You Better Believe Kamala Harris Is a “Real” American

[sun rise]

I also want to note that the article is also honest about the problems. For example:

Some topics still prove difficult for polling​

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While accuracy is solid on most outcomes, this research also consistently finds that polls overrepresent people who are active in their communities or are active politically. For example, in the current analysis, about three-quarters of adults polled (77%) said they voted in the 2020 general election, while the actual rate was just two-thirds (66%).​

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I take surveys for fun. They now include questions to test if I'm paying attention or just answering randomly as well as some repetition of questions. And of course if a serious number of people just lie the results won't be accurate.

 

[metis]

I can’t say why would people vote for a certain person...

What I do know is that the “surveys” said that Hillary was going to win and she didn’t. Surveys can be created in such a way to get the desired answer you want = I have taken many.

That’s why I like seeing hard data like “who won” or who is leaving a party and for what reason. Those are hard evidences.

Polls are only a snapshot in time, plus there's always plenty of room for error.

BTW, i noticed you didn't respond to the last part of my post, which is this:
Why would the vote for a man who separated children from their parents whereas there are over 1000 who have still not been reunited. Why would they vote for a man who shows no compassion whatsoever for families fleeing the serious problems facing so many in the Northern Triangle Countries and Venezuela? Why would they vote for a man who is so utterly racist? Why would they vote for a man who has 0 Judeo-Christian/humanitarian morals and is well known as a conman even by his own family?

Polls are a dime a dozen, but a person's mindset is another matter.

 

[Kathryn]

Hey my ancestors have been here since the 1640s and I feel pretty damn American.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Hey my ancestors have been here since the 1640s and I feel pretty damn American.

All of them, parents, grandparents and so on all back to the 1640s?!! That is impremissive.

 

[metis]

Some of my ancestors on both sides of my family likely came here somewhere around 20-30.000 years ago.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Some of my ancestors on both sides of my family likely came here somewhere around 20-30.000 years ago.

Well, I can't do that as there have only been people here since the last around 13.000 years.

 

[Kathryn]

All of them, parents, grandparents and so on all back to the 1640s?!! That is impremissive.

Some of them came from Scotland and northern England, and Germany, in the 1730s.

 

[metis]

Well, I can't do that as there have only been people here since the last around 13.000 years.

Oops, you're right. So much for my supposedly good memory? Hey, I was only off about 10,000 years!

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Oops, you're right. So much for my supposedly good memory?

Well, I was talking about Denmark, but I think the number is the same for the Americas. It is related to the end of the Ice Age if I recall right.

 

[Kenny]

Margin for error is a mathematical concept. This simply is how sure we are that we have good results. The simple way of expressing this is the more people you ask in a poll, the better the odds that you have a good result. This picture illustrates that point:

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And there are groups that analyze polls over time to find those that are more accurate and transparent about methods such as What are the best pollsters in America?

So I don't have that distrust that pollsters are trying to "protect their position" except those who Democrats and Republicans or special interest groups pay to conduct polls, of course.

Someone is generally paying for it. And how you ask something can change how you answer it.

Polls this week will be different from next week. To early to rely on any polls. People are fickle.

 

[metis]

Well, I was talking about Denmark, but I think the number is the same for the Americas. It is related to the end of the Ice Age if I recall right.

Ya, I checked it out and it was around 14,000 years bp here.

The irony is that I taught anthropology for 30 years but still managed to screw up. Woe is me!

 

[Kenny]

Polls are only a snapshot in time, plus there's always plenty of room for error.

Exactly, as well as who is doing the poll can affect it too. Just like we posted… one poll “Hispanics are for Kamala” and the next “Hispanics trending towards Trump” - (paraphrased).

BTW, i noticed you didn't respond to the last part of my post, which is this:

I sorta did. I can’t explain why people vote for a certain person

Why would the vote for a man who separated children from their parents whereas there are over 1000 who have still not been reunited.

You mean like Obama did? And placed children in cages? Did Obama Administration Build Cages That House Immigrant Children?

don’t know why people voted for him.

Why would they vote for a man who shows no compassion whatsoever for families fleeing the serious problems facing so many in the Northern Triangle Countries and Venezuela?

Depends on who you speak to or who is reporting. For those against Trump - correct. For those who voted for Trump? “He is only against illegal immigration - he has all the compassion as people obey the laws for immigration.

(And the debate will go on depending on who is reporting and what people’s position is on their viewpoints.)

Why would they vote for a man who is so utterly racist?

Depends on who you speak to or who is reporting. For those against Trump - correct. For those who voted for Trump? There are dozens of people with more melanin who say he isn’t and has done more for those of more melanin that the Dems who have promised for decades and done notheint.

