You Better Believe Kamala Harris Is a “Real” American

[metis]

Kamala apparently is not bringing the party together. IMV

Alan Dershowitz announces he is leaving Democratic Party

Dershowitz, who has been a prominent Democrat for decades but has been critical of the party recently, said he was "disgusted" at the Democratic convention, and cited growing dissatisfaction with the party as the reason for the change.

justthenews.com

The leak continues

Actually, Dershowitz left the Dems a long time ago.

BTW, whaddya think of Dick Cheney saying he's now going to vote for Harris? No one ever called him a liberal, let me tell ya.

More and more Pubs see Trump for what he is, namely a self-centered demagogue who repeatedly takes most positions the polar opposite of what Jesus taught.

 

[Kenny]

Catching up. I was not using "mammon" literally but responding to your worldly post:


TDS is the slur that MAGA uses for people who see Trump for what he is. To me MAGA is subject to TDS because they ignore his mental issues, his care only for himself where he'll say anything to get votes because of his evident narcissism and so forth.

As for the process, Biden withdrawing meant that the typical process did not apply. And "Dean Phillips"? The people have in fact voted with the results of polls and the unprecedented level of campaign contributions. SCOTUS has decided that money is speech Harris campaign more than doubles Trump's August campaign donations

And from his actions when he was POTUS and what his friends (2025) plan to do along with what he's said, he's the polar opposite of what the Bible says about how people are to be treated.

To me, this statement from Evangelicals for Harris is clear and proceeds from and reflects who they are as Christians:

No political party or leader can ever hold our full devotion. That belongs to Jesus alone. As we approach this election, our hearts are drawn to a path that reflects His teachings. We're choosing the peace that comes from joy, the strength found in loving our neighbors, and the grace in showing compassion. This isn't just a vote; it's a reflection of our faith.​

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In this election, the choice is clear: Kamala Harris.​

I think your definition and mine don’t line up. I call TDS for those people who for the last 4 years just couldn’t stop talking about it in angry terms. No matter what the subject, they ended up talking about something that already happened. It would be like me ranting and raving about Hillary. Just doesn’t compute.

If you understand that as something else, it would be just a misinterpretation of what I am trying to convey.

 

[metis]

'Don't Recognize it': Former California Democratic Leader Switches to GOP

Gloria Romero, a former Democratic majority leader in the state Senate, announced that she has switched her party affiliation to the GOP and will vote for Donald Trump.

timesofsandiego.com

And the hole in the Democratic party continues to leak. It has gone so far left that those who once understood its purpose “for the people”, now realize that it no longer does.

A recent poll shows Latino support is shifting increasing more back with the Dems and a support for Harris. After all, she doesn't make charges like Trump said that most coming here are lawbreakers. Here Are All the Times Donald Trump Insulted Mexico

 

[Kenny]

A recent poll shows Latino support is shifting increasing more back with the Dems and a support for Harris. After all, she doesn't make charges like Trump said that most coming here are lawbreakers. Here Are All the Times Donald Trump Insulted Mexico

I think we will know the truth after the elections:

US election: why Latino and Hispanic voters are shifting to Trump after a long history of supporting the Democrats

Hispanic and Latino voters have tended to vote Democrat in previous US presidential elections.

theconversation.com

 

[Copernicus]

'Don't Recognize it': Former California Democratic Leader Switches to GOP

Gloria Romero, a former Democratic majority leader in the state Senate, announced that she has switched her party affiliation to the GOP and will vote for Donald Trump.

timesofsandiego.com

And the hole in the Democratic party continues to leak. It has gone so far left that those who once understood its purpose “for the people”, now realize that it no longer does.

This is just a conservative Democrat who has taken Republican positions for a very long time, including support for privatization of public schools over a decade ago and supporting Republican Larry Elder to replace Gavin Newsom in the failed recall bid in 2021. Her shift to the Republican Party is no more a surprise than Dershowitz finally admitting that he is a Republican. Dick Cheney voting for Kamala Harris is much bigger news, because the Cheneys are not leaving the Republican Party. They are rock solid conservative Republicans who consider Donald Trump an existential threat to American democracy and the rule of law.

 

[Pogo]

This is just a conservative Democrat who has taken Republican positions for a very long time, including support for privatization of public schools over a decade ago and supporting Republican Larry Elder to replace Gavin Newsom in the failed recall bid in 2021. Her shift to the Republican Party is no more a surprise than Dershowitz finally admitting that he is a Republican. Dick Cheney voting for Kamala Harris is much bigger news, because the Cheneys are not leaving the Republican Party. They are rock solid conservative Republicans who consider Donald Trump an existential threat to American democracy and the rule of law.

