Youssef (Egypt's Jon Stewart) Arrested for "Insulting Morsi"

[uberrobonomicon4000]

The majority voted for the Constitution freely. Egyptians democratically elected Morsi. They also elected the members of the dissolved parliament freely. And guess what the secularists and the liberals keep losing. Most of them are a bunch of hypocrites who don't really believe in democracy. They want secular dictatorship (even military rule) because they can't have the majority of voices.

Egyptians will determine how the next Parliament will look like. Egyptians can change the President. They are not stuck with the current president or the government.

Yeah, for the time being I guess, as long as it doesn’t turn into mock rule or a dictatorship.

I agree with your other post. Sweeping changes and progress doesn’t happen overnight. I don’t disagree with the blasphemy laws either, because they seem promising as in a means to end a lot of hostility between people of different faiths and religions. People can complain that it only has to do with “the divine religions”, but in my opinion Egyptians have to start somewhere.

People are not allowed to vandalize other people’s property or places of worship where I live, much less go around spraying vulgar graffiti on the front of people’s houses. On top of that someone using a religion to promote extreme ideologies is no different than a situation like Hitler. Most people want to relate all of the problems Hitler caused Jews, but evidently Muslims didn’t have it much better during that period of time, much less anyone else. However, Hitler is no exception; there are people of different religions, faiths, nationalities and background that have done the same or even worse. I don’t see how anyone could support something like that and say blasphemy laws are unjust. It’s like they live on another planet. But I guess only time will tell how the Egyptians handle their new government and way of life as long as they are in control of it and it isn’t in control of them which doesn’t seem to be the case.

Egyptians are after all the ones that helped established it.

Aside from that, I think Egyptians have other things to worry about like you said, what are people going to eat and when will the escalation of political outcry die down and the economy pick back up. When will people come to the realization of accepting sweeping change and how will Egyptians and society as a whole handle it. It could take months, years, or decades, but it seems to me there is a lot more going on in Egypt which is a lot more important than the arrest of some comedian and to think that some Americans (and I'm American - small miniscule minorities don't speak for all) want to accuse Egyptians of stifling freedom of speech is a farce.

It’s like someone saying: “You arrested someone for punching chuck e cheese”. Oh my God! Let’s all throw a big hissy fit. Otherwise lets post it on youtube and all get a good laugh out of it.

 

[F0uad]

Funny how so many western people can speak on the behalf of the Egyptian people.. but its probably me.

 

[uberrobonomicon4000]

I think it’s just because many western people are very opinionated and concerned about the state of Egypt, because it’s a country most of us in the west have high expectations and solidarity for.

It’s rich in culture and speaks volumes for the people that live there and in the surrounding area.

 

[F0uad]

I think it’s just because many western people are very opinionated and concerned about the state of Egypt, because it’s a country most of us in the west have high expectations and solidarity for.

It’s rich in culture and speaks volumes for the people that live there and in the surrounding area.

So let me get this straight, first the West puts a dictator, then it goes to the middle-east promoting and preaching democracy with violence, then the Arabs want democracy and are spilling blood for it, but at the end the west still wants to make the decisions on who is ruling? Why come to the middle-east bombing and killing innocent people promoting your ideology about democracy when in the end people can't choose?

The west has no respect for the Middle-east or Africa don't make me laugh, if they don't bow down to the wishes of the West they get destroyed, heck even innocent people are getting targeted for no reason. Stop interfering with the Middle-east, Africa and start looking at your own country its a bigger mess there then here.

 

[uberrobonomicon4000]

So let me get this straight, first the West puts a dictator, then it goes to the middle-east promoting and preaching democracy with violence, then the Arabs want democracy and are spilling blood for it, but at the end the west still wants to make the decisions on who is ruling? Why come to the middle-east bombing and killing innocent people promoting your ideology about democracy when in the end people can't choose?

The west has no respect for the Middle-east or Africa don't make me laugh, if they don't bow down to the wishes of the West they get destroyed, heck even innocent people are getting targeted for no reason. Stop interfering with the Middle-east, Africa and start looking at your own country its a bigger mess there then here.

Am I suppose to take this post seriously?

I would suggest you go do some research instead of making grossly illinformed comments.

 

[England my lionheart]

Neither is the public outcry that follows such arrests and detentions. The thing is that the Muslim Brotherhood is just getting rolling. Things are going to get much, much worse.

