Would you support a theocracy if...

[DharmaCatLamp]

... you knew for a fact that God Himself appointed the King?
Think back to the biblical book of Judges. The Israelites had God prove His literal existence for them, so they knew for a fact their Abrahamic God was real and they would listen to the Judge He would appoint (sometimes).
Suppose we were in a similar situation like that. Hypothetical; One day, a big booming voice comes out of the sky for everyone to hear, saying “I have decided that it would be best if so-and-so was king of everyone, so everyone listen to him now.” Then God shoots a bunch of fire out of the sky or something scary to make everyone believe that it was God.
Would you support this king? In this hypothetical, we would all have the free will to follow this king or not. As an anarchist, I think the only kind of government I could get behind is a theocracy, but only if the government was to be literally appointed by God Himself. So in this hypothetical I would follow the new king. Would you?

Can it be a fun God king ? I don't want a 40k emperor situation but maybe like we get a guy who turns into Hanuman or something. Oooo or a big squid. I like the idea of us having a big eldritch squid king!

I mean in all honesty if God is appointing kings now that is fine. I wonder if I could be a High priest or something? I would be pretty down for that tbh. Might try and force everyone to love one another and all that.

 

[an anarchist]

Really, do you not care about, or have empathy for, those that suffer? I have never needed fear of consequence or divine diktat to tell me that deliberately causing unnecessary suffering is immoral. Given the Abrahamic deity's penchant for delighting in such suffering, I find it's moral authority dubious even as a hypothetical.



Can you not use reason and empathy?

Suppose that not everyone has the capacity to be empathetic at normal levels. I perhaps fall into this category. That is not to say I cannot empathize at all or "use reason".
Causing suffering to others and the self comes in many ways. The fear of God helps keeps me from even thinking negative thoughts about people. Religion teaches me that these thoughts cause suffering in the material world.
Good for you that you don't need the fear of God to be moral. I am not blessed with such moral aptitude

 

[URAVIP2ME]

... you knew for a fact that God Himself appointed the King?Think back to the biblical book of Judges. The Israelites had God prove His literal existence for them, so they knew for a fact their Abrahamic God was real and they would listen to the Judge He would appoint (sometimes).
Suppose we were in a similar situation like that. Hypothetical; One day, a big booming voice comes out of the sky for everyone to hear, saying “I have decided that it would be best if so-and-so was king of everyone, so everyone listen to him now.” Then God shoots a bunch of fire out of the sky or something scary to make everyone believe that it was God. Would you support this king? In this hypothetical, we would all have the free will to follow this king or not. As an anarchist, I think the only kind of government I could get behind is a theocracy, but only if the government was to be literally appointed by God Himself. So in this hypothetical I would follow the new king. Would you?

Since Jesus is God's appointed King of God's Kingdom (Daniel 2:44) for a thousand years - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26 - and since God selected Jesus for that kingly position then God's Kingdom in the hands of Christ Jesus is a theocratic (God Ruled ) government.
Not the modern-day definition of theocracy meaning government by clergy or clergy class.
Rather, it is a heavenly Kingdom with 'heavenly Jerusalem' as the seat of government - Galatians 4:26.
This is the reason why we are invited to pray for God's kingdom to come.......
Come so that Jesus will bring ' healing ' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
Healing to the point that No one will say, " I am sick......" - Isaiah 33:24
Come so Earth and its people will be happy and healthy as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

............I mean in all honesty if God is appointing kings now that is fine. I wonder if I could be a High priest or something? I would be pretty down for that tbh. Might try and force everyone to love one another and all that.

Those who have a first or earlier resurrection to Heaven will govern with Christ as kings and priests.
- Revelation 5:9-10; Revelation 20:6
So, under Jesus as High Priest, they have two (2) heavenly jobs to perform:
* As kings they will take care of governmental responsibilities towards people living on Earth.
* As priests they will take care of spiritual duties towards people living on Earth.

