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World government - Thoughts?

Are you in favour of a world government?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • No

    Votes: 9 56.3%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Total voters
    16

Sultan Of Swing

Well-Known Member
I'm sure all of you must have heard of the raving Christian or conspiracy theorist (or both) that yaps on about a coming world order that will subjugate us all and bring the world to ruin!!!

As someone who favours smaller governments with more freedom to the people, globalisation is a real issue to me.

As someone from the UK, there has been much talk over our membership of the EU. I am personally against it, it is anti-democratic in regards to the British people (the people who the British voted for are not in charge), and really democracy just doesn't work at such a high level where there are hundreds of millions of voters, votes are more meaningless than ever before, there is hardly any motivation to vote in the European elections unless you're going to protest! The EU forces laws and regulations and all sorts of rules on the UK that the UK never voted for or passed in its own Parliament. It apparently gives us trade and business advantages, great, and in return we have an open door immigration policy where all 500 million citizens are welcome to come in and the handing over of our sovereignty.

/rantover

Now, I don't want this to be a discussion about the EU but it was just an illustration of how a world-wide governing structure might work, or not work, and what it would mean for the individual nation-state.

Would you be in favour of a world government? If so, how would you like it to be ordered? Would countries still remain countries in some loose sense, governed by a federal decentralised structure? Perhaps it will finally bring world peace... but what would you be prepared to sacrifice? The independence and freedom of the nation-state? The ability to vote on what laws apply to your nation, not an overarching organisation telling you what laws to have? Is there too much room for abuse, too much risk that corruption will arise, that the world-state will become over-bearing and controlling, especially if it starts meddling with wealth re-distribution?

If you're not in favour, why not? Will it not bring greater stability? Think of the free trade, the economic advantages, the social aid that can be re-distributed from rich countries to poor countries. Is it worth it?

And lastly, do you think a world government will ever arise? Perhaps an evolved form of the UN? Could it happen in your lifetime?
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
The United Nations has FAR less power than people think. Its power is similar to American money, it has only the power the members believe it has. Specifically the Security Council. Unless they're working in concert, any resolutions are toothless.

So no, I do not expect the United Nations to form the nucleus of a World Government. However, I do hope for one. It would put an end to war, and allow for resources to be concentrated where they need to be.

It would also by nature have to be somewhat decentralized. Some portions of the world are not up to par, to be frank, and until they're brought up to the Western European-American-Japanese level, we're gonna need to treat them slightly differently in regards to how they are governed.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
The U N is pretty much a paper tiger.
I'm in favor of a one world government as long as it's a theocratic government run by Jesus and God.
That would be the hope anyway.
I'm not a suppoter of the E.U or any man run world government.
 
I'm sure all of you must have heard of the raving Christian or conspiracy theorist (or both) that yaps on about a coming world order that will subjugate us all and bring the world to ruin!!!

As someone who favours smaller governments with more freedom to the people, globalisation is a real issue to me.

As someone from the UK, there has been much talk over our membership of the EU. I am personally against it, it is anti-democratic in regards to the British people (the people who the British voted for are not in charge), and really democracy just doesn't work at such a high level where there are hundreds of millions of voters, votes are more meaningless than ever before, there is hardly any motivation to vote in the European elections unless you're going to protest! The EU forces laws and regulations and all sorts of rules on the UK that the UK never voted for or passed in its own Parliament. It apparently gives us trade and business advantages, great, and in return we have an open door immigration policy where all 500 million citizens are welcome to come in and the handing over of our sovereignty.

/rantover

Now, I don't want this to be a discussion about the EU but it was just an illustration of how a world-wide governing structure might work, or not work, and what it would mean for the individual nation-state.

Would you be in favour of a world government? If so, how would you like it to be ordered? Would countries still remain countries in some loose sense, governed by a federal decentralised structure? Perhaps it will finally bring world peace... but what would you be prepared to sacrifice? The independence and freedom of the nation-state? The ability to vote on what laws apply to your nation, not an overarching organisation telling you what laws to have? Is there too much room for abuse, too much risk that corruption will arise, that the world-state will become over-bearing and controlling, especially if it starts meddling with wealth re-distribution?

If you're not in favour, why not? Will it not bring greater stability? Think of the free trade, the economic advantages, the social aid that can be re-distributed from rich countries to poor countries. Is it worth it?

And lastly, do you think a world government will ever arise? Perhaps an evolved form of the UN? Could it happen in your lifetime?
Truckers are all for it..

willyah
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
No thank you, governments like to continually expand themselves in scope and power, with all the developed world's military resources combined... Never put all your eggs in one basket.

Maybe I'm paranoid but I've just read too much 1984 to be comfortable with the idea. I think the Government is too intrusive as it is.
 
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Bunyip

pro scapegoat
I think a global government is inevitable. The current Westphalian system of state supremacy is 500 years old - it just doesn't fit.
The issues we face are global and can only be addressed globally - climate change, poverty, inequity, environmental degradation.
Besides - it would be better than the proxy Team America World Police approach we see now.
 
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Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
I think a global government is inevitable. The current Westphalian system of state supremacy is 500 years old - it just doesn't fit.
Not necessarily, 'Rome' may collapse again. If WWIII happens it just may blow us back to a dark age situation.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
Not necessarily, 'Rome' may collapse again. If WWIII happens it just may blow us back to a dark age situation.
I'm thinking of a democratically elected, civil society as opposed to a totalitarian regime. The current militarily minded outlook in geopolitics is a symptom of the collapse of the current system - rather than a prophecy facing the notion of a global society.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I used to favor the idea of a world government, but the matter is mostly academic these days.

Having actual governments is the goal to aim for now. We are in a serious crisis of representativeness, and it appears to be nearly worldwide.
 

Tarheeler

Argumentative Curmudgeon
Premium Member
I'm another who prefers small local governments held together with loose federations. I wouldn't be necessarily opposed an umbrella federation to protect rights and handle disputes among governments, but that's as far as I would take it.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
No thank you, governments like to continually expand themselves in scope and power, with all the developed world's military resources combined... Never put all your eggs in one basket.

Maybe I'm paranoid but I've just read too much 1984 to be comfortable with the idea. I think the Government is too intrusive as it is.
You know that wasn't the point Orwell was trying to make, right? The problem in 1984 is nationalism, not the global power of the state(or states, depends on how you view it).
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
I voted no but it was mainly because I can't see it working well for us.

I just cannot imagine a world government on a planet where close to a third are muslim, a third are christian and the rest is a hodgepodge of religious and non-religious groups ever working well as a secular entity with any kind of meaningful freedom. And I cannot see the christian/muslim hatreds allowing for anything else.

I could see, at some point in the future, a blended religion consisting of muslim and christian doctrine taking hold. They share more than they want to admit. When/If that happens, look out.
 

bretzter

Member
Is it not exactly that what you´re looking for the coming Antichrist will indeed set up?.
The entire world is looking for a man to be this Antichrist,when it could actually be an
organization.
But like it is with any organization,it has to have a head of it,or a man who is chosen
to actually preside over the said organization.
And be careful what you wish for,because that what you may want,might just turn out
the opposite of to that what you get,or didn´t expect.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It will never happen. Even if something like that were instituted it would inevitably break apart in war.

Imaging for instance if First Nations or Native Americans would sit idly by and see the last thread of sovereignty eliminated.

I can't even think as to what form it would take to even make a world government work. It would require an immense heavy handedness and countless human rights violations to "bring people together".

What a nightmare.
 
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