an anarchist
Your local loco.
When you die, would you rather go to heaven (which means some people go to hell), or would you rather enter an afterlifeless death along with everyone else?
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an anarchist
Your local loco.
When I was a Christian for the first 20ish years of my life, I always hated the fact that people went to hell and deserved it too. Well that's what I was taught anyways, and believed too. Even when I believed it, I thought it was messed up.
Perhaps my personal dislike of Christian Hell theology helped me leave the religion behind.
Personal preferences guide ones belief system, as opposed to the literal truth. Am I right when I say that? I think so.
I remember when a classmate who was part of my friend circle hung himself senior year. I was taught that he went to hell. I remember cursing god and flipping off the sky at God. God, I hated God when that happened. He did not deserve hell.
Perhaps my personal dislike of Christian Hell theology helped me leave the religion behind.
Personal preferences guide ones belief system, as opposed to the literal truth. Am I right when I say that? I think so.
Hmm, brain death is the end of me... However...
The 1st law of thermodynamics tells me that my atoms will go on forever. They will be recycled and go to enrich the earth, the plants, etc and yes, even future humans. In that way we are all made of dead people and future people will be made of us.
Looking even further ahead our sun will die, the atoms of my body may go on to help create other suns other planets, other life or just float in space for ever.
Where i go is something of a guess, thermodynamics tells me i will go but not where i will go.
The 1st law of thermodynamics tells me that my atoms will go on forever. They will be recycled and go to enrich the earth, the plants, etc and yes, even future humans. In that way we are all made of dead people and future people will be made of us.
Looking even further ahead our sun will die, the atoms of my body may go on to help create other suns other planets, other life or just float in space for ever.
Where i go is something of a guess, thermodynamics tells me i will go but not where i will go.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Would seem rather sick to condemn someone to else an eternity of torture and torment in order receive an eternity in heaven in exchange. Also, heaven in such a scenario would require a person to lose their sense of guilt and empathy; a lobotomy in a sense.
I don't and can't accept that reward/punishment theology. I can and did accept that hell/heaven are subjective experiences from our deeds in the past life and are temporary and are how we learn from experience.
an anarchist
Your local loco.
Ya know, I would not mind eventually becoming stardust.
In the worldviews of Abrahamic religions, time is linear. So, the universe as we know it came into existence only once, it will continue to exist for a long time, and then it will be destroyed. After its destruction, that’s it. All that remains is one or more everlasting abodes that are not this world. This view of time and existence is the setting for beliefs about the hereafter that feature an everlasting paradise for people who lived only one earthly life, and most of the time an everlasting abode of torment for individuals who lived only one earthly life. In my case, as someone who understands that human beings are prone to erroneous thinking and making foolish choices, I do not believe that a single, short lifetime should have as its consequence an everlasting place of fiery torment. So, I would rather that there be no afterlife for any being than for some to suffer forever while others are happy forever.
In my particular Hindu worldview, time is cyclical. So, this universe has been originated countless times, it has gone on countless times, and it has been dissolved countless times. This cycle has no end just as it has no beginning. It is the setting for the belief in reincarnation. Sometimes you are a plant, an animal, a heavenly or divine being, a hellish or demonic being, or a human being. Regardless of what you are and the kind of world you find yourself in, it is always temporal. So, the suffering that one experiences in a hellish world for one’s misdeeds is temporal. Similarly, the delight that one experiences in a heavenly world for one’s good deeds is temporal. This is in alignment with the fact that all deeds are finite.
Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
I understand that the number of people who ultimately remain in the state referred to as "hell" will be extremely small. All others will enjoy life in a situation far superior to even the best possible conditions on earth, though some will pass through hell on their way to their final destination. All will receive according to their desires, including those who remain in "hell." No one will inherit what he is uncomfortable with. So I'm not sure I can answer the question, as framed.
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osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Eternal doom is defeatist theology. Eternal hell means that someone is bad enough to be tormented day and night forever and ever and is beyond redemption and repair. If someone is that bad they shouldn't be allowed to exist. The idea of an eternal torment place sounds offensive to me. It also sounds very much like God cannot redeem most people. I'd rather redeem then damn someone for all eternity no matter how bad they are. Evil should not exist. So universal salvation sounds like the best option.
The idea that souls go to hell for having the wrong beliefs and convictions is repugnant to me.
If eternal hell were real i'd rather not exist.
Temporary hell that lasts a long time is something that doesn't bother me though.
The idea that evil exists forever in hell makes me nauseous.
The idea that souls go to hell for having the wrong beliefs and convictions is repugnant to me.
If eternal hell were real i'd rather not exist.
Temporary hell that lasts a long time is something that doesn't bother me though.
The idea that evil exists forever in hell makes me nauseous.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
@an anarchist , you should have added one more option - 'other'. It is not a question of what I would like, but what actually is there, i.e., there is no life as an individual after death. The nearly 2 x 10 ^ 25 molecules in the human body disperse in the environment, never to meet again.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Life is meaningless, unless there is justice.
In this life, the most cunning, the sliest, the sneakiest, the most wicked win.
At least, in the other life the victims will get the reward of Paradise. But they cannot be with their own perpetrators. Otherwise there wouldn't be justice. Otherwise all their suffering would have been considered garbage.
Their soul would be treated like garbage by God.
So the wicked will not meet their own victims, in the afterlife. I cannot tell where they will go, and I don't care.
But my faith says they will not meet each other in the afterlife.
When they say our God is merciful, they mean that God is merciful to those who repent, those who bring reparation, by confessing the truth before dying and apologizing to the world.
But most wicked people die without repenting.
In this life, the most cunning, the sliest, the sneakiest, the most wicked win.
At least, in the other life the victims will get the reward of Paradise. But they cannot be with their own perpetrators. Otherwise there wouldn't be justice. Otherwise all their suffering would have been considered garbage.
Their soul would be treated like garbage by God.
So the wicked will not meet their own victims, in the afterlife. I cannot tell where they will go, and I don't care.
But my faith says they will not meet each other in the afterlife.
When they say our God is merciful, they mean that God is merciful to those who repent, those who bring reparation, by confessing the truth before dying and apologizing to the world.
But most wicked people die without repenting.
I have no such preferences. Whatever is, will happen despite what I might want. And hence why I will not die over any beliefs I might hold but merely in self-defense. So, an option three, Other perhaps?
This just broke my brain.
Afterlife means life after life. If there is life after life, then is there really death?
What if people like Hitler and Bundy were the only people sent to Hell?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don't expect death forever. If it was that impossible, that certain, we wouldn't even be here in the first place.
Just like this life occurred, It happened, meaning it can certainly happen again, but as a completly different being like this life is with no association with any former or future forms that come and go when conditions permit.
For me, this life is the afterlife. At least for this one. I expect similar existences of recurring living and dying in unending cycles.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Your post is good for a theist. Justice according to its laws is a nice thing for a society. As the the rest - paradise, soul, God the merciful or otherwise who is satisfied by declaration and apology before dying is not for an atheist. That hardly is justice.
Interfaith discussion. Indeed.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Well yeah, I am an atheist Hindu.Interfaith discussion. Indeed.