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Would you choose an easy life or a hard life?

The Transcended Omniverse

Well-Known Member
Personally, if I had the choice, I would choose a life that is eternal, nothing but blissful, has no problems or hardships, and has no suffering, illnesses, or diseases. Some people would choose a hard life filled with hardships since they wish to grow and develop. But some people such as me have absolutely no need for growth, growth does not give any value to our lives, and it is all just pointless misery and turmoil for us. I will give you an analogue for how a blissful life that has no hardships is the better solution:

Imagine a patient has cancer and science already has the cure right there. Should this person just suffer in agony until he/she goes into remission from his/her cancer one day? Or should he/she just take the cure right now? Obviously, the solution here is to take that cure. It is pointless, in my opinion, to just choose to suffer in agony. I will give another analogue. Imagine if there are two ways to get somewhere. One way takes a very long time while the other way is a shortcut that will get you there quickly. The better solution is to take the shortcut since the long way is nothing but problems, anger, frustration, and misery.

So there is my analogue. I would apply this analogue to life itself in general. In other words, I am all for better and healthier solutions. I am not at all for a life of hardship and misery. Such a way of life is not only pointless misery, but a waste of my time. Therefore, my attitude is that of a future civilization. Imagine what types of people we will be later on thousands of years from now into the future.

If we have found cures for all suffering and illnesses, then our attitudes would be very likely similar to mine. We would see hardships and suffering as pointless misery since science has finally found the better solution which would be cures to give more quality, more happiness, and a life of freedom to us as human beings. So that is my attitude towards life. I would like to hear what others think. Besides, there are other ways to grow besides hardships and suffering. You can grow through a blissful life instead.

Lastly, I would never grow bored or tired of an eternal blissful life. The only way that could happen to me is if I develop a need for a life of hardship and misery. That is how we as human beings grow bored after all. We grow tired of a certain thing for a while and we need something else. But since I will never have a need for hardships and suffering in my life since it is all pointless misery that has no value to me, then that is why I would never grow bored from an eternal blissful life.
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Personally, if I had the choice, I would choose a life that is eternal, nothing but blissful, has no problems or hardships, and has no suffering, illnesses, or diseases. Some people would choose a hard life filled with hardships since they wish to grow and develop. But some people such as me have absolutely no need for growth, growth does not give any value to our lives, and it is all just pointless misery and turmoil for us. I will give you an analogue for how a blissful life that has no hardships is the better solution:

Imagine a patient has cancer and science already has the cure right there. Should this person just suffer in agony until he/she goes into remission from his/her cancer one day? Or should he/she just take the cure right now? Obviously, the solution here is to take that cure. It is pointless, in my opinion, to just choose to suffer in agony. I will give another analogue. Imagine if there are two ways to get somewhere. One way takes a very long time while the other way is a shortcut that will get you there quickly. The better solution is to take the shortcut since the long way is nothing but problems, anger, frustration, and misery.

So there is my analogue. I would apply this analogue to life itself in general. In other words, I am all for better and healthier solutions. I am not at all for a life of hardship and misery. Such a way of life is not only pointless misery, but a waste of my time. Therefore, my attitude is that of a future civilization. Imagine what types of people we will be later on thousands of years from now into the future.

If we have found cures for all suffering and illnesses, then our attitudes would be very likely similar to mine. We would see hardships and suffering as pointless misery since science has finally found the better solution which would be cures to give more quality, more happiness, and a life of freedom to us as human beings. So that is my attitude towards life. I would like to hear what others think. Besides, there are other ways to grow besides hardships and suffering. You can grow through a blissful life instead.

Lastly, I would never grow bored or tired of an eternal blissful life. The only way that could happen to me is if I develop a need for a life of hardship and misery. That is how we as human beings grow bored after all. We grow tired of a certain thing for a while and we need something else. But since I will never have a need for hardships and suffering in my life since it is all pointless misery that has no value to me, then that is why I would never grow bored from an eternal blissful life.

To answer your question, I'd rather pass away and accept death as a process of life and the end of my life without needing any means to live forever. My greatest concern, and that which I would change is that my family, friends, and those that know me would not suffer the experience of grief from their lost. Life is not easy; and, that is the way it is.