Very sad but true,Egyptians were better off under Mubarak,when one considers how bad his regime was and to actually be worse makes for sorry reading, the FJP front the best organised party but have shown they are the least able to lead.

The Muslim Brotherhood cheated the people with the slogan "Islam is the answer" ,they should add the obvious "like it or not" ,well their Islam at least.

 

[F0uad]

Very sad but true,Egyptians were better off under Mubarak,when one considers how bad his regime was and to actually be worse makes for sorry reading, the FJP front the best organised party but have shown they are the least able to lead.

The Muslim Brotherhood cheated the people with the slogan "Islam is the answer" ,they should add the obvious "like it or not" ,well their Islam at least.

Are you a Egyptian since when do you speak on there behalf? Didn't the majority vote for them?

 

[Sahar]

But I guess only time will tell how the Egyptians handle their new government and way of life as long as they are in control of it and it isn’t in control of them which doesn’t seem to be the case.

My friend, the government is not in actual control of anything and this is our problem now. People are killing each other and no one tells us who are responsible for all that!

I appreciate the rest of your post.

 

[England my lionheart]

Are you a Egyptian since when do you speak on there behalf? Didn't the majority vote for them?

Are you?,i think we had this conversation in another thread,i'd be happy to continue it but unless you have done any research on the subject since the last time i'll pass.

 

[Meow Mix]

Funny how so many western people can speak on the behalf of the Egyptian people.. but its probably me.

I fight for equality and fairness regardless of imaginary lines. If my fellow humans are being oppressed unfairly I don't care what "border" separates them from me; it's just a squiggle on the map -- it's not real. Human misery *is* real.

It's real when someone believes in a non "state-endorsed" religion in Egypt and suffers for it.

It's real when someone expresses criticism and somehow is actually able to get arrested over it.

I'd complain about it regardless of which imaginary boundaries this happened to someone in. I complain about the injustices in my own imaginary boundaries!

 

[F0uad]

I fight for equality and fairness regardless of imaginary lines. If my fellow humans are being oppressed unfairly I don't care what "border" separates them from me; it's just a squiggle on the map -- it's not real. Human misery *is* real.

It's real when someone believes in a non "state-endorsed" religion in Egypt and suffers for it.

It's real when someone expresses criticism and somehow is actually able to get arrested over it.

I'd complain about it regardless of which imaginary boundaries this happened to someone in. I complain about the injustices in my own imaginary boundaries!

:clap

And how did this answer my question? Where did i say Injustice should go unpunished?
My problem really is why not start with your own mess before pointing fingers, how are you going to clean up the world when there is garbage in your own garden?

Stop promoting your Secularism what has nothing to do what with i said and it doesn't work in Egypt because 80 to 90% Is Muslim and they don't want Secularism to begin with. The people who do want Secularism would be around 10 to 20 % At MAX.

This person didn't get charged or a fine nothing, yet in American and the West you get charged, jailed, fined tortured while being innocent how does this work? Then you have the patriot act in America so if i were you i would be worried more about America then Egypt.

Egypt has lasted longer then America, it existed longer and it will last longer.

 

[Godobeyer]

I like Bassim Yousef , he is top one showman comdien to me .
i accept his critic to Morsy , and some Muslim Brothers leaders .

this is a creadibale prouf (argement ) that Arabic Spring for some people is just a revolution of extrem Islam and Terrorism and civil wars

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Why do some leaders and countries or religions think that they should be beyond criticism.
Criticism and critical investigation keeps people honest.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

:clap

And how did this answer my question? Where did i say Injustice should go unpunished?
My problem really is why not start with your own mess before pointing fingers, how are you going to clean up the world when there is garbage in your own garden?

Stop promoting your Secularism what has nothing to do what with i said and it doesn't work in Egypt because 80 to 90% Is Muslim and they don't want Secularism to begin with. The people who do want Secularism would be around 10 to 20 % At MAX.

This person didn't get charged or a fine nothing, yet in American and the West you get charged, jailed, fined tortured while being innocent how does this work? Then you have the patriot act in America so if i were you i would be worried more about America then Egypt.

Egypt has lasted longer then America, it existed longer and it will last longer.

You know, MM and others like her (including myself) have criticized and spoken up repeatedly about injustice right here in the U.S.

Repeatedly.