And she is not a true Latina, only an ignorant wannabe.
Sorry, I was amazed at her logic.

 

[Kenny]

This is just a conservative Democrat who has taken Republican positions for a very long time, including support for privatization of public schools over a decade ago and supporting Republican Larry Elder to replace Gavin Newsom in the failed recall bid in 2021. Her shift to the Republican Party is no more a surprise than Dershowitz finally admitting that he is a Republican. Dick Cheney voting for Kamala Harris is much bigger news, because the Cheneys are not leaving the Republican Party. They are rock solid conservative Republicans who consider Donald Trump an existential threat to American democracy and the rule of law.

That’s probably because he saw them drifting too far from a Democratic Republic. It isn’t like it just started in the last 3 years. It has changed a lot since the days of Pres. Kennedy. That being said, the Republican party has changed too. Change is the only sure thing.

 

[sun rise]

Kamala apparently is not bringing the party together. IMV

Alan Dershowitz announces he is leaving Democratic Party

Dershowitz, who has been a prominent Democrat for decades but has been critical of the party recently, said he was "disgusted" at the Democratic convention, and cited growing dissatisfaction with the party as the reason for the change.

justthenews.com

The leak continues

I see you ignore people who move the other way.

 

[Pogo]

I see you ignore people who move the other way.

A man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest.

I think from that guy singing about Kodachrome right now.

 

[sun rise]

I think your definition and mine don’t line up. I call TDS for those people who for the last 4 years just couldn’t stop talking about it in angry terms. No matter what the subject, they ended up talking about something that already happened. It would be like me ranting and raving about Hillary. Just doesn’t compute.

If you understand that as something else, it would be just a misinterpretation of what I am trying to convey.

Trump is the one still angry at Hillary, Biden, his lawyers, judges, "RINOs" and many others. Some are angry, true, but some of us just wish he'd go away and play golf rather than trying to take America into the arms of the forces of darkness as he and those around him want. And it's not really Trump - his narcissism and dementia make him just a tool for the forces that want to use him as a figurehead to promote darkness, despair, misery and suffering.

This election is not about policy. Republicans who are voting for Harris including some really far right ones politically are not doing it because they expect President Harris to adopt their policy but are doing so to preserve America so we can debate policy and promote the promises that this country was founded on.

 

[Kenny]

I see you ignore people who move the other way.

Not really. There is always movement… but it is the quality of the movement that I am talking about.

When Sen Joe Manchin goes from Democrat to Independent, we are talking about a major impact and leakage.

As he said, "“To stay true to myself and remain committed to put country before party, I have decided to register as an independent with no party affiliation and continue to fight for America’s sensible majority,”

It is the cry of all people… country before party.

Sen. Joe Manchin leaves the Democratic Party and registers as an independent

Manchin's decision, after years of bucking party leadership, could allow him to run for governor or try for another Senate term this fall after ruling out doing so as a Democrat.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Pogo]

Not really. There is always movement… but it is the quality of the movement that I am talking about.

When Sen Joe Manchin goes from Democrat to Independent, we are talking about a major impact and leakage.

As he said, "“To stay true to myself and remain committed to put country before party, I have decided to register as an independent with no party affiliation and continue to fight for America’s sensible majority,”

It is the cry of all people… country before party

Sen. Joe Manchin leaves the Democratic Party and registers as an independent

Manchin's decision, after years of bucking party leadership, could allow him to run for governor or try for another Senate term this fall after ruling out doing so as a Democrat.

www.nbcnews.com

Here is a concept that might be useful to you in understanding where you fit in society,

Overton window - Wikipedia

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[sun rise]

Not really. There is always movement… but it is the quality of the movement that I am talking about.

When Sen Joe Manchin goes from Democrat to Independent, we are talking about a major impact and leakage.

As he said, "“To stay true to myself and remain committed to put country before party, I have decided to register as an independent with no party affiliation and continue to fight for America’s sensible majority,”

It is the cry of all people… country before party.

Sen. Joe Manchin leaves the Democratic Party and registers as an independent

Manchin's decision, after years of bucking party leadership, could allow him to run for governor or try for another Senate term this fall after ruling out doing so as a Democrat.

www.nbcnews.com

Manchin endorsed Harris.