No one will be 'forced to love one another and all that' because the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Suppose that not everyone has the capacity to be empathetic at normal levels. I perhaps fall into this category. That is not to say I cannot empathize at all or "use reason".Causing suffering to others and the self comes in many ways. The fear of God helps keeps me from even thinking negative thoughts about people. Religion teaches me that these thoughts cause suffering in the material world. Good for you that you don't need the fear of God to be moral. I am not blessed with such moral aptitude

Even an atheist can have morals but No atheist tells others about God's kingdom as Jesus said to do at Matthew 24:14
During Jesus' coming 1,000 year reign over Earth the cause for sin will be No more.
No more sin means everyone will have the capacity to be empathetic.
People will be happy and healthy as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.

 

[Polymath257]

Those who have a first or earlier resurrection to Heaven will govern with Christ as kings and priests.
- Revelation 5:9-10; Revelation 20:6
So, under Jesus as High Priest, they have two (2) heavenly jobs to perform:
* As kings they will take care of governmental responsibilities towards people living on Earth.
* As priests they will take care of spiritual duties towards people living on Earth.

No one will be 'forced to love one another and all that' because the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35

And how is that not an evil dictatorship that destroys all that disagree with the ruler?

 

[Suave]

... you knew for a fact that God Himself appointed the King?
Think back to the biblical book of Judges. The Israelites had God prove His literal existence for them, so they knew for a fact their Abrahamic God was real and they would listen to the Judge He would appoint (sometimes).
Suppose we were in a similar situation like that. Hypothetical; One day, a big booming voice comes out of the sky for everyone to hear, saying “I have decided that it would be best if so-and-so was king of everyone, so everyone listen to him now.” Then God shoots a bunch of fire out of the sky or something scary to make everyone believe that it was God.
Would you support this king? In this hypothetical, we would all have the free will to follow this king or not. As an anarchist, I think the only kind of government I could get behind is a theocracy, but only if the government was to be literally appointed by God Himself. So in this hypothetical I would follow the new king. Would you?

I would question why could not this God rule directly without the need of an intercessor. After all, if God's voice could be heard by most everybody, then why the need for the appointed King? I would suspect this seemingly omnipresent voice appointing a King to be some sort of extraterrestrial artificial intelligence deception in order to manipulate or control humanity

 

[rational experiences]

If I understood men of science invented machines and AI caused a big booming atmospheric transmitting voice. Only heard when humans brain burn as a Stephen Haw King warning.

To hear voice unnaturally.

Then of course you'd believe. It's how I learnt about my brother human the satanic machine scientist.

As my event was just an experimental cause if the atmosphere inherited it clouds would give up being clouds.

Just so he could by his claim invent clouds on the ground himself for machine sciences fixed held ground position.

As it's where the position first is in science of man getting his science possession of the gas.

So first you'd see clouds falling by forced science cause as he battles God by machine status.

As man was first Satan himself as a man in science.

Stephen Hawking an accurate scientists assessment of his own man human science self. With what natural biology he had left.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

... you knew for a fact that God Himself appointed the King?
Think back to the biblical book of Judges. The Israelites had God prove His literal existence for them, so they knew for a fact their Abrahamic God was real and they would listen to the Judge He would appoint (sometimes).
Suppose we were in a similar situation like that. Hypothetical; One day, a big booming voice comes out of the sky for everyone to hear, saying “I have decided that it would be best if so-and-so was king of everyone, so everyone listen to him now.” Then God shoots a bunch of fire out of the sky or something scary to make everyone believe that it was God.
Would you support this king? In this hypothetical, we would all have the free will to follow this king or not. As an anarchist, I think the only kind of government I could get behind is a theocracy, but only if the government was to be literally appointed by God Himself. So in this hypothetical I would follow the new king. Would you?

The real question to me is much simpler -- if God could do all that you've suggested, why the heck would he need to appoint somebody else, some "King," to tell us all what God wants us to do? Why not just do it Himself -- from the horse's mouth, as it were?

I have always found this whole idea to be ludicrous, and I still do.

 

[Psalm23]

... you knew for a fact that God Himself appointed the King?
Think back to the biblical book of Judges. The Israelites had God prove His literal existence for them, so they knew for a fact their Abrahamic God was real and they would listen to the Judge He would appoint (sometimes).
Suppose we were in a similar situation like that. Hypothetical; One day, a big booming voice comes out of the sky for everyone to hear, saying “I have decided that it would be best if so-and-so was king of everyone, so everyone listen to him now.” Then God shoots a bunch of fire out of the sky or something scary to make everyone believe that it was God.
Would you support this king? In this hypothetical, we would all have the free will to follow this king or not. As an anarchist, I think the only kind of government I could get behind is a theocracy, but only if the government was to be literally appointed by God Himself. So in this hypothetical I would follow the new king. Would you?

