Your opinions on the U.S. border wall

[Cooky]

I'll give 5 bucks to the first person to find and post facts about how many miles Humpy can build for 5 billion dollars.

And then what?

And even with a wall how would that help the poor people fleeing for theirs lives and wanting a chance at a humane life for themselves and their families?

What about those people? I think shutting down the government over this dumpty idea hasn't been well thought out.

And Happy New Year to all. I'm enjoying your interesting forum. Thanks.

Can we just shoot every elected official in south and central America since they are incompetant fools, whose own citizens have to flee for their lives?

 

[FlyingTeaPot]

No, I wouldn't agree to anything stupid.

I am having a hard time having a real conversation with you. Every time I say something logical, you move the goalposts.

 

[wandering peacefully]

Tragic that they’re in that situation, but shouldn’t we take care of our own first?

I think we should be smart enough to figure out how to do both simultaneously. We certainly have enough money. We just don't have the will.

The details for solutions to the actual problems is what rhetoric prevents. All types of rhetoric but hey, it's more fun and certainly easier.

 

[wandering peacefully]

Can we just shoot every elected official in south and central America since they are incompetant fools, whose own citizens have to flee for their lives?

What a ridiculous and useless idea. Try again.

 

[youknowme]

Tragic that they’re in that situation, but shouldn’t we take care of our own first?

You mean other human beings, right? We are humans, therefore "our own" are humans. . .

 

[Cooky]

What a ridiculous and useless idea. Try again.

Can we set up City-State oasises scattered out throughout the South American continent, run by American politicians so as to set up properly functioning economic cities in a sea of chaos?

...Perhaps they would become such a boon to the regions that surround them, they could be used as a source of illumination to set a proper example and would fix the current problems over a span of maybe several decades?

 

[Cooky]

You mean other human beings, right? We are humans, therefore "our own" are humans. . .

If we're all just humans, then all governments are just governments too. So the U.S. government should be able to just walk in and take the wheel.

 

[Watchmen]

You mean other human beings, right? We are humans, therefore "our own" are humans. . .

I’m also an American who believes in America first. I’ll gladly help others once the Americans are taken care of.

 

[youknowme]

I’m also an American who believes in America first. I’ll gladly help others once the Americans are taken care of.

What does that even mean? As it just sounds like an excuse to be apathetic towards people in need.

Consider this:

What does it mean to be poor in America:

The typical poor household, as defined by the government, has a car and air conditioning, two color televisions, cable or satellite TV, a DVD player, and a VCR.

By its own report, the typical poor family was not hungry, was able to obtain medical care when needed.

The typical average poor American has more living space in his home than the average (non-poor) European has.

Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox: What is Poverty in the United States Today?

 

[Cooky]

Why, in Latin America, are there so many poor, why such violence, and why isn't anyone concerned with doing anything about it?

...And why does it make the U.S. the bad guys?

 

[Cooky]

What does that even mean? As it just sounds like an excuse to be apathetic towards people in need.

Consider this:

What does it mean to be poor in America:



Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox: What is Poverty in the United States Today?

What are your hope's, wide open borders? Anyone who wants, just come on in?

 

[youknowme]

What are your hope's, wide open borders? Anyone who wants, just come on in?

Hyperbolize much?

 

[Watchmen]

What does that even mean? As it just sounds like an excuse to be apathetic towards people in need.

Consider this:

What does it mean to be poor in America:



Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox: What is Poverty in the United States Today?

I’m not talking about the “poor” in America who enjoy air conditioning, cable TV and an Xbox. I’m talking about the homeless tent cities that exist in major cities all over the country. I’m talking about the homeless mentally ill people roaming the streets of these cities. I’m talking about the homeless alcoholics who are passed out in the street every morning. And, most importantly, I’m talking about the suffering children of these people.

Were you not aware such Americans existed?

 

[metis]

Why, in Latin America, are there so many poor, why such violence, and why isn't anyone concerned with doing anything about it?

...And why does it make the U.S. the bad guys?

Because most of the illegal drugs that these drug cartels process and sell end up being bought here in the U.S. by Americans. We are a large part of the problem and, therefore, I will argue that we have a moral responsibility to try and deal with this.

 

[metis]

I’m also an American who believes in America first. I’ll gladly help others once the Americans are taken care of.

Translation: We will never help others.

 

[Curious George]

I’m also an American who believes in America first. I’ll gladly help others once the Americans are taken care of.

Except there is plenty of resistance to help even the U.S. citizens.

 

[wandering peacefully]

Can we set up City-State oasises scattered out throughout the South American continent, run by American politicians so as to set up properly functioning economic cities in a sea of chaos?

...Perhaps they would become such a boon to the regions that surround them, they could be used as a source of illumination to set a proper example and would fix the current problems over a span of maybe several decades?

Now that sounds like a much better plan. But the corrupt government officials you wanted to eliminate probably wouldn't go for greedy American politicians running the Islands of opportunity. And private corporations sure can't be trusted to not be as corrupt as the governments. But somehow it needs to be done to help these people in their own countries so they don't need to flee. Youre idea is good but it would have to be a combination of humanitarian businesses and humanitarian politicians to run the cities with cooperation of the host countries to provide protection from the cartels and criminals.

Yeah, a pipe dream. But there must be greater minds that could come up with a workable plan. It is hard to believe there is no better idea than a 15th century wall which won't work. And it would take a lot more than 5 billion to build, maintain and guard "the wall". Heck, taxpayers will pay that in court costs in all of the eminent domain fights from property owners who don't want to give up their lands for a wall.

 

[Steven Merten]

Can we set up City-State oasises scattered out throughout the South American continent, run by American politicians so as to set up properly functioning economic cities in a sea of chaos?

...Perhaps they would become such a boon to the regions that surround them, they could be used as a source of illumination to set a proper example and would fix the current problems over a span of maybe several decades?

Hello Landon,
You are talking about Papal States. For a millennium and a half, the Church was the great protector of people living on land donated to the Pope. Citizens of Papal States were far better off than others, through the Dark Ages. Setting up a donated land, sovereign nation, amidst the secular nations, for people to freely travel to, would solve the anarchy and persecution in South America. 2 billion Christians tithing, to support the least of Christ's brothers in South America, would be the Church loving Jesus and Jesus caring for the poor.