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Your Best 10 Minute Case for Your Religion

Skwim

Veteran Member
Getting aboard a bus you sit yourself next to a person who informs you (s)he is in a quandary as to which religion (s)he should adopt, and asks for your advice. Believe it or not, (s)he knows nothing of your religion. Taking up the challenge you have 10 minutes to make a case for it.

What do you say? (If you like, put it in dialog format.)

Please identify your religion or lack thereof at the outset, such as:

Eckankar
........... ...... . .................., .............. ............. ......... . ............ ..... ....., .............. .............
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Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Communism (with a dash of atheistic LHP).

People say that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". But that's not actually true. Power reveals who we really are. It brings us face to face without our self-delusion and hypocrisy. It is easy to criticise Communists for what they did, but they weren't monsters. they were human like you and me. they were all children once. there isn't some big thick line where good ends and evil begins which we can safely stay on one side of. We may all pretend to be nice people, but if you had power and zero accountability, isn't there a part of you that would enjoy violating all the taboos, wanting money, sex, power and fame, giving up control to another out of a desire to feel safe, taking revenge on people, forcing others to love us or punishing the innocent and the weak to feel like we matter? Is that a reflection not of some fixed human nature that is incapable of achieving our ideals, its born in sin and inevitably corrupt, or of our own moral impoverishment by fear and vulnerability?

Take a step back and be honest with yourself. With self-knowledge of our own capacity for darkness, we have a choice as to what we do with it. we can run from ourselves but we can't hide. We are the same person all the time regardless as to whether people are watching. If we were cruel and brutal because we think we can get away with it, it means that we really don't value ourselves or our own ideas enough to admit we are living a lie. we measure what is good purely in terms of obedience and conformity rather than self-worth. we value appearances and good intentions over our consequences. our one chance to be alive and we are selling out because we are too afraid to be honest with ourselves. we are told that we cannot be loved for who we are, but only who we are supposed to be. Is that what you really want?

Death is inevitable. we may get some degree of choice over the details, but ultimately death itself is a question of when, not if. So much of our lives are dominated by little petty things that we won't even remember or care about in ten years time. We should really question what we value and why,. did we decide to be like this or were we made this way? how does our day to day lives measure up against our own ultimate fate?

Heroism is born out of the tragedy of knowing that we are equal before the grave; when we have conquered our fear of death there is nothing left to hold us back. when we are gone, what do we want to leave behind? that even though people will not remember us, that eventually we will be no more than a whisper on ageing pages of some dusty record kept in storage would we not want to know that the world is better for our being here? Shouldn't we have consequences for being here and want to know that they are the ones we really want to have? what would you risk to be the best person you could be? to matter for being here and alive?

each of us can achieve greatness, but only if we are honest about our short-comings and are willing to reach further than we have done before. we will fail. we will make mistakes. we will be humiliated and despised because we dared to live in defiance of those moral cripples who have surrendered themselves to their own vulnerability and fear. we do not have to live lives of quiet frustration believing that we are born corrupt and that our humanity is a prison from which we cannot escape. we can be noble, we can be right and we can do good, but only if we chose to. the future is ours; stop running away from it and make it one you actually want.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Post-Christianity

I'm not a very wordy person, so I doubt this will take up ten minutes. However, I don't recommend you choose "my" religion because "I" don't have a religion. On the other hand, everyone has a religion. Just as I speak English but I speak it with my own accent and dialect, divinity is reality but religion is just the language used to describe how we feel about it.

Never listen to an authority figure, especially a human one, for your beliefs. They are only useful to brainstorm ideas, but cannot be trusted to have an accurate picture of reality. Even someone like Phoenix, who can sense entire galaxies, couldn't grasp the entire multiverse (until later, I guess, though I'm unclear about how being a White Phoenix changes things all that much). The only way to be assured of "Absolute Truth" would be to sense and accurately process EVERYTHING. Good luck with that. Not even God as portrayed in the bible can pull that off. Sure, it CLAIMS He can, but if you look at the actual evidence, nothing in His character betrays such epic proportions.

I sum up my means of expressing my understanding of divine reality as 1) The Golden Rule and 2) Judge the tree by its fruit. It's not enough to think you are helping. You have to VERIFY you are helping, and the scientific method can help with that. Promote compassion and when punishing, do so in a way to focus on rehabilitation first and if that's not possible, protecting the rest of society (remember, you have to VERIFY the person being punished is actually guilty of causing harm, not just someone you don't like or go "ew" over) must be the "Option B".

Also, decide how strongly you believe in morality. Many "moral" people will drop their morals in a heartbeat if they think a deity told them to. Many of them will not stand up for their beliefs in front of God or whatever because what they REALLY value is a sense of self-importance and will confuse worship with bootlicking/brown-nosing. If God is too much of a snowflake to have an adult conversation with you, He isn't worth talking to.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Getting aboard a bus you sit yourself next to a person who informs you (s)he is in a quandary as to which religion (s)he should adopt, and asks for your advice. Believe it or not, (s)he knows nothing of your religion. Taking up the challenge you have 10 minutes to make a case for it.

