Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Gore got more votes than Bush in 2000. Hillary many more votes than the Orange One sixteen years later. Unfortunately we do not live in a democracy, so those who get the most votes often lose.
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Would Dietrich Bonhoeffer say the kid who tried to kill Donald Turmp is a hero?
- Thread starter Redneck Mystic
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Gore got more votes than Bush in 2000. Hillary many more votes than the Orange One sixteen years later. Unfortunately we do not live in a democracy, so those who get the most votes often lose.
We Never Know
No Slack
That's my point. The polls get their data from people/voters when they predict outcomes.
Having the popular vote doesn't mean winning the election.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Hey as you know, I am a Republican and I really dislike Trump and in fact will not be voting for him (though I will be voting as I am pretty sure you also know). But I don't want him DEAD. I just don't want him to be the President of the United States of America.
Redneck Mystic
Active Member
Well, if Trump gets elected, will you be happy the shooter only nicked Turmp?
Redneck Mystic
Active Member
You know he was not part of the plot to kill Hitler?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Nothing about the assassination attempt makes me happy.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Of course we don't live in a democracy.
We live in a representative constitutional republic as the founding fathers established.
Redneck Mystic
Active Member
Actually, I’m talking about a scenario where Trump wins, and that turns out to be the last free election in America. Do you recall shortly after Trump was elected the first time, Putin got elected president for life in Russia, and Trump said on TV, I watched it, that he liked that idea, president for life. Do you recall Trump said not long ago, if he gets elected in November, he will be a dictator from day one? Do you spend time, like I do, talking with MAGAs? Right-wing Christians? Who don’t want Democrats having in say in how America and states are governed? Do you live in.a deeply red state, as I do? Have you figured out that when Trump keeps saying the 2020 election was stolen, his base know. he means, stolen by blacks?
Redneck Mystic
Active Member
I don’t think you answered my question?
We Never Know
No Slack
Well if Trump gets elected, will you be sorry the shooter didn't kill Turmp?
Soandso
ᛋᛏᚨᚾᛞ ᛋᚢᚱᛖ
That's a loaded question. People can both dislike Trump and also be happy Trump wasn't killed
Tomef
Well-Known Member
I would have taken it to mean stolen by liberals, probably there is some racism involved, as you say. I’m sure Trump would like to be President god forever, and a lot of people would support that. What that might ultimately lead to though can’t really be based on what some people say they want. The future is as unknowable to them as it is to you or me. To get back to the original point, Bonhoeffer was not in a ‘what if’ situation but a ‘this is happening now’ one. And the extent of any involvement he might have had in an assassination attempt is unknown.
Redneck Mystic
Active Member
So, you are happy Turmp wasn’t killed?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I do not want Trump to be dead. Period.
Oh and please spell his name correctly. Or at least consistently. Thanks.
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Soandso
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To an extent. I would be happier had no other innocent people been harmed during the shooting in general. I am glad he wasn't killed, though. The fact assassination attempts play such a consistent role in American politics is sickening to me
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I feel it's my duty to point out quite accurately that the shooter is in fact not a kid.
Redneck Mystic
Active Member
Well, I’m al olld lawyer who once clerked for a U.S. District Judge, who presided over every federal criminal prosecution in his court’s jurisdiction, After watching film footage of Trump summoning his Aryan army to Washington. D.C.,, and then watching him rev up his army on Jan 6, and watching what they then went and did at and inside the Capitol. and then learning Trump watched it on V from a sage location and he liked it, and he only called his army off after being begged several times by people close to him, I felt Trump should be arrested, jailed, prosecuted, convicted and hanged by the neck until dead, and still feel that that way. I also feel the same should happen to Joe Biden for helping Israel kill, maim, starve and/or displace every civilian in Gaza.
Redneck Mystic
Active Member
American politics on both sides sickens me, and maybe nuking D.C. when the president and vice president and cabinet and Senate and Congress and Supreme Court are there is the only way to try to start over.
The shooter’s passion was politics. he was a Republican, yet he tired to kill Trump after the Republicans in Congress gave him a free pass and then Republican judges started giving him free passes, and whose whose to say the shooter was the bad guy?
Soandso
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I don't share your grim view of American politics. Yes there are major problems, and yes people have sought to undermine the rights of Americans, but America isn't the only country with struggles. The history of it's problems dates back to it's very inception or even before in some cases
The best thing to do if you feel this passionately about politics in this country is to involve yourself and take part in the change you want to see instead of just succumbing to complacent cynicism. Shooting a guy like our would be assassin won't fix or save us from our deeper problems
While the shooting was obviously politically motivated, we don't know the actual motivations for the shooter yet. For all we know this could just be his way to claim fame
Me, for one
Trump is an awful human being and his actions cause very real harm, but shooting a gun at a crowd in hopes of killing him and instead killing those around him is vile to say the least, Ignoring that, killing him only serves to legitimize his actions and makes it more difficult to fight against the awful policies he's been responsible for and makes it easier to pass the policies that MAGA champions as a whole
Not only is trying to assassinate Trump gross, but it's also ineffective in the political landscape we see ourselves in, imo
Wirey
Fartist
The purpose of the July 20 plot wasn't to overthrow Hitler and end the war, it was to overthrow Hitler, get a separate peace with the Americans and British, and to continue the war against the Russians. Presumably, despite his personal approbation, the Final Solution would have kept on rolling as well. Ardent German nationalist, yes. Hero?
