Yay! It's All Me

[The Dreamer]

 

[dybmh]

Welcome back!... Nice to see you. Chasing your own tail, again? It's a bit sad, for me, to see people caught up in their own egos, do you disagree? On the other hand everyone's different. If this loop, literally the ZERO, is somehow inspiring to you and comforting, then there's no reason to break out of it. On the other hand, there's a whole world outside of it. Similar cyclic nature, but not feeding on itself. Have you ever considered onself in terms of spirals, or fractals? Even considering oneself in terms of a a simple pendulum can be a fun intellectual journey if one is open to it.

Have you ever been to an amusement park? Roller coasters? The Pirate Ship? How about the Ferris Wheel? You might really like that one if your inspired by circles. They're terrifying, but the view is outstanding if one can break out of their comfort zone.

 

[Jimmy]

Oh yeah, aren’t you the one who’s dreaming us all up?

 

[The Dreamer]

Welcome back!... Nice to see you. Chasing your own tail, again? It's a bit sad, for me, to see people caught up in their own egos, do you disagree? On the other hand everyone's different. If this loop, literally the ZERO, is somehow inspiring to you and comforting, then there's no reason to break out of it. On the other hand, there's a whole world outside of it. Similar cyclic nature, but not feeding on itself. Have you ever considered onself in terms of spirals, or fractals? Even considering oneself in terms of a a simple pendulum can be a fun intellectual journey if one is open to it.

Have you ever been to an amusement park? Roller coasters? The Pirate Ship? How about the Ferris Wheel? You might really like that one if your inspired by circles. They're terrifying, but the view is outstanding if one can break out of their comfort zone.

What I am talking about isn't just something I made up (actually I am making everything but for the sake of conversation...). This is ancient wisdom that inspired most (maybe all) of the religions but most of those religious beliefs were corrupted because they turned god into an external and alien being which is to be worshipped and begged. We have forgotten our divine nature. We are one consciousness and consciousness is god.

This world is an illusion (called Maya in Dharmic religions). There isn't an independent nature/reality out there, it is all part of the dream "the form is emptiness". Time and space is created within the consciousness.

The above symbol is part of that ancient wisdom. The head of the snake (ego) eats (perceives) it's tail (the world).

 

[SalixIncendium]

The above symbol is part of that ancient wisdom. The head of the snake (ego) eats (perceives) it's tail (the world).

Ouroboros

 

[SalixIncendium]

I am making everything but for the sake of conversation

Who is the "I" that is making everything?

 

[The Dreamer]

Who is the "I" that is making everything?

I know Dharmic religions claim that there is no self but I think there is a self that is creating the dream. This self is the consciousness. While it is creating the dream, it is apart from the dream. It is the source and one god.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I know Dharmic religions claim that there is no self but I think there is a self that is creating the dream. This self is the consciousness. While it is creating the dream, it is apart from the dream. It is the source and one god.

If it is apart from the dream, where is it in relation to the dream? In relation to your perceived body/mind complex?

 

[dybmh]

What I am talking about isn't just something I made up

Of course not. I never said you did.

This is ancient wisdom that inspired most (maybe all) of the religions but most of those religious beliefs were corrupted because they turned god into an external and alien being which is to be worshipped and begged.

Um, you just admitted to others existing outside of your mind. Have you stepped out of character for a moment. In role-playing, it's proper etiquette to declare an "SSOA" before one drops out of their role to prevent confusion.

Sudden Stop Of Action = "I'm dropping character for a moment or two so we can have a meta discussion outside of the 'game' "

We have forgotten our divine nature. We are one consciousness and consciousness is god.

That's your perspective, not mine. From my point of view, the majority understand, they simply do not express it in the form of:

"I'm a riddler, you cannot convince me that I exist, bwahahahaha."
"Therefore you cannot convince me that you exist. I'm smarter than you, and now your brain is melting, bwahahahaha" ​

This world is an illusion (called Maya in Dharmic religions). There isn't an independent nature/reality out there, it is all part of the dream "the form is emptiness". Time and space is created within the consciousness.

