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You shall not boil a kid in its mother's ?????

dybmh

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Secret Chief said:
which are?
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it's a rather deep discussion... I would need convincing that you would value what I'm saying and that you would have an open mind and not immediately reject it based on your personal beliefs, specifically regarding consumption of animal flesh.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Secret Chief said:
It comes from a time before the invention of a central nervous system. Stress and fear are known to be present in all slaughterhouses, however the killing is to take place. Treat yourself to some secret camera videos on youtube.
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I'll pass. I applied for a Tyson once, interviewed, got called back, and the sounds I heard alone were too much and I couldn't take the job.
 
Secret Chief

Secret Chief

Veteran Member
dybmh said:
it's a rather deep discussion... I would need convincing that you would value what I'm saying and that you would have an open mind and not immediately reject it based on your personal beliefs, specifically regarding consumption of animal flesh.
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Well I was only wondering. I can "accept" religious reasons, but not the nonsense that gets trotted out on occasion (eg lions eat meat so why shouldn't humans, it's needed for good health etc). Obviously I'm not about to become a meat eater!
 
Spice

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
Secret Chief said:
What's a Tyson?
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The rival company of Perdue, the company that produces the large yellow skinned chickens. There's a processing plant near me. They have a position of employment known as biddy beak clipper. I wouldn't be able to work there either.
 
Secret Chief

Secret Chief

Veteran Member
Ehav4Ever said:
Okay. So you have an angle. Everyone on the planet has an angle. Now what?
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Yes I have my angle and you have yours. But you went beyond that and made a claim that something was "admirable from all angles." It isn't. So now just speak from your angle and don't claim it to be all-encompassing.
 
Ehav4Ever

Ehav4Ever

Well-Known Member
Secret Chief said:
Yes I have my angle and you have yours. But you went beyond that and made a claim that something was "admirable from all angles." It isn't. So now just speak from your angle and don't claim it to be all-encompassing.
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Actually, what I wrote was:

"It is a part of the natural world and what a person does to reduce their environmental harm is admirable in all angles."
 
dybmh

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Secret Chief said:
Well I was only wondering. I can "accept" religious reasons, but not the nonsense that gets trotted out on occasion (eg lions eat meat so why shouldn't humans, it's needed for good health etc). Obviously I'm not about to become a meat eater!
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Well. OK. I can only do my best to explain it. I'm not a Rabbi. I'm an amateur, but what I lack in formal education is compensated by enthusiastic study and religious practice.

The Torah teaches that in the beginning the human species was not permitted to eat meat. However, as time went on, it became apparent that certain people at certain times would need to eat meat. Contrary to the opinion of many, The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is benevolent, merciful. Because of this, humans were granted permission to eat the flesh from animals, if, big if, it is done in a very specific manner. Most animals are off limits. Those that are need to be slaughtered in a very specific manner. Not all of their flesh is permitted. Their blood is sacred. They must be raised in a specific manner.

The Torah also teaches that, strangely, Abraham, the founder of Jewish monotheism, practiced the mosaic law ( the law given at sinai ) before the law was given. How did he do that? The answer that many give is "He was a prophet, duh". I'm kidding, but seriously. Most people don't consider this vital detail in depth. The story of Abraham is the story of an individual who looked at the natural world and pondered its mysteries. Gazing up at the stars in ancient Mesopotamia would be breath taking, mesmerizing, intoxicating. Watching the moon on its nightly cycle among the luminaries? I just got chills. A person could do some seriously big thinking. Big. Bigger. Keep going! To the heavens of the heavens of the heavens... ( 1 kings 8:27 ) It was under these conditions, that we are taught Abraham rediscovered a profound unity unlike any other in any possible world. It is a unity without any division.

The intellectual process for proving to oneself that such a unity exists absolutely requires examining the different sorts of division that exist. These are the counter examples. And so, Abraham very likely had a keen insight into contrast, which is a specific sort of pairing. Each side of the pair is its own individual, but the two together, as a pair, describe a unique relationship. They're two and united... with division. They are opposed to each other... BUT! They are not in conflict, necessarily. They might be in harmony.

