Would you go back in time to see if your religion was correct, if it meant you could not return

[arthra]

"spiritual words" or "spiritual worlds"
Did the Spirit make you write "words"

My mistake... words can't describe the spiritual worlds. My faltering typing is all I can offer ;-)
The Life of the Spirit | What Bahá’ís Believe

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[danieldemol]

Open question

I wouldn’t because with more time more knowledge comes to light, so it seems to me like us and future generations have a better chance to see if religion withstood new scientific discovery than what the founders did.

Besides I see no reason they couldn’t do something now that they could do back then, for example if Jesus could raise the (physically) dead back to physical life then, then He could do it now, so since He can’t (or won’t) do it today it seems reasonable to believe He couldn’t or wouldn’t do it back then.

 

[syo]

Paganism is universal, so no.

 

[stvdv]

I wouldn’t because with more time more knowledge comes to light, so it seems to me like us and future generations have a better chance to see if religion withstood new scientific discovery than what the founders did.

Makes sense, though, personally I would say yes to Krishna, Jesus, Muhammad to visit me. As I prefer first hand verses rather than "hear say" (which almost all Scriptures are). But true, going there not coming back, I would not do either.

Besides I see no reason they couldn’t do something now that they could do back then,

This is Kali Yuga according to Krishna. It's the least virtuous. Meaning in Yugas previous to Kali they were far more advanced in meditation, so in wisdom. They could do things, they can't do now. Don't ask me to prove it. I can't. Just "hear say" from Vedas. Can be true, can be false. So I can't make a claim either way.

for example if Jesus could raise the (physically) dead back to physical life then, then He could do it now

If exactly the same Jesus, I guess yes

so since He can’t (or won’t) do it today it seems reasonable to believe He couldn’t or wouldn’t do it back then.

I did meet quite a few claiming to be the Messiah, Jesus (even on RF). So far I was not impressed, but I took it they were "not the real deal". You say he can't/won't do it today seems to imply "He" is here. Still not doing. Okay, but still not doing now (raising dead) does not mean "not doing back then" IMO. 1 reason could be "too many humans already" (at least far more now)

 

[danieldemol]

Okay, but still not doing now (raising dead) does not mean "not doing back then" IMO. 1 reason could be "too many humans already" (at least far more now)

But if the stories are to be taken literally there is no such thing as too many humans, as Jesus allegedly could provide enough bread and fishes (ie resources) for all from one lunchbox.

 

[stvdv]

But if the stories are to be taken literally there is no such thing as too many humans, as Jesus allegedly could provide enough bread and fishes (ie resources) for all from one lunchbox.

Okay, so you agree it was not reasonable what you assumed in below quote

I just gave an example. The point was clear that it was not reasonable. For one, Jesus is not here now (as far as I know)

About the lunchbox, if you want. Jesus only did His tricks for a few years. With a big earth we need a lunch box also for other years. Unless Jesus planned to stay indefinite, doing daily tricks. Possible but unlikely, taken into account Scriptures don't mention such thinks happened before. 1000 years was the oldest man,allegedly. So lunch box seems a stretch.

But you know me a little, I love miracles so I am open to witness lunch box miracles.

Seeing this vast Universe, to me, almost anything is possible. The sky is no limit

so since He can’t (or won’t) do it today it seems reasonable to believe He couldn’t or wouldn’t do it back then.

I think I see your take on this now. You have a problem believing "raising from dead" is possible. It's not about whether it is done now by Jesus or not.

Okay. I never have doubted this to be possible or not. Especially since I have seen so many miracles, that Jesus his miracles are no big deal for me to might have happened

 

[danieldemol]

Okay, so you agree it was not reasonable what you assumed below.

I expressed no such agreement.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Don't ask me to prove it. I can't. Just "hear say" from Vedas.

Vedas never made any absurd claims. They only prayed to their Gods to give them peaceful, prosperous family life and healthy kine; and asked their Gods that nature should not play games with them (i.e., Spring, rains at the correct time). They also asked their Gods to save them from aggressors (man or animal - tribes, theives and Vrika, wolf).

Don't open lunch-boxes. Pandora did that and suffered.

 

[ajay0]

As per the Prajapita Brahmakumaris, time is spherical and the universal cycle keeps repeating continuously. It means that if you go back in time sufficiently enough, you will actually meet your own self and present circumstances.Same if you move forward in time sufficiently enough as well.


The Prajapita Brahmakumaris is a monotheistic Dharmic sect which perceives and worships God as a point of light. They are the only spiritual organisation in the world led, taught and administered by women.

 

[stvdv]

I expressed no such agreement.

I thought so. I was just checking, because you ignored all I said and started with the lunch box.

so since He can’t (or won’t) do it today it seems reasonable to believe He couldn’t or wouldn’t do it back then.