What I don't think you realize is that the history of this practice comes from India, where there is/was an extremely harsh caste system. These ideas and maybe even the role-play I am observing in your posts would have been treasured at that time and in that place by the royalty and could permit an individual to leap-frog out of their unfair and pitiful and arbitrary servitude and squalor.

Are you able to comprend the profound implications of this?

The above symbol is part of that ancient wisdom. The head of the snake (ego) eats (perceives) it's tail (the world).

I know all about it. In Judaism it is traced back to Adam HaRishon. The very first human. Here is how we describe it. Can you see the loop in the words? Naturally I like the version in Judaism better. It has more ... texture. And doesn't demonize any part of the process.

The head of the snake (ego) eats (perceives) it's tail (the world).

Hopefully you realize the duality of this metaphor you have produced? And have you considered what happens to the metaphor if either of the head or the tail are removed from the metaphor?

 

[SalixIncendium]

What I don't think you realize is the history of ths practice comes from India, where there is/was an extremely harsh caste system. Playing these little mind-games with royalty was treasured and could permit an individual to leap-frog out of their unfair and pitiful and arbitrary servitude and squalor.

Are you able to comprend the profound implications of this?

I am, as it happens to be my exact philosophy (which you are condescendingly calling "little mind-games") minus the "extremely harsh caste system."

Are you able to comprehend the profound implications of proselytizing?

 

[dybmh]

I am, as it happens to be my exact philosophy (which you are condescendingly calling "little mind-games") minus the "extremely harsh caste system."

Are you able to comprehend the profound implications of proselytizing?

I was not aware that your philosophy is the mind-game I described in my post.

 

[The Dreamer]

If it is apart from the dream, where is it in relation to the dream? In relation to your perceived body/mind complex?

Haha good question.

First I want to say that I haven't not been just repeating the stuff I read. I actually came close to enlightenment a couple of times. Especially one time a couple of months ago when I felt like I am everything or pure consciousness.

I am a student of the occult and what you asked is actually something I am struggling with these days.

The consciousness is somewhere behind my eyes. Where I am looking from, hearing from, feeling from. It is behind the dream. I am projecting the dream from there. I am also projecting my body from there which is a part of the dream. It is a single point, an immobile center that's outside of space. It is outside of space because the space is created within it by it.

Like I said I am struggling/confused about this but I am leaning more into practice and insight to overcome this confusion. I had moments of clarity about this but right now my answer to your question was more like a repetition of my occult readings.

 

[dybmh]

I am a student of the occult and what you asked is actually something I am struggling with these days.

I am seeing more and more of this occult blend lately....

 

[SalixIncendium]

I was not aware that your practice is the mind-game I described in my post.

Now you are. I'm glad I was able to help educate you.

If you would like to expand on that education, here's an Advaita Vedanta 101 read...

Advaita Vedanta - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But bear in mind it's a slight to call another's views a "mind-game."

 

[SalixIncendium]

Haha good question.

First I want to say that I haven't not been just repeating the stuff I read. I actually came close to enlightenment a couple of times. Especially one time a couple of months ago when I felt like I am everything or pure consciousness.

I am a student of the occult and what you asked is actually something I am struggling with these days.

The consciousness is somewhere behind my eyes. Where I am looking from, hearing from, feeling from. It is behind the dream. I am projecting the dream from there. I am also projecting my body from there which is a part of the dream. It is a single point, an immobile center that's outside of space. It is outside of space because the space is created within it by it.

Like I said I am struggling/confused about this but I am leaning more into practice and insight to overcome this confusion. I had moments of clarity about this but right now my answer to your question was more like a repetition of my occult readings.

I'm not sure if you have ever heard the term "mystical experience" or "oneness experience" but it's a phenomenon that has been visited on this forum on more than one occasion. A search on the forum's search function for either term (check the search titles only box first) should bring up some hits if you're interested in reading about them.

