Would you Vote for Trump?

[Revoltingest]

I couldn't bring myself to vote for him, ever. Too much hatred, too much xenophobia, and way too much ego. And what's worse is that the Republicans are choosing between him and Cruz.

At least Cruze makes Trump look good.....sort of.
I want Trump to court Bernie as VP.
It's win win.....
This ticket would have wide bi-partisan support.
Trump would have a restricted trade ally.
Bernie would have a shot at Prez if Trump assumes room temp.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

A casualty is a victim, especially the dead ones.

Okay so just to be clear, let's say some Salvadoran government troops ambush and kill some guerrillas, and in the process the guerrillas shoot back and some of the government troops are killed - then those killed are victims. And if those same government troops spray unarmed civilians (mostly women and children) who are trying to flee a battle with bullets, and kill a lot of them, those unarmed civilians are also victims. You don't think there's any difference? Would you really talk to a crowd of Salvadoran women as if there is no difference?

I don't care for unconventional tortured definitions of words to explain away such claims.

It's pretty much the standard meaning of the word 'victim' that the person injured hasn't simply suffered, they have suffered unjustly. It seems to me the only group of people everyone can agree have always fallen into that category are the non-combatants and that's a pretty straightforward use of plain English.

 

[Revoltingest]

....let's say some Salvadoran government troops ambush and kill some guerrillas, and in the process the guerrillas shoot back and some of the government troops are killed - then those killed are victims. And if those same government troops spray unarmed civilians (mostly women and children) who are trying to flee a battle with bullets, and kill a lot of them, those unarmed civilians are also victims. You don't think there's any difference? Would you really talk to a crowd of Salvadoran women as if there is no difference?

That's a pretty elaborate hypothetical.
What if those gov troops were coerced into serving, & did not want to take part?
Who are the sons, fathers & husbands who died in combat, thereby causing women to become the "primary victims"?
Were they the evil ones spraying bullets?
Or were they among the targets?

It's pretty much the standard meaning of the word 'victim' that the person injured hasn't simply suffered, they have suffered unjustly. It seems to me the only group of people everyone can agree have always fallen into that category are the non-combatants and that's a pretty straightforward use of plain English.

You're painting a very detailed picture you want to see, but it's not what I see.
Our agreement to disagree isn't working.

 

[ShivaFan]

Of course I would vote for him. In fact, I believe my State of California will secure the nomination for Trump 2016. In fact, I have been so busy doing my part in the “propaganda wars” with the Cruzbots, I have been so crazy busy with that in doing my part for Trump, it seems I almost have no time for anything else. As for what I have been doing, it is only my little contribution to his victory and I don’t mean to toot my own horn, but damn, damn am I good at it. The reason I enjoy to do so as well is, because of all the great associations I am having with those who I get to hang with as we all do our part from Trump. There is literally an out and out battle royal going on, as some may know but really a lot of foreigners have no idea the reality and nature of it. For example, right now Trump is being attacked for NOT being a hater of Transvestites like Jenner. This is the latest battle raging as of the last four days. One of many, many that have been fought over the last many weeks, but in each case Trump comes out triumphant because the fact of the matter is he has the majority of support among the VOTING Republican base (not the establishment Republican “leaders”, viz the “GOPe” - “e” stands for establishment). I haven’t seen a battle like this in decades, and actually not only does it give me a reason to make my enemies cry, it has me excited because our main issues are:
* The economy and jobs, and support for the workers of America
* Nationalism
* Stop the establishment’s (including Hillary) war on various “dictators” of which the “rebels” we end up supporting give us worse than Saddam
* Stop the hordes of illegal aliens from invading America
* Stop Islamic terrorism by calling it what it is and targeting ISIS instead of running around attacking various “Middle Eastern dictators” and assuming the “rebels” are good
* Stop the globalists and stuff like TPP
* We want to change the Republican Party, and find Cruz - who is running around praising voterless elections and double agent delegates – appalling

California is Trump country, I am doing my part. Better Trump than Hillary, that is for sure.

 

[Underhill]

At least Cruze makes Trump look good.....sort of.
I want Trump to court Bernie as VP.
It's win win.....
This ticket would have wide bi-partisan support.
Trump would have a restricted trade ally.
Bernie would have a shot at Prez if Trump assumes room temp.

That would be one hell of a ticket.

I never thought I would say this, but it may be the only example I can think of where a president would get more death threats than Obama.

 

[Underhill]

It's pretty much the standard meaning of the word 'victim' that the person injured hasn't simply suffered, they have suffered unjustly. It seems to me the only group of people everyone can agree have always fallen into that category are the non-combatants and that's a pretty straightforward use of plain English.

Of course you are right. I said almost the exact same thing. Revolt is just a stubborn and cranky codger.

It's why I like him. Reminds me of Sanford from Sanford and Son.

 

[Revoltingest]

That would be one hell of a ticket.
I never thought I would say this, but it may be the only example I can think of where a president would get more death threats than Obama.

Obama gets no real death threats.
Joe Biden as Prez?
Who would want that!