(atheists might want to skip this

Country before party? That's what I've been trying to say.

We're getting into repetition here. But one note: like Evangelicals for Harris, my frame of reference comes from my understanding of the times.

We saw an intense battle of darkness vs light in WWII. We saw another in the Cold War from which we were saved by the action of one man. Now we're seeing another round of darkness vs light.

I see the hand of darkness in guns are more important than lives, denying women needed drugs to save their lives (misoprostol), promoting fear, hatred and anger, taking the position of those on the wrong side of the Bible's "least of these" warning, cozying up to autocrats, promoting unquestioning hero worship of a convicted criminal with dementia, denigrating women who chose not to have children, promoting policies that make the rich richer and the poor poorer, putting children in cages because their parents tried to enter the US, punishing children because their parents brought them to the US illegally, tearing down our constitutional government by promising to put people in power who ignore our ideals and laws and more. I see the same struggle going on in the Russia-Ukraine war, and in other places around the world.

This has nothing to do with which party someone is a member of or what specific policies they advocate. It has everything to do with choosing light over darkness, love over fear/rage, joy over despair, working toward the promise of the future vs trying to go backwards.

This election is about choosing to work on "Novus Ordo Seclorum" (new order of the ages) not going backwards.

 

[Kenny]

Manchin endorsed Harris.

(atheists might want to skip this

Country before party? That's what I've been trying to say.

We're getting into repetition here. But one note: like Evangelicals for Harris, my frame of reference comes from my understanding of the times.

We saw an intense battle of darkness vs light in WWII. We saw another in the Cold War from which we were saved by the action of one man. Now we're seeing another round of darkness vs light.

I see the hand of darkness in guns are more important than lives, denying women needed drugs to save their lives (misoprostol), promoting fear, hatred and anger, taking the position of those on the wrong side of the Bible's "least of these" warning, cozying up to autocrats, promoting unquestioning hero worship of a convicted criminal with dementia, denigrating women who chose not to have children, promoting policies that make the rich richer and the poor poorer, putting children in cages because their parents tried to enter the US, punishing children because their parents brought them to the US illegally, tearing down our constitutional government by promising to put people in power who ignore our ideals and laws and more. I see the same struggle going on in the Russia-Ukraine war, and in other places around the world.

This has nothing to do with which party someone is a member of or what specific policies they advocate. It has everything to do with choosing light over darkness, love over fear/rage, joy over despair, working toward the promise of the future vs trying to go backwards.

This election is about choosing to work on "Novus Ordo Seclorum" (new order of the ages) not going backwards.

I know that the lenses we use to see things can differ person to person. We have areas in which we agree (like country before party) - and things we don’t agree on and yet we can work side by side together.

I think this is what makes America great.

 

[metis]

I think we will know the truth after the elections:

US election: why Latino and Hispanic voters are shifting to Trump after a long history of supporting the Democrats

Hispanic and Latino voters have tended to vote Democrat in previous US presidential elections.

theconversation.com

That's fine but I've seen two more surveys on this over the weekend and it shows them 2:1 for Harris. Why would the vote for a man who separated children from their parents whereas there are over 1000 who have still not been reunited. Why would they vote for a man who shows no compassion whatsoever for families fleeing the serious problems facing so many in the Northern Triangle Countries and Venezuela? Why would they vote for a man who is so utterly racist? Why would they vote for a man who has 0 Judeo-Christian/humanitarian morals and is well known as a conman even by his own family?

 

[sun rise]

A lot of the headlines about polls show changes in the margin for error which the sensationalist media trumpets are being meaningful. And as well, tomorrow's debate should be big.

Of course MAGA will *know* that the military is woke and untrustworthy but for those that do know, these are voices worth to which we should pay heed

Ten Former Top US Military Officials Back Harris, Call Trump 'A Danger'​

And as well, those who actually served in his administration are saying the same thing.

 

[Kenny]

That's fine but I've seen two more surveys on this over the weekend and it shows them 2:1 for Harris. Why would the vote for a man who separated children from their parents whereas there are over 1000 who have still not been reunited. Why would they vote for a man who shows no compassion whatsoever for families fleeing the serious problems facing so many in the Northern Triangle Countries and Venezuela? Why would they vote for a man who is so utterly racist? Why would they vote for a man who has 0 Judeo-Christian/humanitarian morals and is well known as a conman even by his own family?

