Would liberals defend incest?

[Sunstone]

Incest is a red herring, not a serious issue.

Agree.

 

[Skwim]

Would liberals defend incest?

"Liberals"????

I'm calling this

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[Alceste]

What is this "liberal agenda," anyway? *
You're giving us too much credit -- we're not that organized.

The liberal agenda:

1: recruit all kids from public schools and turn them into science gays.
2: criminalize all sexual taboos and inhibitions
3: persecute Christians
4: indiscriminately rut like rabbits in a Viagra factory
5: replace work ethics with entitlement mentality
6: persecute Christians some more.
7: lynch rich people
8: vote exclusively for totalitarian Kenyan Muslim socialists and feminazis.

Did I miss anything, fellow liberals?

 

[Alceste]

I just saw the picture of a model mom and her sons in a very provocative pose and to be honest it made me queasy. It has a lot to do with the moral degradation of our society. Here's the link: Yahoo!

I guess I would pose a question to the liberals here asking:

Would you defend the right for mothers and sons/fathers and daughters to marry?
Would you defend the right for siblings to have sex and mate?
Would you march and champion such rights and 'fight' for such things?
If not why not? Don't they have a right to love each other?

A question to the rest of us is how far is the media and fashion willing to go? What's after incest? Animals? Excrement?

A society which permits incest would allow genetically unfit children to enter such a society. I wouldn't want live in one.

See, here's the difference between you and I. I look at those photos and see a desperate attempt by an aging pseudo-celebrity to stay relevant by milking the general public's limitless appetite for scandal and controversy. I see a posed, carefully crafted photo shoot, not a candid shot capturing an incestuous relationship. One of her sons is gay! The whole thing bores me.

You look at it and see the impending end of the world, the collapse of civilization, an attack on everything that is holy and good, the imminent death of vanilla heterosexual relationships and god knows what other prophesies of doom or outrages against humanity.

So, given that the obvious intention of the photo shoot is to shock, provoke and scandalize, and to generate public attention, which of the two of us is giving them exactly what they wanted?

 

[Skwim]

See, here's the difference between you and I. I look at those photos and see a desperate attempt by an aging pseudo-celebrity to stay relevant by milking the general public's limitless appetite for scandal and controversy. I see a posed, carefully crafted photo shoot, not a candid shot capturing an incestuous relationship. One of her sons is gay! The whole thing bores me.

You look at it and see the impending end of the world, the collapse of civilization, an attack on everything that is holy and good, the imminent death of vanilla heterosexual relationships and god knows what other prophesies of doom or outrages against humanity.

So, given that the obvious intention of the photo shoot is to shock, provoke and scandalize, and to generate public attention, which of the two of us is giving them exactly what they wanted?

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[Sunstone]

See, here's the difference between you and I. I look at those photos and see a desperate attempt by an aging pseudo-celebrity to stay relevant by milking the general public's limitless appetite for scandal and controversy. I see a posed, carefully crafted photo shoot, not a candid shot capturing an incestuous relationship. One of her sons is gay! The whole thing bores me.

You look at it and see the impending end of the world, the collapse of civilization, an attack on everything that is holy and good, the imminent death of vanilla heterosexual relationships and god knows what other prophesies of doom or outrages against humanity.

So, given that the obvious intention of the photo shoot is to shock, provoke and scandalize, and to generate public attention, which of the two of us is giving them exactly what they wanted?

Spot on.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Consenting adults should be able to do what they want to do with each other. That includes incest. They also should be able to do drugs, modify any part of their body, die in a manner of their choosing and all the other rights that should follow from self-ownership and individual liberty.

Zoophilia and scat play doesn't bother me, either. To be honest, I find scat play to be the grossest out of all the things you mentioned. But that's not really a good reason for prohibiting it.

I'm not a liberal, though. I'm much more radical than that. I'm an anarchist.

 

[idav]

Actually this has to do with the argument that interracial pairings result in stronger offspring. It's an academic argument, and besides i was using skin color as an example. It could apply to any genes.

Alleles may not be lost but they will become rarer if dominant genes suppress recessive ones, the latter of which might be more genetically 'fit' in certain environments.

Humans can handle any environment just from intelligence. Now with diversity with current humans we are talking genes that have already survived the test of time.