 

[Underhill]

Obama gets no real death threats.
Joe Biden as Prez?
Who would want that!

Compared to what we have on the ticket now? *raises hand

 

[Revoltingest]

Compared to what we have on the ticket now? *raises hand

Biden or Trump or Hillary?
Ew.
But I'd pick Trump.
Like Hillary, Biden was another who thought....
"Go to war with Iraq? Great idea......attack!"
(And the Dems laud him as a foreign policy 'expert'.)

 

[Altfish]

Biden or Trump or Hillary?
Ew.
But I'd pick Trump.
Like Hillary, Biden was another who thought....
"Go to war with Iraq? Great idea......attack!"
(And the Dems laud him as a foreign policy 'expert'.)

You'd never see the GOP going to war....err?

 

[Underhill]

Biden or Trump or Hillary?
Ew.
But I'd pick Trump.
Like Hillary, Biden was another who thought....
"Go to war with Iraq? Great idea......attack!"
(And the Dems laud him as a foreign policy 'expert'.)

And the difference is, Trump didn't have to take part in that decision. With all the hot air coming from his end of the room, I find it incredibly hard to believe a reactionary populist like Trump wouldn't have been leading the charge to send troops into Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia or Agrabah.

It's easy to claim you would do the right thing in hindsight. From what little evidence we have, I don't see the Donalds decision making ability as ranking higher than your average post turtle.

 

[Revoltingest]

You'd never see the GOP going to war....err?

Regardless of party affiliation, I'll vote against the hawkish candidates.
From this perspective, Trump looks safer.
But I know it's a gamble, since he has no record by which to judge.

 

[Revoltingest]

And the difference is, Trump didn't have to take part in that decision. With all the hot air coming from his end of the room, I find it incredibly hard to believe a reactionary populist like Trump wouldn't have been leading the charge to send troops into Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia or Agrabah.

I'm given a choice of politicians who voted to start & continue the war,
& a newbie politician who didn't.
Hillary is a sure thing regarding Iraq.
You can argue that Trump might've.
But he might not've.

My perspective.
I'm not a Democrat.
I don't look at Hillary, & think....
"How can I look at things to justify voting for her?"
I compare the candidates, & judge which is least worst.

 

[Underhill]

I'm given a choice of politicians who voted to start & continue the war,
& a newbie politician who didn't.
Hillary is a sure thing regarding Iraq.
You can argue that Trump might've.
But he might not've.

Sure I can. This is the same guy who wants to put up a wall to deal with illegals, most of whom didn't come into the country illegally.

He would invade Canada if the idea was popular.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sure I can. This is the same guy who wants to put up a wall to deal with illegals, most of whom didn't come into the country illegally.

A wall isn't a war.

He would invade Canada if the idea was popular.

That is one country which I favor invading.

 

[Underhill]

A wall isn't a war.

Give it time.

That is one country which I favor invading.

Canadian Bacon?!? Seriously? It's ham already!

Besides, everyone knows the best maple syrup comes from western NY...

 

[Revoltingest]

Give it time.

I actually favor an end to Obama's opening the borders to Illegals.
I don't oppose immigration, but it should be managed.

Canadian Bacon?!? Seriously? It's ham already!
Besides, everyone knows the best maple syrup comes from western NY...

On reason to conquer Canuckistan is to give them real bacon.
And the best maple syrup is made by neo-hippies, Klansmen, rednecks, & atheists right here in SE MIk.

 

[Underhill]

I actually favor an end to Obama's opening the borders to Illegals.
I don't oppose immigration, but it should be managed.

Opening the borders? Seriously? We've made more border arrest under Obama than under any other president.

He increased the number of border agents until Republicans forced an across the board spending cut that meant 60k less border agents. In fact, I recently read an anti Obama hatchet job article that listed 11 actions the Obama administration had taken to open our borders... most of the list was directly attributed to budget cuts. Who controls the budget? Congress. Which is controlled by the same party who is complaining about Obama opening our borders.

Imagine that. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

On reason to conquer Canuckistan is to give them real bacon.
And the best maple syrup is made by neo-hippies, Klansmen, rednecks, & atheists right here in SE MIk.

With talk like that we might end up in civil war...

 

[averageJOE]

I guess I'm in the "Never Trump" camp.

 

[Revoltingest]

Opening the borders? Seriously? We've made more border arrest under Obama than under any other president.
He increased the number of border agents until Republicans forced an across the board spending cut that meant 60k less border agents. In fact, I recently read an anti Obama hatchet job article that listed 11 actions the Obama administration had taken to open our borders... most of the list was directly attributed to budget cuts. Who controls the budget? Congress. Which is controlled by the same party who is complaining about Obama opening our borders.
Imagine that. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
With talk like that we might end up in civil war...

The number of agents isn't all that significant compared to results (which reflect what the agents actually do).
There are dueling right v left news reports about the extent of the problem....or if it even is a problem.
But I see much room for improvement.
Ref...
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...tics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/19/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
Remember that it shouldn't be about which party is worse.