It's how we deal with life that makes life easier to handle, not changing the circumstances of it.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Imagine a patient has cancer and science already has the cure right there. Should this person just suffer in agony until he/she goes into remission from his/her cancer one day? Or should he/she just take the cure right now? Obviously, the solution here is to take that cure. It is pointless, in my opinion, to just choose to suffer in agony.
He or she should take the cure and then go through the challenging - even agonizing - things that they choose for themselves.

Involuntary suffering, like cancer, denies a person their ability of self-determination.

I will give another analogue. Imagine if there are two ways to get somewhere. One way takes a very long time while the other way is a shortcut that will get you there quickly. The better solution is to take the shortcut since the long way is nothing but problems, anger, frustration, and misery.
That depends: are you driving for fun or just to get to your destination? Some people take the longer road because they enjoy it.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
has no problems or hardships, and has no suffering, .

God made this world and it still exists today- with no worries, fear, hate, grieving, suffering or challenges of any kind- for Jellyfish. And hence no joy, love, triumph, inspiration, learning, growth for them either- would you trade places?
me neither
 

The Transcended Omniverse

Well-Known Member
God made this world and it still exists today- with no worries, fear, hate, grieving, suffering or challenges of any kind- for Jellyfish. And hence no joy, love, triumph, inspiration, learning, growth for them either- would you trade places?
me neither
You can have joy and bliss without suffering and hardship. Think of a baby born into this world. He/she is already able to experience joy, love, and bliss being in the arms of a mother. If that baby never cried and never experienced any suffering or hardship in the first place upon being born into this world, then I am quite sure that baby would still be able to experience joy, love, and bliss. Therefore, it is not necessary at all to experience suffering and hardship in order for there to be joy, love, and bliss. So you can have all the inspiration, learning, growth, love, joy, and bliss through a blissful life rather than a life that has suffering and hardship.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If I had a choice, while a life devoid of any struggles, hardships, and difficulties would be very dull, very boring, and lacking in the potential to learn some of life's greatest lessons, I would most certainly have chosen my life be much easier than it has been, with the bad knees, y-chromosome, and poverty (something I've been rising out of and falling back into my whole life) I was born with being the first things to go. Actually, with those things taken care of, eliminating the knee pains I've had my whole life, the morbid and suicidal depression I've had, and always having enough money for bills, rent, food, and the doctor may on their own make life so much easier that I wouldn't see anything else to do away with, other than that I do come from a high dysfunction and broken and at times shattered family.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
You can have joy and bliss without suffering and hardship.
Without darkness, how do we know what the light is? Without cold, how do we know what warmth is? If all we have is joy and bliss, all we have is a new normal that we begin to not even notice.
Living in America is a great example. We think nothing of our abundance of clean drinking water that is most often only a short walk away. And unlike Europe where aquifers have been exhausted, for now our water remains cheap because we haven't quite yet reached this point of exhaustion. By all means it is something we take for granted because it is something that we just give no thought or consideration to. Most of the world's human population, on the other hand, must walk a great distance to get clean drinking water or they just have no access to it at all. For us Americans, it's just water when we turn on the tap. For much of the world, it would be a luxury undreamed of that would bring immediate delight and joy. But that delight and joy is temporal and fleeting, and this water would eventually bring no more joy once it became an acclimated everyday part of life as it is for most Americans.
 
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Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
You can have joy and bliss without suffering and hardship. Think of a baby born into this world. He/she is already able to experience joy, love, and bliss being in the arms of a mother. If that baby never cried and never experienced any suffering or hardship in the first place upon being born into this world, then I am quite sure that baby would still be able to experience joy, love, and bliss. Therefore, it is not necessary at all to experience suffering and hardship in order for there to be joy, love, and bliss. So you can have all the inspiration, learning, growth, love, joy, and bliss through a blissful life rather than a life that has suffering and hardship.

But of course babies do cry, they do experience a certain amount of discomfort, fear, etc. right? And nourishment and attention bring them comfort and joy, in direct relation to the extent that those things were craved

Good and bad literally define each other, just as left and right, they are relative terms, they have no meaning without each other.
 

The Transcended Omniverse

Well-Known Member
But of course babies do cry, they do experience a certain amount of discomfort, fear, etc. right? And nourishment and attention bring them comfort and joy, in direct relation to the extent that those things were craved

Good and bad literally define each other, just as left and right, they are relative terms, they have no meaning without each other.
You can have good without bad, but it will never be defined as good since you don't have anything bad to contrast.
 