1) Jesus is not even here now
2) Different Messengers come in different times with different teachings and miracles, certain Scriptures declare
3) Also not logical: No meteorites strike the earth now, so it's reasonable to assume it did not happen 2000 years ago

You still think your quote makes sense?

My argument might be: "I have not seen others being raised from the dead with my own eyes. So I can not believe this happened back then. I only believe when I see it myself"

 

[stvdv]

Vedas never made any absurd claims. They only prayed to their Gods to give them peaceful, prosperous family life and asked their Gods to save them from aggressors.

Thanks for your uplifting words:

Vedas no absurd claims. Good to know. Absurdity (duality) is in the eyes of the beholder anyway (or how to say this in English?). Not in the Eye of the seer.

Don't open lunch-boxes. Pandora did that and suffered.

Thanks, good advice.I love it

 

[Aupmanyav]

Absurdity (duality) is in the eyes of the beholder anyway (or how to say this in English?). Not in the Eye of the seer.

True. They had 33 + Gods and Goddesses.
Multiple Maruts, Vasus, Adityas and Vishvedevas. Rigvedic deities - Wikipedia

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

AFAIK when jesus interacted with satan his tone wasn't that of hate but reasoning and politely refusing to his offers.

He can afford to be nice since Satan's gonna burn anyway. Jesus never offers the option to forgive him and lies about Satan being the Father of Lies, as Satan never lies in any of his actual scenes.

 

[RoaringSilence]

He can afford to be nice since Satan's gonna burn anyway. Jesus never offers the option to forgive him and lies about Satan being the Father of Lies, as Satan never lies in any of his actual scenes.

What dharmic faiths imply about dealing with adversaries is that one has to show restraint and stick with the light of truth no matter what gifts the other side may offer , your response should be unaffected . same as jesus showed restraint and self discipline with unchanging politeness.

 

[RoaringSilence]

He can afford to be nice since Satan's gonna burn anyway. Jesus never offers the option to forgive him and lies about Satan being the Father of Lies, as Satan never lies in any of his actual scenes.

I purposely ignored half part of your question since i did not have an answer for it . i ve been digging and here is what i found.
this is an excerpt from GGS ( guru granth sahib) i can get you the verses if you are intrested. (but those are in gurmukhi language so won't help )

-25-As is their awareness, so is their way. According to the account of our actions, we come and go in reincarnation. || 1 || Why,O soul, do you try such clever tricks? Taking away and giving back, God does not delay. || 1 || Pause || All beings belong to You; all beings are Yours. O Lord and Master, how can You become angry with them? Even if You, O Lord and Master, become angry with them, still, You are theirs, and they are Yours. || 2 || We are foul-mouthed; we spoil everything with our foul words. You weigh us in the balance of Your Glance of Grace. When one ís actions are right, the understanding is perfect.Without good deeds, it becomes more and more deficient

Dharmic religions are all inclusive and the crime is hated but not the criminal . evil is within us all which is hate-worthy but not the inflicted. The root of that evil is being absorbed by sense gratification and losing your self to it , not being able to rise beyond Anger, Lust ,Greed, Attachment ,Egotism.

God is defined as NIRVAIR ( HATE FREE) in GGS.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Open question

What do you mean? I'm a follower of Aiken, a religion that I personally came up with. I could go back in time to several different places (syncretic religion), and all I'd come up with was that those ppl thought their religion was correct. Bur otherwise, I'd be going back to my own lifespan and re-examining my own life

 

[amorphous_constellation]

What do you mean? I'm a follower of Aiken, a religion that I personally came up with. I could go back in time to several different places (syncretic religion), and all I'd come up with was that those ppl thought their religion was correct. Bur otherwise, I'd be going back to my own lifespan and re-examining my own life

Well do important things in Aiken hinge on anything that happened long before you were born? I don't know anything about your religion, so it's possible, I suppose, that nothing does

 

[RoaringSilence]

He can afford to be nice since Satan's gonna burn anyway. Jesus never offers the option to forgive him and lies about Satan being the Father of Lies, as Satan never lies in any of his actual scenes.

Another dig i found , slightly more interesting .

| 3 || Within this body are the two brothers, sin and virtue. When the two joined together, the Universe was produced. Subduing both, and entering into the Home of the One, through the Guru’s Teachings, we are absorbed in intuitive peace. || 4 || Within the home of the self is the darkness of the love of duality. When the Divine Light dawns, ego and selfishness are dispelled. (http://old.sgpc.net/CDN/English Translation of Siri Guru Granth Sahib.pdf )

duhaa siri-aa kaa aap su-aamee - --He Himself is the Master of both worlds.
khaylai bigsai antarjaamee.-- ---He plays and He enjoys; He is the Inner-guru, the Searcher of hearts.