(And the debate will go on depending on who is reporting and what people’s position is on their viewpoints.)

Why would they vote for a man who has 0 Judeo-Christian/humanitarian morals and is well known as a conman even by his own family

That would eliminate just about every person running for president - remember Clinton? Sometimes people just choose for other reasons such as what a party platform stands for. Many would point out Trump's history and others will point out Kamala’s faults.

But we all have to vote our conscience.

So I love those who vote for Dems, I love those who vote Greem. I love those who vote between party lines or no party lines… I tend to try to not throw stones since I have a past.

 

[metis]

You mean like Obama did? And placed children in cages? Did Obama Administration Build Cages That House Immigrant Children?

don’t know why people voted for him.

First of all, read this: Fact check: Obama administration approved, built temporary holding enclosures at southern border

Note he did not put them in cages but had them built just in case. The Biden administration did continue to use the cages for a while but did keep track of which child went with which parent(s) and worked on reuniting them.

For those against Trump - correct. For those who voted for Trump? “He is only against illegal immigration - he has all the compassion as people obey the laws for immigration.

I see 0 compassion for the thousands of people so desperate as to leave their home for the sake of asylum. Under both international and our national law, we have the obligation to try and sort them out. I also believe we have a moral obligation as Jesus taught.

Depends on who you speak to or who is reporting. For those against Trump - correct. For those who voted for Trump? There are dozens of people with more melanin who say he isn’t and has done more for those of more melanin that the Dems who have promised for decades and done notheint.

You avoided the point with the above, so are you willing to correct it or not? Maybe read this from an apolitical source: Racial views of Donald Trump - Wikipedia

That would eliminate just about every person running for president - remember Clinton?

I felt that Clinton should have resigned, and I did hold his actions and dishonesty against him.

But we all have to vote our conscience.

Yes, but an "informed conscience" imo. However, I have the strong impression that you mainly or only watch "news" channels like Fox [and/or their website] and/or Newsmax, etc.

So I love those who vote for Dems, I love those who vote Greem. I love those who vote between party lines or no party lines… I tend to try to not throw stones since I have a past.

I am an independent, and I have crossed party lines many times. However, as we've seen with Cheney's, Kinsinger, Will, etc, they realize that Trump is not a conservative and is dishonest and cannot be trusted to keep our republic a representative democracy. He spews hate constantly, but Jesus taught love, so I guess you'll have to deal with which one you support because you can't support both.

To me, you are at this point compromising your faith, so I hope and pray you consider not supporting or voting for Trump, although I am, NOT asking you to vote for Harris or anyone else.

 

[Kenny]

First of all, read this: Fact check: Obama administration approved, built temporary holding enclosures at southern border

Note he did not put them in cages but had them built just in case. The Biden administration did continue to use the cages for a while but did keep track of which child went with which parent(s) and worked on reuniting them.

Again, Metis, it just goes back and forth with people arguing with how you deal with the fruit of illegal immigration without dealing with the root.

I don’t want to make this an argument rather than painting the picture.

I see 0 compassion for the thousands of people so desperate as to leave their home for the sake of asylum. Under both international and our national law, we have the obligation to try and sort them out. I also believe we have a moral obligation as Jesus taught.

Does moral obligation translate into open borders? no. Does immigration need to be addressed? Absolutely. Are there more than one answer? yes.

You avoided the point with the above, so are you willing to correct it or not? Maybe read this from an apolitical source: Racial views of Donald Trump - Wikipedia

I did address it. So… racist Donald Trump puts Dr. Ben Carson in his administration because he is racist and Dr. Ben accepted it because he is an uncle Tom. As we now learned, Oprah Winfrey loved him at one point… because he was racist? More blacks are voting for him because he is racist? He did more for Black Prison reform than any democrat because he is racist?

Wiki isn’t a good source.

I felt that Clinton should have resigned, and I did hold his actions and dishonesty against him.

My point is… yet people voted for him. The issue of the whole dialogue is “Why do people vote for people who have moral issues”.

Yes, but an "informed conscience" imo. However, I have the strong impression that you mainly or only watch "news" channels like Fox [and/or their website] and/or Newsmax, etc.

that’s a judgment call. I quote from a multiplicity of outlets and check information from a multiplicity of outlets. Generally speaking, I don’t like “Fox” anymore - they gaslight.

I am an independent, and I have crossed party lines many times. However, as we've seen with Cheney's, Kinsinger, Will, etc, they realize that Trump is not a conservative and is dishonest and cannot be trusted to keep our republic a representative democracy. He spews hate constantly, but Jesus taught love, so I guess you'll have to deal with which one you support because you can't support both.