 

[LuisDantas]

I just saw the picture of a model mom and her sons in a very provocative pose and to be honest it made me queasy. It has a lot to do with the moral degradation of our society. Here's the link: Yahoo!

Not sure of why you see such a relationship.

It looks more like a fad, or a minor eccentricity, to me.

I guess I would pose a question to the liberals here asking:

Would you defend the right for mothers and sons/fathers and daughters to marry?

I suppose not.

Would you defend the right for siblings to have sex and mate?

Probably not, although reproductive capability has a lot to do with that.

Would you march and champion such rights and 'fight' for such things?
If not why not? Don't they have a right to love each other?

I have some worries about disfunctional, co-abusive relationships and expression of harmful recessive genes.

A question to the rest of us is how far is the media and fashion willing to go? What's after incest? Animals? Excrement?

Different subject matters are different subject matters.

A society which permits incest would allow genetically unfit children to enter such a society. I wouldn't want live in one.

Uh, why? How much importance do you think genetic fitness has, and how much of it do you think exists today?

Is that you objection against incest?

 

[nilsz]

I am afraid that if we tolerate incestuous relationships between consenting adults, this may allow exploitation of family members disadvantaged by such things as economic dependence and mental disabilities, creating an immense power imbalance in any such relationships.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am afraid that if we tolerate incestuous relationships between consenting adults, this may allow exploitation of family members disadvantaged by such things as economic dependence and mental disabilities, creating an immense power imbalance in any such relationships.

True, that is an issue. But that's issue even outside of incest. That's why things should be taken on a case by case basis, instead of making broad sweeps.

 

[Father Heathen]

Do liberals believe morality is an illusion, something like a relic of religions?

No "liberals" do believe in morality. The difference is that it's typically based on reason and compassion rather than upon irrational, unsubstantiated, and arbitrary notions.

 

[MD]

No "liberals" do believe in morality. The difference is that it's typically based on reason and compassion rather than upon irrational, unsubstantiated, and arbitrary notions.

How do you get to dictate what is reasonable and compassionate? They aren't universal.

 

[Father Heathen]

How do you get to dictate what is reasonable and compassionate? They aren't universal.

Logic and evidence.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Animals can't consent...

That is just untrue. How can a horse or a dog humping a human not be consent? Who is doing who here?

 

[MD]

Logic and evidence.

Logic and evidence dictates that a lot of things liberals support are simply irrational, yet they impose their views on everyone.

For example almost all the liberals here supported incest as long as the couple didn't breed. I mean how 'logical' is that, how can you promote sex and prevent breeding? Logically such offspring would have severe health issues. Infact 'logic' and 'evidence' would point against supporting any form of incest whatsoever (not to mention several other liberal views).

 

[Reverend Rick]

How do you feel about same sex incest Shahz?

 

[Sunstone]

Logic and evidence dictates that a lot of things liberals support are simply irrational, yet they impose their views on everyone.

For example almost all the liberals here supported incest as long as the couple didn't breed. I mean how 'logical' is that, how can you promote sex and prevent breeding? Logically such offspring would have severe health issues. Infact 'logic' and 'evidence' would point against supporting any form of incest whatsoever (not to mention several other liberal views).

Several of the "liberals" in this thread have given you well reasoned arguments for their positions. Quintessence especially went out of her way to offer strong reasoning why incest isn't much of a biological issue anymore. You have chosen to sidestep such reasoning. Then, you turn around and assert liberals don't offer arguments based on logic and evidence. Interesting. Seems like your opinion is pretty knee jerk to me.

 

[Quintessence]

I'd like to point out that "supports incest" probably isn't the right way to frame it.

It's more of a "supports that other people's sex lives - where consenting, legal adults are involved - isn't anybody else's freaking business."

 

[Alceste]

I'd like to point out that "supports incest" probably isn't the right way to frame it.

It's more of a "supports that other people's sex lives - where consenting, legal adults are involved - isn't anybody else's freaking business."

Yeah, there are lots of things I support, like the right to privacy, the right to bodily autonomy, the right of two consenting adults to do whatever they want with each other without me sticking my nose in (uh - ew, but whatever), the right to equality under the law, etc.

I don't "support incest". It's more like I don't care. It's just none of my business unless one party is being exploited or abused or is unable to consent.