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Yellowstone Wolf Restoration - How Wolves Are Driving Down Mountain Lion Populations

Your opinion of wolf restoration

  • Just great

    Votes: 5 100.0%
  • Great, but keep it to Yellowstone and Idaho

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Terrible, get rid of them again

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Others, and people who voted, post away!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    5

jbg

Active Member
How Wolves Are Driving Down Mountain Lion Populations
This article is an interesting one. Back in 1968 I read an article partially about Yellowstone National Park in an issue focusing on national parks. Part of the article focused on elk and other ungulate overpopulation of Yellowstone. Hay was imported to feed them during the winters. This article suggested that the cause of overpopulation was the elimination of wolves and mountain lions during the early 1920's. The last known wolf was killed in 1926. Excerpt from above article:
Smithsonian Magazine said:
Elbroch suspects that the drastic drop was largely due to wolves affecting the cats’ access to prey, namely elk. In a wolf-less study site, elk herds resided in the comfort of the mountains; when the wolves moved in, the herds started congregating in large groups in the open grasslands to protect themselves from a pack attack. Since mountain lions stealthily stalk and ambush their prey under the cover of brush, they couldn't reach the elk in the grasslands, and starvation became a more common cause of death among the cats.
Somehow, miraculously, the stars aligned, and in January 1995 twin reintroductions of wolves, one into Yellowstone, the other into a National Wilderness area in Idaho succeeded. The benefits became apparent later, see We Were Wrong About Wolves, Here’s Why. Excerpt:
Defenders of Wildlife site said:
The changes in the park have been exciting and significant. Wolf reintroduction caused unanticipated change in Yellowstone. It rebalanced elk and deer populations, allowing the willows and aspen to return to the landscape. The end to overgrazing stabilized riverbanks and rivers recovered and flowed in new directions. Songbirds returned as did beavers, eagles, foxes and badgers. And, while the restoration of wolves in Yellowstone has cost about $30 million total, wolf ecotourism brings in $35 million annually.
Granted, the article is about the negative effects off wolf reintroduction on mountain lions. But remember, those were virtually nonexistent in Yellowstone and environs back in 1968. Without their natural competitors, the wolves, their population may have gotten a bit ahead of itself. But on balance, it's good to have "man's best friend's" cousin, the wolf, back.
Let's hope they have a wider homecoming, to the Adirondacks, northern New Hampshire and Maine, and other appropriate areas.
 

Rachel Rugelach

Shalom, y'all.
Staff member
I didn't cast a vote because I'm kind of ambivalent about what people do in attempts to correct past mistakes.

I'm not surprised that two different apex predator species would struggle for dominance within the same hunting area. It may be sad that the wolves are edging out the mountain lion population but, as one of the linked articles stated, the mountain lions weren't present in the area as much before the original wolf packs were wiped out by hunters. Nature then adapted to the absence of wolves as mountain lions filled in that gap. But now things are upended again due to human intervention once again, and the apex predators are fighting each out for survival.

Hopefully, nature will eventually strike a balance. Although humankind will probably do something once again to unbalance nature -- which seems to be currently happening in California and Colorado as more people build homes in areas inhabited by mountain lions. I understand that humans pushing into the mountain lions' territory is why we're seeing in the news so many reports of mountain lion attacks on humans in backyards, hot-tubs, while walking their dogs, etc. People tend to cause these problems, and then blame the wildlife, which is only doing what wildlife naturally does.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
Definitely a positive for humans to restore the balance they eroded in the name of progress where and how they can do it in the right ways.

Anyway, I'm okay with the wolves, it's bears I'd be worried about!
 

jbg

Active Member
Especially since staff introduced one on RF.

Anyway, I'd expect re-introduction of one
predator to adversely affect other predators.
The coyotes have been the most affected of apex predators by wolves.
Definitely a positive for humans to restore the balance they eroded in the name of progress where and how they can do it in the right ways.

Anyway, I'm okay with the wolves, it's bears I'd be worried about!
I actually scratched behind the ears of an animal that shares almost all of wolves' chromosomes today.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Wolves and cougars use entirely different hunting methods. Their diets may overlap, but they're not likely to be competing directly, hunting the same prey in the same place, the same way, at the same time.