I think the assumption that American citizens think our country is beyond reproach is a projection from others who think THEY are beyond reproach by others. I haven't seen MM debate from a position that America is perfect, tbh.

 

[dust1n]

I wish Egypt would take Turkey's lead in secularization. I doubt there will ever be peace as long as religion is codified as law in anyway.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/evidence-of-torture-by-egyptian-islamists/

 

[Sahar]

I wish Egypt would take Turkey's lead in secularization.

Oh given the oppressive history of Turkey's secularization

I doubt there will ever be peace as long as religion is codified as law in anyway.

People live in bad conditions because "religion is codified as law"!

Evidence of Torture by Egyptian Islamists - NYTimes.com

You forgot to mention the fact that most of who were killed in that battle of the presidential palace were Muslim Brotherhood members...if the secularists are ready to use thugs to kill their opponents, what would happen if they were in rule?! Oh, right they used to imprison and kill them...the Egyptian regime that Egyptians revolted against was secular!! Strange, huh!!

 

[Sahar]

Evidence of Torture by Egyptian Islamists - NYTimes.com

To be fair, on that violent day, indeed MB supporters did beat and torture people, which is condemned but also the opponent (with their thugs) did the same and worse; murdered 10 people with guns and rifles, 8 of them were Muslim Brotherhood members.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContentMulti/60001/Multimedia.aspx

 

[Meow Mix]

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And how did this answer my question? Where did i say Injustice should go unpunished?
My problem really is why not start with your own mess before pointing fingers, how are you going to clean up the world when there is garbage in your own garden?

I'm not insinuating you don't think injustice should go unanswered -- I was explaining why I'm commenting on matters happening on the other side of the globe from me. The question was "why are you nosing about in others' business when there is bad business in your own back yard" and my answer was "because imaginary borders and distance are inconsequential to my level of caring for peoples' wellbeing."

Stop promoting your Secularism what has nothing to do what with i said and it doesn't work in Egypt because 80 to 90% Is Muslim and they don't want Secularism to begin with. The people who do want Secularism would be around 10 to 20 % At MAX.

The thing is that secularism is fair for everyone -- if 10% of a population is oppressed because 90% wants to oppress them, that's still tyranny and it's still unconscionable. It's an injustice for a government to do so even if it serves a majority to do so -- especially if there's an alternative wherein everybody wins and nobody loses.

Saying "a majority doesn't want secularism" is about the same argument as "a majorty doesn't want to be just or fair to those different from them," which isn't much of an argument if the topic is justice, fairness, and equality.

Of course this all depends on what's meant by "secular." Secularism is NOT the banishment of religion from the public square or the ability to freely practice religion (so long as it doesn't trample anyone else's rights) -- it's just the disentanglement of religion from governmental function: protecting the practice of religion for those who wish to practice it, and protecting those who practice different religions (or none at all) from being subject to religious taboos with the force of law. (i.e., I can't tell you not to worship as you see fit and you can't impose your religious taboos on me)

This person didn't get charged or a fine nothing, yet in American and the West you get charged, jailed, fined tortured while being innocent how does this work? Then you have the patriot act in America so if i were you i would be worried more about America then Egypt.

Egypt has lasted longer then America, it existed longer and it will last longer.

Youseff had to pay bail to be released -- why was he arrested in the first place?

I'm not defending America's record on this. America has important laws in theory against habeas corpus, unwarranted search and seizures, innocence until proven guilty, etc. -- but I'll agree with you that America has not lived up to these high ideals. Again, I'm not defending America as a beacon of justice, so pointing out America's shortcomings -- tu quoque argumentation -- isn't going to work here. I find America just as disgusting and unjust in practice as you probably do.

 

[Godobeyer]

i watched his episode yesterday ,he countinous mocking Muslim Brotherhood and Mosry , i am sure he would assassinate soon or they would put him in jail.

 

[Meow Mix]

i watched his episode yesterday ,he countinous mocking Muslim Brotherhood and Mosry , i am sure he would assassinate soon or they would put him in jail.

Isn't it a statement about the way things are in a society in general if you fear someone is going to be assassinated soon over making some jokes?

Don't get me wrong, not saying anything about the swathes of decent, civilized Egyptians. But how do things get so bad, and what can be done about them?

We're struggling with societal problems in America too. Seems humans have to deal with crazies worldwide, eh?