Would a good god allow the Coronavirus?

[Spirit of Light]

Do you think it is justified?

And presumably you think it is justified?

Everything that happen to us in our life has a meaning behind it, nothing happens without a reason.
Can i see the meaning and reason behind Covid? No that i can not but i accept life as it unfold (toward me)

 

[Rawshak]

Everything that happen to us in our life has a meaning behind it, nothing happens without a reason.
Can i see the meaning and reason behind Covid? No that i can not but i accept life as it unfold (toward me)

I think you may not want to say simply that it is justified, I think most people would feel a moral qualm in saying 100,000 deaths are justified.

 

[firedragon]

Alex. "In order to assert that there is a God who is supervising this, then it must follow that there is morally sufficient reason for it to occur"

The Bishop could not give a convincing answer IMHO.

If you are contending an internal contradiction, you have to state the internal proposition and the contradiction.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I think you may not want to say simply that it is justified, I think most people would feel a moral qualm in saying 100,000 deaths are justified.

I can not say what is justifiable for God, if God is behind sending Covid to our life.

In my life i only speak from my own understanding, not for how others should believe or understand something.

 

[Clara Tea]

Alex. "In order to assert that there is a God who is supervising this, then it must follow that there is morally sufficient reason for it to occur"

The Bishop could not give a convincing answer IMHO.

Revelation says not to attack Babylon, Iraq.

Revelation 15 (seven plagues) is one punishment, among many, for attacking Iraq.

The Whore of Babylon, according to Revelation 17:18 is the country that attacked Iraq. It is the richest and most powerful in the world, but known for corruption (sex scandals) and flaunting wealth (Barbara Bush's simple necklace of pearls was mentioned in the bible). Thus, the Whore of Babylon is the US.

The dragon (evil demon from hell) is George W. Bush.

The beast (another evil demon from hell, who is the son of the dragon) is George H. W. Bush.

In other words, COVID is a punishment from God for attacking Iraq.

 

[Rawshak]

If you are contending an internal contradiction, you have to state the internal proposition and the contradiction.

I am not contending an internal contradiction.

 

[Clara Tea]

I try not to be more superstitious than I need to be. But something I have noticed in my life, is that when religious people more or less say "God will have judgement on you.", something really bad happens to that person saying it, like them having a health scare. Something like that happened after one of my own family members told me that they thought LGBT+ people went to hell. After they came back from hospital, from this bad seasonal allergy attack they had, they were much friendlier and more tolerant in their views. It was like they were a changed person after that. It's just kind of weird watching these things seem to happen, is all.

Sneeze and appease?

 

[Rawshak]

Revelation says not to attack Babylon, Iraq.

Revelation 15 (seven plagues) is one punishment, among many, for attacking Iraq.

The Whore of Babylon, according to Revelation 17:18 is the country that attacked Iraq. It is the richest and most powerful in the world, but known for corruption (sex scandals) and flaunting wealth (Barbara Bush's simple necklace of pearls was mentioned in the bible). Thus, the Whore of Babylon is the US.

The dragon (evil demon from hell) is George W. Bush.

The beast (another evil demon from hell, who is the son of the dragon) is George H. W. Bush.

In other words, COVID is a punishment from God for attacking Iraq.

Are you saying that coronavirus is justified then?

 

[Clara Tea]

Everything that happen to us in our life has a meaning behind it, nothing happens without a reason.
Can i see the meaning and reason behind Covid? No that i can not but i accept life as it unfold (toward me)

Revelation 15 (seven plagues as punishment for attacking Iraq).

 

[Spirit of Light]

Revelation 15 (seven plagues as punishment for attacking Iraq).

That can of course be a reason, but i can not say it for sure

 

[Rawshak]

I can not say what is justifiable for God, if God is behind sending Covid to our life.

In my life i only speak from my own understanding, not for how others should believe or understand something.

Can you ever say if something is good or bad then?

 

[Clara Tea]

Are you saying that coronavirus is justified then?

The prediction of Coronavirus (COVID) is in the bible (Revelation 15). All of Revelation was a warning not to attack Iraq, and to recognize who will attack it. It described the attacker as the most powerful nation in the world, and described it as the Whore of Babylon. Why don't other people see this obvious statement in the bible? It is as if no one understands the bible (the word of God), and no one is heeding God.

Modern prophets of God also warned not to attack Iraq, but no one heeded them.

Is God justified in making COVID? I don't know. Who is qualified to judge God?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Do you think it is justified?

And presumably you think it is justified?