I'd also be more interested in hearing more about your experience if it's something you'd like to share.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I am seeing more and more of this occult blend lately....

"Occult" merely means "hidden" or "not readily understood." Mysticism is considered by many to be an occult practice. And there are Hindu mystics, Buddhist mystics, Christian mystics, Jewish mystics, and even atheist mystics. And this is by no means a complete list.

 

[Jimmy]

I believe there’s a man on earth who when he dies takes existence with him. Then he’s reborn along with existence. This happens between 1980-2080 in a never ending loop.

 

[The Dreamer]

Of course not. I never said you did.



Um, you just admitted to others existing outside of your mind. Have you stepped out of character for a moment. In role-playing, it's proper etiquette to declare an "SSOA" before one drops out of their role to prevent confusion.

Sudden Stop Of Action = "I'm dropping character for a moment or two so we can have a meta discussion outside of the 'game' "



That's your perspective, not mine. From my point of view, the majority understand, they simply do not express it in the form of:

"I'm a riddler, you cannot convince me that I exist, bwahahahaha."
"Therefore you cannot convince me that you exist. I'm smarter than you, and now your brain is melting, bwahahahaha" ​

What I don't think you realize is that the history of this practice comes from India, where there is/was an extremely harsh caste system. Playing these little mind-games with royalty was treasured and could permit an individual to leap-frog out of their unfair and pitiful and arbitrary servitude and squalor.

Are you able to comprend the profound implications of this?



I know all about it. In Judaism it is traced back to Adam HaRishon. The very first human. Here is how we describe it. Can you see the loop in the words? Naturally I like the version in Judaism better. It has more ... texture. And doesn't demonize any part of the process.

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Hopefully you realize the duality of this metaphor you have produced? And have you considered what happens to the metaphor if either of the head or the tail are removed from the metaphor?

I am not in an enlightened state now. Actually I decided to become active in religious forums to remember the enlightenment. My intention is to practice rememberance and avoid confusion by duality.

Dharma isn't just mind games, actually it is exactly the opposite which aims to overcome the confusion of the mind and the duality. And like I said in my previous post that I experienced brief periods of enlightenment and witnessed the truth of it. It is beyond the mind all the way to the source.

I don't understand how the above symbol demonizes the process.

The symbol is just about the falsehood of duality. Look closely there is only one being.

 

[dybmh]

Now you are. I'm glad I was able to help educate you.

If you would like to expand on that education, here's an Advaita Vedanta 101 read...

Advaita Vedanta - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But bear in mind it's a slight to call another's views a "mind-game."

I think I see where I miscommunicated. It has to do with the quoting and the sequence of my post. The "mind-game" was referring to the exageratted caricature that I described just above that. Not to anyone's actual philosophy The contrast was important, imo, to the point I was making. I was meeting one extremely biased universal unqualified statement "We have forgotten our divine nature. We are one consciousness and consciousness is god." with another which I felt was equally absurd.

And I was also using the word "practice" not philosophy, because it seemed to me that what the OP is doing is an occult practice, not a philosophy. This is indicated by the emojis I used. This has now been confirmed. It is a practice, coming from, as the OP stated being a "student of the occult".

I don''t think it is harsh or incorrect to consider that there probably were brahman "riddlers" in the past who did in deed play the sorts of games that the OP is playing. It wasn't intended to be directed at any group and I thought it was clear. But I can see how it can be read in different ways.

So I'm sorry for the slight. I was slighting an exaggeration, which I think fit's into the character of the thread where the title is:

"Yay! It's All Me"​

 

[dybmh]

"Occult" merely means "hidden" or "not readily understood." Mysticism is considered by many to be an occult practice. And there are Hindu mystics, Buddhist mystics, Christian mystics, Jewish mystics, and even atheist mystics. And this is by no means a complete list.

I think that the OP was referring to something outside of the context of your philosophy.