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Your faith in suffering...

ELoWolfe

Member
My life has been good. I come from a rather large family, with three younger brothers and two older half-sisters. Their mother died from cancer. My mother left when I was about 20 or so. My father, 83, has had trouble (two heart attacks, a collapsed lung) but is still alive, alert, and going strong. My grandparents died when I was real young, so I don't remember them passing. I grew up gay, but never faced persecution. I married the man of my dreams and couldn't be happier. Of all things that could happen, everything is good. We were robbed, once, sure. But everything was replaceable and no one was hurt.

But this year has not been good. My oldest sister, Melody, is dying. She had a hysterectomy earlier this year and found out she had uterine and ovarian cancer. Stage 4. We knew she had a slim chance, but she had a chance. Yet she never got better. She had one performance of chemo, but we found out Friday that her cancer mutated and chemo would do nothing. We expected a month or so. Now? Days. In four days, her prognosis has gotten that much worst.

My sister is only 51. She is a virgin, never smoked, and never done drugs. She has never driven a car. She helped raise me and my three brothers, and later my nephew. When her aunt died, she used her money to buy a house for her and my family. In 9th grade, she was forced to leave and she still let us stay in the house even though she couldn't. She has agoraphobia, yet still donated to save horses and, most recently, has been volunteering for a Basset Hound organization as a donations coordinator. She has her problems, of course, but all in all, she was a good woman.

She doesn't deserve this. She is the last person to deserve this.

As I contemplated if Gnosticism is right or not, this has solidified my view. I accepted, in the past, that "God is with the suffering" during horrible events like genocide, because I allowed myself to believe God could not commit those acts (despite doing so in the Old Testament). I rationalized that the suffering that occurred was because of human action, not Gods. I ignored the question of divine intervention, and kept this loving, yet immovable, God.

But this is different. This is a woman who is suffering not from another human's action, nor had she committed a sin heinous enough to warrant what she is going through. This is a good woman who is suffering from a terrible condition created by a creator. If we accept that there is another energy, a divinity, then the good and loving one we know would not, or could not, create such a terrible and disgusting condition. Only a cruel and vengeful god could allow such a thing.

God may be with her, suffering, but it is not the creator. It is not the one who created this condition and has allowed it to continue to exist. The cure to Cancer will not come from a divine source, from the source which created it, but instead from the caring and devoted light found within humanity. I have told so few of this, but the love and care I have received from this did not come from a miracle of the creator, but from other human beings. Again, because of the light we have within us.

I can't walk into another apostolic Church again for worship. I can't affirm their creeds and nod at their beliefs. Their belief is wrong. Their reasoning is weak. The creator may work in mysterious ways, but they're not good ways.

While she does not seem to have gnosis now, I pray her eyes may be opened so the Heavenly Father can receive her. It is only a matter of days.
 

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
It is heartbreaking to read this, but please understand that none of it is God's doing. It was not God who chose this path for man....He had a completely different path for them....one with no sickness or death or suffering of any kind. One without even a knowledge of evil.

It was man who chose independence from God and he is at present reaping what he has sown.

If God were to intervene in the lives of humans to counter the consequences of their own actions, then the lesson would be completely lost. God is allowing us to see for ourselves what relying on our independence results in. Humans using their free will to the detriment of others always results in harm, but humans still place their faith in those who never keep their promises.

In the Bible, God has promised to re-establish his rulership when man has exhausted all avenues of self rule.
In doing so, he has purposed to reverse everything. The earth will be cleansed of all wickedness when Jesus comes as judge. All causes of suffering will be removed and even the ones we have lost in death will be returned to life. (Rev 21:2-5)

Having a limited view of God and his purpose results in people turning away from him, blaming him for the current situation, but Christendom is to blame for the ignorance. God always keeps his promises.

It should also be obvious that God does not operate in earth's timeframe. Since the first rebel was an angelic creature, who hijacked the human race and held them to ransom, the issues raised have to be settled in universal time. (2 Pet 3:8)

The ransom was paid almost 2,000 years ago, so we are just waiting now to be released from the trouble and tragedy of this life.
What Adam lost, Christ came to buy back for us.