The Transcended Omniverse

Well-Known Member
So it has no meaning

As one poster said, it's not that s**t happens to us, it's that s**t matters to us
It will have meaning to you. But the only difference here is that the phrase "This is meaningful to me" will be absent. That is all. I don't see how that is a problem since your life is still good (meaningful) even though you are not actually thinking and saying that. It is no different than how you can still love your family and have good meaningful things in your life even if you haven't learned any language. You don't need the English language or any other language to make your life good and meaningful.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
It will have meaning to you. But the only difference here is that the phrase "This is meaningful to me" will be absent. That is all. I don't see how that is a problem since your life is still good (meaningful) even though you are not actually thinking and saying that. It is no different than how you can still love your family and have good meaningful things in your life even if you haven't learned any language. You don't need the English language or any other language to make your life good and meaningful.

it's not the language, good, goot, bien, whatever you like, the experience, the perception of good cannot exist unless there is an alternative experience to relate it too.

Extreme case in point; Being rich, young, talented, and adored by everyone, no real challenges in life at all.- This might all seem really 'good' to you and I who lack this good fortune. But what about child stars who grow up knowing little else?

Do they tend to be deliriously happy? or do they tend to be manically depressed and even take their own lives?
 

The Transcended Omniverse

Well-Known Member
it's not the language, good, goot, bien, whatever you like, the experience, the perception of good cannot exist unless there is an alternative experience to relate it too.

Extreme case in point; Being rich, young, talented, and adored by everyone, no real challenges in life at all.- This might all seem really 'good' to you and I who lack this good fortune. But what about child stars who grow up knowing little else?

Do they tend to be deliriously happy? or do they tend to be manically depressed and even take their own lives?
I am quite sure most of those child stars who grow up hardly having any hardship and suffering in their lives are quite happy and their lives are quite meaningful. I am a great example. I have lived most of my life this way and it was the most joyful and meaningful life to me up until a certain point where I began to suffer from depression and traumatic experiences.

Also, are you sure you need to experience the opposite of something in order have whatever experience it is you want? I don't think this is the case. You can still see colors even if you have never seen an absence of color in your life and you can still smell and hear even if you were never deaf or couldn't smell. The same thing should apply to good and joy/happiness. You can still have these things in your life even without experiencing any suffering, hardship, or anything bad.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Also, are you sure you need to experience the opposite of something in order have whatever experience it is you want? .

In order to give those experiences meaning yes. A pizza is still a pizza, you perceive the same 'good' smell, taste, colors, but you only enjoy them to the extent you are hungry- an unpleasant
sensation.

One my my greatest joys is the first warm day of spring, after a long cold winter. (that and getting my feet back on the ground after a flight!)
People in so. cal. don't wake up every morning feeling like this!

It's hardly a controversial observation is it?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I choose the Middle Way, and try not try too hard. Life is life as it is, death is as it is, and eternity is as it is. We will pass into the journey beyond the known without reason's light.
 

siti

Well-Known Member
Imagine if there are two ways to get somewhere. One way takes a very long time while the other way is a shortcut that will get you there quickly.
I used to deliberately get off the train a stop before "home" just so I could walk the longer route home - through muddy fields full of cow pats, the odd decaying carcass of some recently deceased creature and occasional unexpected showers that drenched the unprotected head and created unavoidable puddles too wide to jump over and too deep to avoid getting water in the shoes. Of course there was a lot of interesting stuff to see too - wild rabbits running about the fields, birds in the hedgerows, wildflowers, trees...I don't know if bad stuff has to exist in order to appreciate the good, but training ourselves to accept both (as they come) gives us a more balanced perspective and the final destination - home, with a hot tub and all the other creature comforts - was all the more appreciated and would never have been the same if the most difficult part of getting there had been a 10 second dash from a taxi to the front door. If you're looking for a shortcut to eternal happiness I doubt the search could end in anything but disappointment. I was never disappointed - with the journey or the destination - but I'm guessing that was (is) mostly because I don't expect either to be perfect. Likewise with life.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I choose an easy life.
If I had nothing but ease, I'd be weak,
but fortunately, difficulty visits me unbidden.
 
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