I don’t believe Trump is a conservative either. I mentioned also that I believe that the Republican Party will eventually be more centrist as Democrats continue to change their party affiliation because “The Democratic Party has left me”.

I am an independent. I decided to “join a party” to influence the primaries because in Florida, independents can’t vote in primaries. I have also crossed lines (though not often because of my moral stance).

To me, you are at this point compromising your faith, so I hope and pray you consider not supporting or voting for Trump, although I am, NOT asking you to vote for Harris or anyone else.

That also is a judgment call but appreciate the loving concern. (I know it is born out of love)

 

[Kathryn]

don’t know why people voted for him.

Because he was called black, which is racist to me. That pesky one drop rule and all that.

 

[metis]

Does moral obligation translate into open borders? no. Does immigration need to be addressed? Absolutely. Are there more than one answer? yes.

I never have been for open borders, nor did I state nor imply that we should supposedly have them.

So… racist Donald Trump puts Dr. Ben Carson in his administration because he is racist and Dr. Ben accepted it because he is an uncle Tom. As we now learned, Oprah Winfrey loved him at one point… because he was racist? More blacks are voting for him because he is racist? He did more for Black Prison reform than any democrat because he is racist?

People make their own choices, plus Trump has long had a reputation for pandering to get votes, like pretty much all politicians. But did you actually read what it says? I have heard him say racist and sexist things many times.

Wiki isn’t a good source.

I had a feeling you would post this-- unfortunately. At the bottom of each page on Wiki, it has links that you could have looked up to confirm accuracy or dubiousness, and in many cases, it actually quotes Trump.

My point is… yet people voted for him. The issue of the whole dialogue is “Why do people vote for people who have moral issues”.

That a legitimate question, which is which is why I have at times voted 3rd party as a protest vote or just not voted in some categories.

That also is a judgment call but appreciate the loving concern. (I know it is born out of love)

Thank you, and this is why I have responded as I have, not knowing if you would maybe tell me to "Take a long walk off a short pier!".

Take care, my friend.

 

[Kenny]

I never have been for open borders, nor did I state nor imply that we should supposedly have them.

So sorry, Metis. In now way was I trying to say you wanted open borders. I’m just saying that the current expression to the problem is “open the borders for everyone who wants to cross the borders”.

People make their own choices, plus Trump has long had a reputation for pandering to get votes, like pretty much all politicians.

Exactly!

But did you actually read what it says? I have heard him say racist and sexist things many times.

I have heard it all. Sometimes I wish he would engage his brain before he opens his mouth… But I think when I view the whole picture, it isn’t racism… it’s his mouth.

I had a feeling you would post this-- unfortunately. At the bottom of each page on Wiki, it has links that you could have looked up to confirm accuracy or dubiousness, and in many cases, it actually quotes Trump.

I read the info… some truth and some gaslighting IMO

That a legitimate question, which is which is why I have at times voted 3rd party as a protest vote or just not voted in some categories.

And I congratulate you on that.

Thank you, and this is why I have responded as I have, not knowing if you would maybe tell me to "Take a long walk off a short pier!".

LOL… OH NOOOOO! Maybe a short walk perpendicular to the contour of Hoover Dam maybe, but NEVER a long walk on a short pier!

Take care, my friend.

Thank you Metis. I do appreciate you. I know that sometimes the “old vampire man” in me can pop up - I have to continue to shoot it with a silver bullet to get him back into the grave at times.

 

[Copernicus]

Because he was called black, which is racist to me. That pesky one drop rule and all that.

The idea that people voted for Obama just because he was black is equivalent to saying that people voted for McCain because he was white. The race of a candidate does affect the way some people vote, but let's not forget that there are far more white people than black people. Shirley Chisholm was black, and that didn't help her. When Obama ran, there were plenty of racist memes floating around that tried to use his race to drive voters away. Trump has questioned Kamala Harris's racial identity as a black candidate in a similar effort to appeal to racist voters. Barack Obama's race was not the reason people voted for him any more than John McCain's was. The same was true when Obama ran against Romney in 2012.

 

[metis]

I have heard it all. Sometimes I wish he would engage his brain before he opens his mouth… But I think when I view the whole picture, it isn’t racism… it’s his mouth.

It's clearly both.

Thank you Metis. I do appreciate you. I know that sometimes the “old vampire man” in me can pop up - I have to continue to shoot it with a silver bullet to get him back into the grave at times.

Well, thank God my wife is from Italy as I eat lotsa garlic to the point that even Dracula would flee!

 

[Wandering Monk]

I'm sad because from my perspective you've chosen mammon

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

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