Are you asking if it is part of a judgement for our actions?

I see calamity is in fire t proportion of out interaction with creation and what God has offered, there are many thought gi en on this in the Baha'i Writings on this subject, it really neds to be studied, as no one quote can Cove all thoughts, ut this is one of them;

"In Akká, January 1908, this question was asked of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá: "Are great calamities like this flood, the San Francisco earthquake, etc., caused by the wickedness of the people?" To this He responded: "Events like these happen because of the connection between the parts of the universe, for every small part has connection with every great part, and what affects one affects the other or all others. On account of this connection, the actions of man have effect. Whenever a promise is broken, it causes a commotion. For instance, suppose two nations have a disagreement. It is a difference in ideas only, and not a physical thing, not anything we can touch or see; yet this disagreement has a physical effect. It causes war, and thousands of men are cut in pieces. So, when man breaks his promise to God, in other words when he "violates the Covenant," the effect is physical, and calamities appear."

Daily Lessons Received at Akká' by Helen Goodall & Ella Cooper. Bahá’í Publishing Trust 1979, p. 21-22

Thee is also such advice on sickness and diseases, it is our actions that are not in conformity with God's advice that tips the balance.

There is a lot on this topic to consider.

Regards Tony

 

[Spirit of Light]

Can you ever say if something is good or bad then?

If we look at our own action, words and thoughts there is a lot to look at when it comes to good or bad, stiving to always do good is to me the right thing to do, if a human do "bad or wrong" action, words or thoughts it will create a reaction

 

[Clara Tea]

Can you ever say if something is good or bad then?

God knows the future. So, God says "thou shalt not kill" which also means "don't fight a war." If we defy God, we pay the price, and God knows this because God knows the future. All God can do is warn us not to take the wrong path. Too late for that, President W. Bush attacked Iraq, and that started us on the path to world destruction according to the bible.

 

[Rawshak]

If we look at our own action, words and thoughts there is a lot to look at when it comes to good or bad, stiving to always do good is to me the right thing to do, if a human do "bad or wrong" action, words or thoughts it will create a reaction

But how can you know what is good or bad if God is the only one who can see the greater good?

 

[Spirit of Light]

But how can you know what is good or bad if God is the only one who can see the greater good?

Most of it is described in the scriptures of course. But there is the part of understanding life, what is hurtful to one self or to others is mostly a wrong deed to do.
Being good to others is a good deed.

that is why i stive to hold unconditional love from within my heart

 

[Rawshak]

Are you asking if it is part of a judgement for our actions?

I see calamity is in fire t proportion of out interaction with creation and what God has offered, there are many thought gi en on this in the Baha'i Writings on this subject, it really neds to be studied, as no one quote can Cove all thoughts, ut this is one of them;

"In Akká, January 1908, this question was asked of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá: "Are great calamities like this flood, the San Francisco earthquake, etc., caused by the wickedness of the people?" To this He responded: "Events like these happen because of the connection between the parts of the universe, for every small part has connection with every great part, and what affects one affects the other or all others. On account of this connection, the actions of man have effect. Whenever a promise is broken, it causes a commotion. For instance, suppose two nations have a disagreement. It is a difference in ideas only, and not a physical thing, not anything we can touch or see; yet this disagreement has a physical effect. It causes war, and thousands of men are cut in pieces. So, when man breaks his promise to God, in other words when he "violates the Covenant," the effect is physical, and calamities appear."

Daily Lessons Received at Akká' by Helen Goodall & Ella Cooper. Bahá’í Publishing Trust 1979, p. 21-22

Thee is also such advice on sickness and diseases, it is our actions that are not in conformity with God's advice that tips the balance.

There is a lot on this topic to consider.

Regards Tony

I am asking if God is justified in allowing Coronavirus?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And presumably you think it is justified?

My prayer is for God's Will to be done for all people and that all people can find peace in that Will.

I can not know God's Will or plan, but I can choose to live a life of Love and Justice and consider how my actions will harm the whole and endevor to be less materialistic in giving more to others.

In that way I will accept good science and not be selfish, I will take the vaccination, I will mask up if required and I will isolate and not party and be selfish.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I am asking if God is justified in allowing Coronavirus?

I can not Judge God? What I can do is follow the advice given as to how to live a happy and healthy life and if trouble still happens, be thankful that God knows what is best for the progress of our souls.

So I know I live in an environment that will attack us at any time, I know that can make me sick. I accept life and I see no flaw in creation.

Regards Tony