I can’t say why would people vote for a certain person...

What I do know is that the “surveys” said that Hillary was going to win and she didn’t. Surveys can be created in such a way to get the desired answer you want = I have taken many.

That’s why I like seeing hard data like “who won” or who is leaving a party and for what reason. Those are hard evidences.

 

[sun rise]

I can’t say why would people vote for a certain person...

What I do know is that the “surveys” said that Hillary was going to win and she didn’t. Surveys can be created in such a way to get the desired answer you want = I have taken many.

That’s why I like seeing hard data like “who won” or who is leaving a party and for what reason. Those are hard evidences.

There are those who have studied poll bias by comparing the pre-election polls to the outcome 538 used to do that quite well. And last time people were embarrassed to say they were voting for Trump and consequently lied more than expected.

But even if accurate, people can change their minds. If Trump self-destructs at the debate tomorrow and the right wing fanatics in the House shut down the government, the polling will shift accordingly.

But as far as why people vote the way they do, it's not an obscure mystery. That has been studied and there are endless high quality web sites discussing this. This time I note over 200 Republicans, some pro-life and quite conservative, have said why. People that worked for Trump have said why.''

As for me, I have said that I utterly will vote against those who promise to set up a "demon altar" if they win. Sri Aurobindo's poem has these stanzas showing he knew quite well that some "a demon altar choose". I clearly see the fear, hatred, corruption, sin, attacking the least, disparagement of our institutions and more constitute that "demon altar" in 2024.

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For man's mind is the dupe of his animal self;
    Hoping its lusts to win,
He harbours within him a grisly Elf
    Enamoured of sorrow and sin.​

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The grey Elf shudders from heaven's flame
    And from all things glad and pure;
Only by pleasure and passion and pain
    His drama can endure.​

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The Truth of truths men fear and deny,
    The Light of lights they refuse;
To ignorant gods they lift their cry
    Or a demon altar choose.​

 

[Kenny]

There are those who have studied poll bias by comparing the pre-election polls to the outcome 538 used to do that quite well. And last time people were embarrassed to say they were voting for Trump and consequently lied more than expected.

But even if accurate, people can change their minds. If Trump self-destructs at the debate tomorrow and the right wing fanatics in the House shut down the government, the polling will shift accordingly.

But as far as why people vote the way they do, it's not an obscure mystery. That has been studied and there are endless high quality web sites discussing this. This time I note over 200 Republicans, some pro-life and quite conservative, have said why. People that worked for Trump have said why.''

As for me, I have said that I utterly will vote against those who promise to set up a "demon altar" if they win. Sri Aurobindo's poem has these stanzas showing he knew quite well that some "a demon altar choose". I clearly see the fear, hatred, corruption, sin, attacking the least, disparagement of our institutions and more constitute that "demon altar" in 2024.

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For man's mind is the dupe of his animal self;​

    Hoping its lusts to win,​

He harbours within him a grisly Elf​

    Enamoured of sorrow and sin.​

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The grey Elf shudders from heaven's flame​

    And from all things glad and pure;​

Only by pleasure and passion and pain​

    His drama can endure.​

...​

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The Truth of truths men fear and deny,​

    The Light of lights they refuse;​

To ignorant gods they lift their cry​

    Or a demon altar choose.​

I still think it can be manipulated and on top of that there is a reason for “margin for error”. Maybe because to protect their position?:

Psalms 75:7
New Living Translation
It is God alone who judges; he decides who will rise and who will fall.

Jer 17:10
New Living Translation
But I, the LORD, search all hearts and examine secret motives. I give all people their due rewards, according to what their actions deserve.”

Prov 21:1
NLT
The king’s heart is like a stream of water directed by the Lord; he guides it wherever he pleases.

I don’t let these things raise my blood pressure and the Prince of Peace has given me a peace that passeth all understanding.

 

[sun rise]

I still think it can be manipulated and on top of that there is a reason for “margin for error”. Maybe because to protect their position?:

Margin for error is a mathematical concept. This simply is how sure we are that we have good results. The simple way of expressing this is the more people you ask in a poll, the better the odds that you have a good result. This picture illustrates that point:

And there are groups that analyze polls over time to find those that are more accurate and transparent about methods such as What are the best pollsters in America?

So I don't have that distrust that pollsters are trying to "protect their position" except those who Democrats and Republicans or special interest groups pay to conduct polls, of course.