Your opinions on the U.S. border wall

[youknowme]

Also does anyone have a link to this National Border Patrol Council survey? I am not interested in a "news" source to tell me what I should think about it, I want to see the actual survey and it is a bit odd that I can't find a ready link to it.

 

[Curious George]

I think it will make them a better target when or if they climb to the top?

He said that it was factually untrue that a wall would not decrease the amount of people who want to come tp the U.S. illegally.

I am failing to see how that statement is accurate.

 

[Cooky]

This thread was a lie from the start; you set it to seem as if you wanted to get's other people's views, but really you just wanted to promote the wall.

Whatever...
It was a question, and then I wanted people to explain their reasoning... ME INCLUDED!

If you can't handle that, it's not my problem or anyone elses but your own. Take a hike.

 

[Curious George]

Coming from someone who clearly seems to want to chip immigrants against their will, I'm not sure I'm interested in playing. Sorry.

But yes, the NBPC suggests a more encompassing wall would be effective.

I didn't say chip immigrants, just illegal ones. I thought we were talking about effective ways to address illegal immigration. Why is that not a solution to consider?

 

[Revoltingest]

This thread was a lie from the start; you set it to seem as if you wanted to get's other people's views, but really you just wanted to promote the wall.

Accusations of lying are generally bad form.
There's no basis to presume the worst, &
make it so negative & personal.
You don't want to be one of those posters.

 

[Shad]

The reduction referred to 'attempted' crossings not those caught at crossing.

Okay.

 

[youknowme]

Whatever...
It was a question, and then I wanted people to explain their reasoning... ME INCLUDED!

If you can't handle that, it's not my problem or anyone elses but your own. Take a hike.

Where is the link to the actual survey?

 

[PureX]

Of course it will. Border patrol already seizes millions of pounds of drugs at the border every year. Statistics - Drug seizures

With a wall, that number can only increase.

With a wall, that number would decrease, because presumably the attempts at breaching it would diminish. But none of this would stop the inflow of drugs, because they come by ship, by plane, by train, by trucks, through tunnels, and by methods we don't even know about. And a lot of it doesn't come in at all, as it's manufactured right here. So the wall is not going to change the availability of illegal drugs one little bit. Not the crime that they create.

 

[Salvador]

Their reference link is to themselves, where is the actual survey?

NBPC's website does clearly express support for an effective border security barrier. ....

OP/ED by NBPC President Brandon Judd: Trump’s wall is the best way to end the humanitarian crisis on our southern border

https://bpunion.org/featured/op-ed-...e-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border/

 

[Cooky]

With a wall, that number would decrease, because presumably the attempts at breaching it would diminish. But none of this would stop the inflow of drugs, because they come by ship, by plane, by train, by trucks, through tunnels, and by methods we don't even know about. And a lot of it doesn't come in at all, as it's manufactured right here. So the wall is not going to change the availability of illegal drugs one little bit. Not the crime that they create.

In your opinion, is it even worth the effort at all to try and prevent illegal drugs from entering the United States? Or are you complacent with what we have in effect right now and just leaving it at that?

...Clearly you are against further efforts from what I can tell.

 

[youknowme]

NBPC's website does clearly express support for an effective border security barrier. ....

OP/ED by NBPC President Brandon Judd: Trump’s wall is the best way to end the humanitarian crisis on our southern border

https://bpunion.org/featured/op-ed-...e-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border/

I can't help but noticed this is not the actual survey I am looking for; are you unable to find this survey as well?

 

[metis]

If Americans didn't buy illegal drugs there wouldn't be illegal drugs being brought in. The problem is us, not them.

 

[youknowme]

Whatever happened to reviewing the evidence with your own eyes instead of just blindly trusting some agreeable "news" source or op-ed?

 

[Cooky]

If Americans didn't buy illegal drugs there wouldn't be illegal drugs being brought in. The problem is us, not them.

Do you feel the same way about the tobacco industry? It's the smokers at fault, and not big tobacco at all?

...Just curious, because I was under the impression that profiting off of highly addictive substances, on purpose, kind of puts the supplier at fault.

 

[Salvador]

With a wall, that number would decrease, because presumably the attempts at breaching it would diminish. But none of this would stop the inflow of drugs, because they come by ship, by plane, by train, by trucks, through tunnels, and by methods we don't even know about. And a lot of it doesn't come in at all, as it's manufactured right here. So the wall is not going to change the availability of illegal drugs one little bit. Not the crime that they create.

Believe you me, if you yourself were a border patrol agent or if a beloved family member or dear friend of yours were a border patrol agent, then you'd most likely support an effect border security barrier.

In Hungary, their illegal immigration was reduced 99 percent after this nation erected an effective border security fence, and guess what happened next, crimes rates significantly dropped there as well. So if crime had been significantly reduced after a border security barrier was erected in Hungary, then this stands to reason, an effective border security barrier would likewise significantly reduce crime in parts of the United States.

 

[youknowme]

The confirmation bias is strong in this thread.

 

[Salvador]

I can't help but noticed this is not the actual survey I am looking for; are you unable to find this survey as well?

I've found news reports of this survey, but I've neither found an actual copy of this survey nor an official document of this survey's results.

 

[youknowme]

Believe you me, if you yourself were a border patrol agent or if a beloved family member or dear friend of yours were a border patrol agent, then you'd most likely support an effect border security barrier.

In Hungary, their illegal immigration was reduced 99 percent after this nation erected an effective border security fence, and guess what happened next, crimes rates significantly dropped there as well. So if crime had been significantly reduced after a border security barrier was erected in Hungary, then this stands to reason, an effective border security barrier would likewise significantly reduce crime in parts of the United States.

If you are going to draw that subjective correlation then why not for single payer healthcare?

 

[youknowme]

I've found news reports of this survey, but I've neither found an actual copy of this survey nor an official document of this survey results.

Then it is not a "news" report by my standards, I need to see the actual evidence.

 

[Cooky]

If you are going to draw that subjective correlation then why not for single payer healthcare?

Stay on topic.