"As a secular humanist, I believe that you have the right to choose any religion you want, even if it is totally opposed to secular humanism. Good luck on your journey!" :D

(I'm generally not a fan of preaching, in any case.)
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'd just say religion isn't all its cracked up to be, and then get on my phone and see what's happening on RF.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
My advice would not involve making a case for my religions. It would involve asking them questions and listening to what the other person says. Finding one's true religion (or religions - there are often multiple paths that can flow within one's life journey) is a process that involves asking oneself a lot of questions. It's a bonus to have someone point in a few directions that your questions lead, but not particularly necessary.

As part of that process, though, I do sometimes end up recommending to any seeker to check out their local Unitarian Universalist fellowship. The reason for that is it's the one organized religion that is set up in a way that facilitates the seeking process. Unitarian Universalism draws inspiration from a myriad of religious traditions, and allows fellows to find their own path within its framework. It's usually a solid place to start - fellowships will tend to have adult RE programs, plus a lending library that more than likely has a better collection than one's typical public library.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Getting aboard a bus you sit yourself next to a person who informs you (s)he is in a quandary as to which religion (s)he should adopt, and asks for your advice. Believe it or not, (s)he knows nothing of your religion. Taking up the challenge you have 10 minutes to make a case for it.

What do you say? (If you like, put it in dialog format.)

Please identify your religion or lack thereof at the outset, such as:

Eckankar
........... ...... . .................., .............. ............. ......... . ............ ..... ....., .............. .............
.... ....... ............... .

.
You mean explaining what the religion is (Hinduism) or making a case for believing it rather than any other? I may be interested in the first but absolutely not in the last.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So basically, you're all being very reasonable and restrained whilst I'm the raving nut job at the back of the bus screaming you're all going to die and there's nothing you can do about it?

This bus journey sucks. why did I have to sit next to the emotionally well adjusted? its so boring.

I want off. :bus:
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
You mean explaining what the religion is (Hinduism) or making a case for believing it rather than any other? I may be interested in the first but absolutely not in the last.
Make a case for adopting your religion.

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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Buddhism.

But I don't think there is a point in making a case. I would attempt to ask him or her why there is a need for adhering to a religion, instead, and see where it takes us.

If it comes to some form of willingness to connect with "God", I would probably attempt to leave.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
This bus journey sucks. why did I have to sit next to the emotionally well adjusted? its so boring.

It's also a clever ruse to lull you into a sense of complacency. Just you wait until we turn on rant mode!

Satire notwithstanding, I really can't quite bring myself to "make a case" for others adopting the religions I identify with. It's not my place to. It's not anyone's place to, really, but it is really not my place to. It seems the only paths that really care about doing that are those that allege their way will "save" you or something, or that their way is the "one true way." None of the paths I ally with have such an attitude, and I find the paths that do to be very... peculiar.

But hey, for fun, I can totally write up a satire for this thread. It would be amusing.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It's also a clever ruse to lull you into a sense of complacency. Just you wait until we turn on rant mode!

Satire notwithstanding, I really can't quite bring myself to "make a case" for others adopting the religions I identify with. It's not my place to. It's not anyone's place to, really, but it is really not my place to. It seems the only paths that really care about doing that are those that allege their way will "save" you or something, or that their way is the "one true way." None of the paths I ally with have such an attitude, and I find the paths that do to be very... peculiar.

But hey, for fun, I can totally write up a satire for this thread. It would be amusing.

yeah, I know what you mean. most of what I said was about the "why" of having certain beliefs and how they may be satisfying or fulfilling. I wouldn't say that any one particular belief can monopolise that ability as its all about th underlying psychology of beliefs, but I suspect there may be certain shared characteristics which enable a person to thrive with a belief system based on a healthy sense of self-worth and self-respect. my own beliefs have been a very indirect way of achieving that and maybe other people would do better with other beliefs so I couldn't say its the "only" way just "a" way I found useful.

But sure, go ahead. I'd certainly enjoy to see what you would say just for fun :D
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Advaita

But I wouldn't use the strange word. I would say I don't think your religious faith is all that important. What is important is the quality of your heart and mind, and experiencing peace, love and contentment with all things. I would also refer to evidence that we are indeed more than just physical atoms and have non-physical elements that survive this life (paranormal evidence). I might go on to say there is only One source of Consciousness from the experiences of those that have gone the deepest in exploring their consciousness; call it God/Brahman or whatever word.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Like Judaism? Can't be bothered? Become a Noahide!
I'd have a hard time believing a naked drunk who curses grandchildren is a good role model. :)

So basically, you're all being very reasonable and restrained whilst I'm the raving nut job at the back of the bus screaming you're all going to die and there's nothing you can do about it?
A great driver can do lots of swerves and tricks and stuff to freak people out for the lulz without hurting them. I'd do it, if you wanted, LOL.
 

jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member
I'm an Atheist Materialist. It's not a religion and I don't care if you think about things the way that I do.

That being said, anything real, and therefore worthy of consideration, reflection, and time can be supported with data and will stand up to scrutiny when tested. If you can't show me substantial data to support a stated conclusion, and if your conclusions can't stand up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny, then I consider it "make believe" and generally a waste of my time. I suggest others do the same, in many facets of their lives - but there's certainly no requirement to do so.
 
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