It depends. In any form of government, if a leader/ ruler tells me to do something that is wrong, I shouldn't listen and do the right thing instead. In general, I believe we should honor our leaders and people in government. Some leaders should be opposed. The power to do wicked things, such as in the Holocaust when millions of Jews were killed, does not come from only one person. This power to do this evil comes from many people supporting a sick agenda which is perpetuated through proproganda, discrimination and lies. If a leader is best for the country, he/ she will rule in righteousness.

 

[Psalm23]

I believe God wants leaders to rule with righteousness. He wouldn't ask us to follow a king in doing wrong.

 

[Psalm23]

The real question to me is much simpler -- if God could do all that you've suggested, why the heck would he need to appoint somebody else, some "King," to tell us all what God wants us to do? Why not just do it Himself -- from the horse's mouth, as it were?

I have always found this whole idea to be ludicrous, and I still do.

That would be the ideal situation in my opinion.

 

[firedragon]

... you knew for a fact that God Himself appointed the King?
Think back to the biblical book of Judges. The Israelites had God prove His literal existence for them, so they knew for a fact their Abrahamic God was real and they would listen to the Judge He would appoint (sometimes).
Suppose we were in a similar situation like that. Hypothetical; One day, a big booming voice comes out of the sky for everyone to hear, saying “I have decided that it would be best if so-and-so was king of everyone, so everyone listen to him now.” Then God shoots a bunch of fire out of the sky or something scary to make everyone believe that it was God.
Would you support this king? In this hypothetical, we would all have the free will to follow this king or not. As an anarchist, I think the only kind of government I could get behind is a theocracy, but only if the government was to be literally appointed by God Himself. So in this hypothetical I would follow the new king. Would you?

Anyone who says "no" to this is not following your hypothetical. Thats how things work.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

That would be the ideal situation in my opinion.

And I am fairly certain that, if it were to happen, you would not like it pretty quickly. There's nothing more boring than being a human without being able to make your own choices about just about everything. (Oh, except Heaven, that's got to be the most boring thing of all. I mean, do you even like harp music playing endless praise? And for ever and ever and ever? Spare me!)

 

[blü 2]

The real question to me is much simpler -- if God could do all that you've suggested, why the heck would he need to appoint somebody else, some "King," to tell us all what God wants us to do? Why not just do it Himself -- from the horse's mouth, as it were?

[He] doesn't understand people.

You can tell.

 

[Psalm23]

And I am fairly certain that, if it were to happen, you would not like it pretty quickly. There's nothing more boring than being a human without being able to make your own choices about just about everything. (Oh, except Heaven, that's got to be the most boring thing of all. I mean, do you even like harp music playing endless praise? And for ever and ever and ever? Spare me!)

Heaven sounds wonderful to me though I understand we have differences of opinions on this. I like the harp and all kinds of music. I like the idea of singing along praise to God among a great multitude. It feels like community in my opinion.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Anyone who says "no" to this is not following your hypothetical. Thats how things work.

Yeah, that must surely be it and not that we'd actually reject and oppose this king.

 

[firedragon]

Yeah, that must surely be it and not that we'd actually reject and oppose this king.

In the HYPOTHETICAL situation called for in the OP, you have to be a God believer and know that God has appointed a king.

In that hypothetical world you cannot reject a God given king.

 

[crossfire]

In the HYPOTHETICAL situation called for in the OP, you have to be a God believer and know that God has appointed a king.

In that hypothetical world you cannot reject a God given king.

Is a spirit that overcomes your mind so you have no choice (possession) a holy spirit?

 

[Psalm23]

I would question why could not this God rule directly without the need of an intercessor. After all, if God's voice could be heard by most everybody, then why the need for the appointed King? I would suspect this seemingly omnipresent voice appointing a King to be some sort of extraterrestrial artificial intelligence deception in order to manipulate or control humanity

Depending on the king, I may wonder a similar situation of deception going on.