I agree with this, except as I said above, where is the line in the sand and when does the slippery slope begin from specific context to drifting to outright derailment? I think that is the main question.
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Would you like to contribute to a text about how Hinduism views Jesus (and perhaps others)?
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I agree with this, except as I said above, where is the line in the sand and when does the slippery slope begin from specific context to drifting to outright derailment? I think that is the main question.
Kalidas
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Here lets make it simple. For the purpose of the sticky to be put in the Hindu DIR. Is Jesus excepted as an avatar? No
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Kalidas
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Okay lets try and get this back on track I feel even I should apologise for even I added unneeded random nonsense in my post that was unnecessary and detrimental to this thread and for that I apologize.
So What is the Hindu view on Jesus? He is unnecessary. What ever he may or may not have taught (this is ASSUMING he existed) is already present in Hinduism. Adding him in is redundant and disingenuous to Hinduism, and frankly a slight slap in the face to the traditional Hindus. What you're saying when you try to do this (not saying any of you are TRYING to be insulting) "Hinduism doesn't have enough for me I need to add more". Fine add what ever you need to help you with your personal walk of spirituality, but please don't say it is Hindu because it simply is not.
So What is the Hindu view on Jesus? He is unnecessary. What ever he may or may not have taught (this is ASSUMING he existed) is already present in Hinduism. Adding him in is redundant and disingenuous to Hinduism, and frankly a slight slap in the face to the traditional Hindus. What you're saying when you try to do this (not saying any of you are TRYING to be insulting) "Hinduism doesn't have enough for me I need to add more". Fine add what ever you need to help you with your personal walk of spirituality, but please don't say it is Hindu because it simply is not.
Zelophehad
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You are going off on a tirade that will
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I'll play along...As a Hindu, how do you feel about Moses having 3000 innocent Golden Calf Jews trochured and killed for peacefully practicing a form of Hinduism? And how do you feel about Jesus being the symbol of God, who performed miracles on Moses's and YHWH's behalf? What God is Jesus expressing eternal compassion for? Jesus represents YHWH, right? Who is YHWH, and would you, as a Hindu, accept his murder-for-compassion, so you can be at one with Jesus's God, and feel his love? You have to ask yourself, who is Jesus the Avatar OF? God? YHWH?
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I agree. This is not really my call to make, but it seems to me the general approach should be to point out the major trends and how much agreement there is among them.
I'm fairly certain that Gnosticism is not generally considered Hinduism, though. Inspired by it, perhaps, but not Hinduism.
You're not "playing along", you're still taking this thread in a different direction; this has nothing to do with Moses or the Golden Calf. But I'll answer.
1. I'm not Hindu; in retrospect, I actually never was. I'm not Christian either.
2. I'm in no position to judge the actions or even the existence of a figure who may or may not have lived 3500 years ago. As much as Jesus is irrelevant to Hindus, Moses is irrelevant to me. He is not part of my belief system.
3. I don't believe Jesus performed miracles; I don't believe Jesus was God or a god; I do not believe he was teaching about the God of the Old Testament.
I've never looked into Gnosticism. My only understanding is that is it a very mystical sect coming out of the Middle East. I may even be wrong there. I think a lot of belief systems have been influenced by Hinduism, directly or indirectly.
Zelophehad
Member
You are not keeping up with my points ABOUT Moses. If you are to claim Jesus was the walking Avatar of a God, you have to then get to know who this "God" was. Jesus's God was YHWH. That is who he performed miracle for. I'll answer it more directly then. As a Hindu/Buddhists/Ancient Egyptiian...etc...I believe Jesus was an Avatar of God in Heaven in one way or another, and that's actually the problem, because Jesus then props up YHWH (Moses's "God") in Heaven as the ONLY immoral God of terrorism to reside in Heaven, where Hindu-logic, or the creation of deities are considered committing a crime punishable by death-by torchure. Jesus is the walking representation of YHWH. Any love Jesus expresses, is expressed, or miracles he performed, he did on YHWH's behalf - empowering, and spreading his influence to the globe.
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Seeing how neither Moses nor Jesus are Hindu-related characters, I fail to see why a discussion about Hinduism must consider them.
I never said he's an avatar. I said we could all be manifestations of God.
You have your beliefs, which is perfectly fine. I don't know what the objectives of your dissertations are.
Zelophehad
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That's the thing about Hinduism. It's hard NOT to be Hindu imo. I am one who believes that any character in any book ever written, fiction or not, is a Hindu deity. Hinduism is one of the most natural religions there ever was. It, like many other religions, is a direct result of freedom, and, as a result, shares a lot of the same philosophies as other religions born out of freedom. Many Hindus believe that God uses the deities to communicate to his people. That means ANY deity from ANY walk of life is a Hindu deity. It can also be considered Egyptian as well. Ancient Egyptian, and other mythologies, born out of freedom, are basically the same religion that occurs across the globe as a result of freedom. To be polytheistic, you need freedom. They go hand in hand. Where you have freedom, you have polytheism. Hinduism is just one of many polytheistic religions. I guess you could say all free societies of the world all worship the same God. The God of freedom, making them all the same religion, sharing many of the same philosophies.
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Kalidas
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Agreed.
Zelophehad
Member
I think every Hindu has the freedom to consider worshipping whoever they want. That includes Jesus, Moses, or Batman.
Zelophehad
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Wait. . Isn't that the same thing? Isn't an Avatar a walking representation of a spirit? Isn't an Avatar you create on this site, the digital representation of the spirit you are, or wish to be?
Kalidas
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Sure. That doesnt make it a Hindu concept.. There is a difference between a person that is a Hindu and Hinduism. You could worship Cthulhu for all I care, that doesn't make it a belief in Hinduism.
You know very well that I never said he was an avatar of God as avatar is used and understood by Hindus. I also said avatar and mantra have entered everyday speech. Stop playing word games.
Zelophehad
Member
That's the thing is. Hinduism is really just another word for theologian. If you live in a free country with multiple religions, you are living the same philosophies as Hinduism. Same as the mythologies like Greek and Roman mythologies. They also were theologians who adopted deities and philosophies from other parts of the world. Hinduism kind of embodies that phenomenon.
Zelophehad
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You said this (in bold), and then I said this.
"Wait. Isn't that the same thing? Isn't an Avatar a walking representation of a spirit? Isn't an Avatar you create on this site, the digital representation of the spirit you are, or wish to be?"
Isn't being a manifestation of God, actually being God's Avatar? That's what I'm asking. Isn't it the same thing?