The relationship might be in conflict, or they might be in harmony, Like I said, this is a very deep discussion. Are you with me so far?

Cutting to the chase. ~deep-breath~

The prohibition is against boiling a kid, a baby lamb, in its mother's milk. Does that sound right to you? I don't need to be Jewish to recognize, something's wrong with this.
 
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Eddi

Eddi

Christianity
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dybmh said:
The prohibition is against boiling a kid, a baby lamb, in it's mother's milk. Does that sound right to you? I don't need to be Jewish to recognize, something's wrong with this.
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What about boiling a lamb in the milk of a sheep that is not its mother? Why is that prohibited?
 
Secret Chief

Secret Chief

Veteran Member
dybmh said:
Well. OK. I can only do my best to explain it. I'm not a Rabbi. I'm an amateur, but what I lack in formal education is compensated by enthusiastic study and religious practice.

The Torah teaches that in the beginning the human species was not permitted to eat meat. However, as time went on, it became apparent that certain people at certain times would need to eat meat. Contrary to the opinion of many, The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is benevolent, merciful. Because of this, humans were granted permission to eat the flesh from animals, if, big if, it is done in a very specific manner. Most animals are off limits. Those that are need to be slaughtered in a very specific manner. Not all of their flesh is permitted. Their blood is sacred. They must be raised in a specific manner.

The Torah also teaches that, strangely, Abraham, the founder of Jewish monotheism, practiced the mosaic law ( the law given at sinai ) before the law was given. How did he do that? The answer that many give is "He was a prophet, duh". I'm kidding, but seriously. Most people don't consider this vital detail in depth. The story of Abraham is the story of an individual who looked at the natural world and pondered its mysteries. Gazing up at the stars in ancient Mesopotamia would be breath taking, mesmerizing, intoxicating. Watching the moon on its nightly cycle among the luminaries? I just got chills. A person could do some seriously big thinking. Big. Bigger. Keep going! To the heavens of the heavens of the heavens... ( 1 kings 8:27 ) It was under these conditions, that we are taught Abraham rediscovered a profound unity unlike any other in any possible world. It is a unity without any division.

The intellectual process for proving to oneself that such a unity exists absolutely requires examining the different sorts of division that exist. These are the counter examples. And so, Abraham very likely had a keen insight into contrast, which is a specific sort of pairing. Each side of the pair is its own individual, but the two together, as a pair, describe a unique relationship. They're two and united... with division. They are opposed to each other... BUT! They are not in conflict, necessarily. They might be in harmony.

The relationship might be in conflict, or they might be in harmony, Like I said, this is a very deep discussion. Are you with me so far?

Cutting to the chase. ~deep-breath~

The prohibition is against boiling a kid, a baby lamb, in its mother's milk. Does that sound right to you? I don't need to be Jewish to recognize, something's wrong with this.
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I am and thank you for making the effort. (And obviously - seeing as you ask - boiling a lamb like that sounds not good to me). Unity without division is a concept within Buddhism too - the ultimate reality rather than the mundane (non-dual cf dual).
 
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Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Spice said:
The rival company of Perdue, the company that produces the large yellow skinned chickens. There's a processing plant near me. They have a position of employment known as biddy beak clipper. I wouldn't be able to work there either.
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This facility was pigs. Hearing them in the trailers like I did still makes me feel uneasy.
 
Spice

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
Shadow Wolf said:
This facility was pigs. Hearing them in the trailers like I did still makes me feel uneasy.
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I'm a volunteer teacher of English to a group of well educated (in agricultural sciences) Mexicans that are in the US working on industrialized hog farms for Smithfield Foods. Many, if not most, are veterinarians so I suppose that helps in accepting those conditions. Even so, they speak of Mondays as being tough days. That's the day they load for shipping. But, overall they don't speak much about their work. I'm sure I couldn't do what they do and this is just breeding farms. The processing plants are a whole different kind of story.
 
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