God's promises will come true and the ones who could not be turned away from God by the devil's propaganda will be rewarded with an eternity in paradise....a return to the life God purposed for man in the first place.
The short lifetime of suffering in this world will be nothing compared to the eternity of happiness to come.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
I'm sorry to hear about your imminent loss. Our prayers might neither be heard nor answered by a higher power. Perhaps, nobody's faith in God is rewarded. However, it seems to me that your sister and you have been fortunate enough to have known each other for so many years of your lives. The important thing here is that you are with your sister in the final days of her life, so that she's not alone as she passes away. I think you can take comfort in knowing that your sister will soon be in a better place, whether it be at rest in eternal peace or in Heaven where perhaps you will be reunited with your beloved sister.
 
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frangipani

Member
Premium Member
Dear Elowolfe, I am sorry to read of your sisters plight. I read your post and understand what you are saying. The Ineffable Spirit, the true God and father of Christ knows His own, from what I read, your sister has a beautiful spirit and has bonded with her spirit and allowed it to guide her soul and this has been manifest in her life through her deeds. in James it reads, 'shew me your faith without works and I will shew you my faith by my works'. You sister may have the Knowledge of the Spirit of Christ because of her works which come from the Spirit but not actually realise it while she is imprisoned in the body. Religion is to blame for this, not Truth. Her cancer is the work of the demiurge because the body she inhabits is his and he does not care for his creation. I have a friend with cancer who also is terminal, he says cancer does not discriminate but strikes randomly because it comes from the demiurge's creation. I believe that when a true spiritual soul leaves the body and the demiurges grasp the Ineffable Spirit will welcomes them home with Christ and the few truly faithful. From what you have written I think she will find salvation and your sister is in my prayers. Be strong and believe.
 

nazz

Doubting Thomas
My life has been good. I come from a rather large family, with three younger brothers and two older half-sisters. Their mother died from cancer. My mother left when I was about 20 or so. My father, 83, has had trouble (two heart attacks, a collapsed lung) but is still alive, alert, and going strong. My grandparents died when I was real young, so I don't remember them passing. I grew up gay, but never faced persecution. I married the man of my dreams and couldn't be happier. Of all things that could happen, everything is good. We were robbed, once, sure. But everything was replaceable and no one was hurt.

But this year has not been good. My oldest sister, Melody, is dying. She had a hysterectomy earlier this year and found out she had uterine and ovarian cancer. Stage 4. We knew she had a slim chance, but she had a chance. Yet she never got better. She had one performance of chemo, but we found out Friday that her cancer mutated and chemo would do nothing. We expected a month or so. Now? Days. In four days, her prognosis has gotten that much worst.

My sister is only 51. She is a virgin, never smoked, and never done drugs. She has never driven a car. She helped raise me and my three brothers, and later my nephew. When her aunt died, she used her money to buy a house for her and my family. In 9th grade, she was forced to leave and she still let us stay in the house even though she couldn't. She has agoraphobia, yet still donated to save horses and, most recently, has been volunteering for a Basset Hound organization as a donations coordinator. She has her problems, of course, but all in all, she was a good woman.

She doesn't deserve this. She is the last person to deserve this.

As I contemplated if Gnosticism is right or not, this has solidified my view. I accepted, in the past, that "God is with the suffering" during horrible events like genocide, because I allowed myself to believe God could not commit those acts (despite doing so in the Old Testament). I rationalized that the suffering that occurred was because of human action, not Gods. I ignored the question of divine intervention, and kept this loving, yet immovable, God.

But this is different. This is a woman who is suffering not from another human's action, nor had she committed a sin heinous enough to warrant what she is going through. This is a good woman who is suffering from a terrible condition created by a creator. If we accept that there is another energy, a divinity, then the good and loving one we know would not, or could not, create such a terrible and disgusting condition. Only a cruel and vengeful god could allow such a thing.

God may be with her, suffering, but it is not the creator. It is not the one who created this condition and has allowed it to continue to exist. The cure to Cancer will not come from a divine source, from the source which created it, but instead from the caring and devoted light found within humanity. I have told so few of this, but the love and care I have received from this did not come from a miracle of the creator, but from other human beings. Again, because of the light we have within us.

I can't walk into another apostolic Church again for worship. I can't affirm their creeds and nod at their beliefs. Their belief is wrong. Their reasoning is weak. The creator may work in mysterious ways, but they're not good ways.

While she does not seem to have gnosis now, I pray her eyes may be opened so the Heavenly Father can receive her. It is only a matter of days.
I am so terribly sorry to hear this, EloWolfe. May the Father be with you and comfort you and your sister in this very trying time. May her passing be with the least pain possible and I pray you are given the strength to bear such loss. Know, also, that I, your brother, am with you as well in spirit and love.
 
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