, this takes me back to my bible roots....

This is a very interesting insight of yours.

To add to it, the bible says that we are "made in the image of God". To harm another is then to harm Gods image. To hate another is to hate Gods image. So you end up hating and harming God really.

So in Advaita terms, as we spoke about earlier, our Atman is all connected to God. Duality is an illusion then. We are all connected. To hate someone or something else that is living is to hate ourselves because we are all connected to God.

You aced it, according to my Guru

He told us:
IF you hurt or hate anyone
You should realize you hurt or hate Me

 

[Tamino]

These are great exerpts. Do you follow Ancient Egyptian religion?

Yes. Though not in all aspects. But it's the framework of my spiritual worldview.

All of these verses speak to me but especially the second one. Diminishing the following of your heart is an abomination to your soul. Quite a great verse. Thank you

Yes, I love that one as well! Work-Life-Balance from 4000 years ago!

Also a classic verse from Ptah-Hotep:

Do not feel superior on account of your knowledge
and don't trust that you are wise.
But speak with the uneducated same as with the learned.
There is no artist who has reached perfection, for there are no limits to art.
Perfect speach is rare as malachite
Yet you may find it among the maidservants at the grindstones.

 

[Samael_Khan]

You aced it, according to my Guru

He told us:
IF you hurt or hate anyone
You should realize you hurt or hate Me

It is difficult to feel this way about people who wrong you though.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Yes. Though not in all aspects. But it's the framework of my spiritual worldview.


Yes, I love that one as well! Work-Life-Balance from 4000 years ago!

Also a classic verse from Ptah-Hotep:

Do not feel superior on account of your knowledge
and don't trust that you are wise.
But speak with the uneducated same as with the learned.
There is no artist who has reached perfection, for there are no limits to art.
Perfect speach is rare as malachite
Yet you may find it among the maidservants at the grindstones.

I have the Egyptian book of the dead at home. Such a beautiful book. My girlfriend is quite knowledgeable about Ancient Egyptian Religion because her father used to worship Egyptian Gods. I am thinking of including aspects of that religion on my spiritual path.

Oooo that is such a good verse! What it says to me is that lots of people sound like they are educated through pretentious speech but even the person who doesnt wield language on the level of the elites is capable of rare words of wisdom. To focus on eloquence is to miss out on wisdom speaking to you. This is very apt insight for the country I live in.

 

[stvdv]

It is difficult to feel this way about people who wrong you though.

I was going to add your line
My guess: This is a challenge for any human

That is the difference between "bookish knowledge" verses "actual knowledge", meaning "Self Realisation".

 

[Samael_Khan]

I was going to add your line
My guess: This is a challenge for any human

That is the difference between "bookish knowledge" verses "actual knowledge", meaning "Self Realisation".

And that challenge is why the spiritual road is a rocky path.

I used to have lots of bookish knowledge which doesn't help much. Self realisation is what we should truly seek, and book knowledge should assist that purpose rather than the inverse.

 

[stvdv]

And that challenge is why the spiritual road is a rocky path.

I used to have lots of bookish knowledge which doesn't help much. Self realisation is what we should truly seek, and book knowledge should assist that purpose rather than the inverse.

Thank you. Reading this I realized why I suffered from constipation for decades (past 6 month it almost normalized; stools twice a day)

My Master has said "Knowledge not put in practice will give indigestion and constipation"

I read too much in the beginning, but was unable to put it in practice.

Sometimes people complained to my Master "why you keep repeating the same Spiritual lessons, why not new ones?".

I've experienced that when I put in practice 1 lesson, God hurries to Grace me with the next one. God is the best, the Universe is perfect

 

[Samael_Khan]

Thank you. Reading this I realized why I suffered from constipation for decades (past 6 month it almost normalized; stools twice a day)

My Master has said "Knowledge not put in practice will give indigestion and constipation"

I read too much in the beginning, but was unable to put it in practice.

Sometimes people complained to my Master "why you keep repeating the same Spiritual lessons, why not new ones?".

I've experienced that when I put in practice 1 lesson, God hurries to Grace me with the next one. God is the best, the Universe is perfect

Constipation is a really good way of putting it. Something is stuck in your body and needs to come out but it just won't because you don't know because you are like a fish out of water.

Reminds me so much of Taijiquan and qigong. I struggles at first but when I learn to balance and relax my body and calm my mind, life's constipation started to ease and all the waste came out.

I feel the same way about my Sifu. Because I want to progress faster. Yet I haven't mastered the basics and am struggling to keep up with practicing 3 martial arts styles. So impatient yet so lack of self awareness am I

 

[stvdv]

For me, one has been Buddha's Kesamutti Sutta (Kesamutti Sutta - Wikipedia):

• Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing (anussava),
• nor upon tradition (paramparā),
• nor upon rumor (itikirā),
• nor upon what is in a scripture (piṭaka-sampadāna)
• nor upon surmise (takka-hetu),
• nor upon an axiom (naya-hetu),
• nor upon specious reasoning (ākāra-parivitakka),
• nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over (diṭṭhi-nijjhān-akkh-antiyā),
• nor upon another's seeming ability (bhabba-rūpatāya),
• nor upon the consideration 'The monk is our teacher (samaṇo no garū)'
• Kalamas, when you yourselves know 'These things are good; these things are not blameable; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness,' enter on and abide in them.

Thank you for sharing
I love it, and bookmarked it
Buddha left the world some precious gems

To chew on

 

[stvdv]

Constipation is a really good way of putting it. Something is stuck in your body and needs to come out but it just won't because you don't know because you are like a fish out of water.

Nice analogy (no water, dry, constipation)

Reminds me so much of Taijiquan and qigong. I struggles at first but when I learn to balance and relax my body and calm my mind, life's constipation started to ease and all the waste came out.

You have some great practices

I feel the same way about my Sifu. Because I want to progress faster. Yet I haven't mastered the basics and am struggling to keep up with practicing 3 martial arts styles. So impatient yet so lack of self awareness am I

Eager to progress is a good thing. I always start with the basics. When mastered, all else is so much lighter. Also worked with math basics

Thank you for sharing

Wow, practicing 3 martial arts

I came not further than watching
I did try, but my lifelong headache
didn't agree with martial arts