There needs to be a predator-prey balance for healthy ecosystems. Some even support several competing predator species with nearly identical diets and hunting methods.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Im not American but voted Just great.
Wolves disappeared from France early last century but returned in the 80s/90s, There are now close to 1000 individuals. They are a protected species so it's illegal to hunt them although up to 24 a year may be culled to prevent over population.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
I actually scratched behind the ears of an animal that shares almost all of wolves' chromosomes today.

I actually locked eyes with an animal at the zoo that shares almost all of humans' chromosomes today. ;)
 

jbg

Active Member
A lawyer?
Is that a lawyer joke? I am one. This is a picture of some of the near-wolves I built up the courage to pet:

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Rachel Rugelach

Shalom, y'all.
Staff member
Is that a lawyer joke? I am one. This is a picture of some of the near-wolves I built up the courage to pet:

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Aww...! Lookit all the little lawyer wolves!

I've just got to give them cute little lawyer names!

"Ally" (Ally McBeal)
"Atticus" (Atticus Finch)
"Cocky" (Johnnie Cochran)
"Darrow" (Clarence Darrow)
"Marcia" (Marcia Clark)
"Matlock" (Ben Matlock)
"Perry" (Perry Mason)
"Saul" (Saul Goodman)
"Thurgood" (Thurgood Marshall)
"Vinny" (Vincent Gambini)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Aww...! Lookit all the little lawyer wolves!

I've just got to give them cute little lawyer names!

"Ally" (Ally McBeal)
"Atticus" (Atticus Finch)
"Cocky" (Johnnie Cochran)
"Darrow" (Clarence Darrow)
"Marcia" (Marcia Clark)
"Matlock" (Ben Matlock)
"Perry" (Perry Mason)
"Saul" (Saul Goodman)
"Thurgood" (Thurgood Marshall)
"Vinny" (Vincent Gambini)
Sadly to me that is a very deadly ensemble. I love dogs, my lungs not so much. I could pet them for a while if there was a place wash my hands immediately afterwards.
 
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jbg

Active Member
Wolves and cougars use entirely different hunting methods. Their diets may overlap, but they're not likely to be competing directly, hunting the same prey in the same place, the same way, at the same time.

There needs to be a predator-prey balance for healthy ecosystems. Some even support several competing predator species with nearly identical diets and hunting methods.
What happened according to the article I quoted in the OP was that wolves "relocated" the elk from the wooded areas, where cougars could hunt them from trees to the open plains, where they had greater safety in numbers, and where cougars have trouble hunting. Or maybe it's the other way around. But the elks are where the cougars aren't.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
How Wolves Are Driving Down Mountain Lion Populations
This article is an interesting one. Back in 1968 I read an article partially about Yellowstone National Park in an issue focusing on national parks. Part of the article focused on elk and other ungulate overpopulation of Yellowstone. Hay was imported to feed them during the winters. This article suggested that the cause of overpopulation was the elimination of wolves and mountain lions during the early 1920's. The last known wolf was killed in 1926. Excerpt from above article:

Somehow, miraculously, the stars aligned, and in January 1995 twin reintroductions of wolves, one into Yellowstone, the other into a National Wilderness area in Idaho succeeded. The benefits became apparent later, see We Were Wrong About Wolves, Here’s Why. Excerpt:

Granted, the article is about the negative effects off wolf reintroduction on mountain lions. But remember, those were virtually nonexistent in Yellowstone and environs back in 1968. Without their natural competitors, the wolves, their population may have gotten a bit ahead of itself. But on balance, it's good to have "man's best friend's" cousin, the wolf, back.
Let's hope they have a wider homecoming, to the Adirondacks, northern New Hampshire and Maine, and other appropriate areas.

How Wolves Saved the Foxes, Mice and Rivers of Yellowstone National Park


Wolf Reintroduction Changes Ecosystem in Yellowstone

Wolves are causing a trophic cascade of ecological change, including helping to increase beaver populations and bring back aspen, and vegetation.


How we were wrong about the wolf

 
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