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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I got vaccinated because I trust experts and it was my duty to society. I've had no ill effects.

One of many concerns from unvaccinated and antivax alike are long-term side affects and breakthrough infections. I know the risk is small, but rarity doesn't invalidate probability. If your overall health wasn't good, how would you feel if you had a breakthrough infection because you're the rare one who to whom the vaccine did not work?

Any intentions you add to this question is opinion. It's as read.
 
That question has already been answered. The answer is yes, it's highly recommended by every doctor to take the vaccine unless you are allergic to them, too young or have a suppressed immune system. Considering vaccine are part of a collective health scheme and that the collective requires it, not taking the vaccine is unwise and potentially dangerous. That's the recommendation by every health agency and every medical doctor on the planet. You can't ignore it. If you don't do it, you do a medically unwise and potentially very dangerous decision based on misinformation or incredible stupidity. A normally constituted adult is supposed to be able to control their own baseless paranoiac fear when it comes to such decisions once good information is assessed.
Getting the vaccine is not recommended by every doctor and health agency on the planet. That’s misinformation and would like to see you prove that. I had Covid, recovered and have natural immunity so I’m not getting the vaccine that doesn’t prevent someone from getting Covid.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
Getting the vaccine is not recommended by every doctor and health agency on the planet. That’s misinformation and would like to see you prove that. I had Covid, recovered and have natural immunity so I’m not getting the vaccine that doesn’t prevent someone from getting Covid.

It would be less tedious to find one health agency that doesn't not recommend taking the COVID vaccine. The WHO recommends it as do the health agency of every major country (That's the US, Canada, the EU, China, India, Japan, Australia, Russia, South Africa, Egypt, Brazil, Argentina and many others). Can you find a country whose health organization doesn't recommend vaccination against COVID-19?

PS: If you had COVID-19, you would require vaccination still (but only one dose instead of two from the pfizer, Astrazeneca or moderna vaccines). There have been several cases of people getting COVID twice. No method is foolproof.
 
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epronovost

Well-Known Member
Since you can only infect people if you have COVID and any person vaccinated and not can infect others, that excuse is moot.

No, it's not just like in my driving drunk analogy, your risk rate are very different. Unless you do not care about reducing your personal risks and that of others, taking the vaccine is the only sane and rational choice. It does reduce the risk massively. That's simply a fact. Ignoring a reduction of risk and equivocating it to being a failure of equal size as doing nothing to reduce the risk is mind numbing stupidity.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
One of many concerns from unvaccinated and antivax alike are long-term side affects ...
What side effects? So you don't like any vaccinations, because they all work the same.

...and breakthrough infections.
Those happen because anti-vax people have anxiety about vaccinations. They **** up life for everyone else who does the right thing.

I know the risk is small, but rarity doesn't invalidate probability.
That's why the vast majority of people get vaccinated and have no ill effects. But just enough anti-vaxers sabotage the whole thing. Why? You guys don't know, anxiety mostly.

If your overall health wasn't good, how would you feel if you had a breakthrough infection because you're the rare one who to whom the vaccine did not work?
I'd blame anti-vaxxers because they are why there is still a virus running rampant.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
No, it's not just like in my driving drunk analogy, your risk rate are very different. Unless you do not care about reducing your personal risks and that of others, taking the vaccine is the only sane and rational choice. It does reduce the risk massively. That's simply a fact. Ignoring a reduction of risk and equivocating it to being a failure of equal size as doing nothing to reduce the risk is mind numbing stupidity.

If you believe your risk is high then it makes sense to reduce it. The problem is you're putting everyone at the same risk and assuming that we should all reduce our risk even more when each person is different. I'm not totally isolated but there are people who are.

How to say. It's like you went to sleep one day just fine and you woke up thinking you going to infect the world. Unless you had some personal experience, high risk, or high risk group (something more than just information), I just don't see how your mindset changed from just fine one day and to possible endangering others the next. It's been repeated so many times by government, experts, and media that people now believe if they are not vaccinated they're a ticking time bomb.

How to say. There's a difference between people telling you you are at risk and you knowing you are at risk regardless anyone tells you. You know if someone says you are at a high risk getting into a car accident, you know you don't listen to that someone if you walk to work everyday. However, people do.

There are so many variables it's hard to say who is endangering who unless we know for a Fact they have COVID. Until then, it's just educated guessing. It's using a group statistic to blame individual people solely because they are not vaccinated (exempt and not).
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
And also a lot of vaccinated people running around with Covid, so now what? Vaccinated or unvaccinated can roam around with Covid.
The vaccinated are responsible, so will quarantine. Plus the vaccinated will not be as contagious, nor be as big a host for the virus as the unvaccinated cesspools. So don't worry about it. Worry about the unvaccinated who pose a threat to everyone.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
No, it's not just like in my driving drunk analogy, your risk rate are very different. Unless you do not care about reducing your personal risks and that of others, taking the vaccine is the only sane and rational choice. It does reduce the risk massively. That's simply a fact. Ignoring a reduction of risk and equivocating it to being a failure of equal size as doing nothing to reduce the risk is mind numbing stupidity.

@epronovost Also, why are exempt unvaccinated people immune your logic that unvaccinated people are endangering others?

Their limitations doesn't mean they aren't endangering others too. It just means that provaxxers excuse them because they are not as much of a threat than those who choose not to vaccinate. It's highly political. Focus less about people's choices and who is antivax and all that nonsense. Not everyone is moved by fear and not everyone believes facts have inherent common sense.

COVID doesn't care about our choices or limitations. It doesn't care who is vaccinated and who isn't. If your overall health is poor and a vaccinated person has COVID and spreads it to you, you can get seriously ill and could die.

When I say some people, not everyone, or a person as an example I'm not always talking about myself. Everyone is in different situations. I make no excuses. I will not vaccinate. However, my concern and opinions of other unvaccinated people I just don't understand why the hate and division. We don't know who is asymptomatic. But we do know that the unknown can't infect people (at least I hope we do). Facts not probabilities.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
What side effects? So you don't like any vaccinations, because they all work the same.

Adverse side effects not colds, headaches, and chills.

Those happen because anti-vax people have anxiety about vaccinations. They **** up life for everyone else who does the right thing.

How do you "know"??

That's why the vast majority of people get vaccinated and have no ill effects. But just enough anti-vaxers sabotage the whole thing. Why? You guys don't know, anxiety mostly.

How do you know?

I know saying anxiety helps you justify other people's actions, which is fine. The claims don't do much, though, unless they have some basis in facts. You can't tell by talking to a stranger.

I'd blame anti-vaxxers because they are why there is still a virus running rampant.

Who told you that?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The vaccinated are responsible, so will quarantine. Plus the vaccinated will not be as contagious, nor be as big a host for the virus as the unvaccinated cesspools. So don't worry about it. Worry about the unvaccinated who pose a threat to everyone.

Be scared of both vaccinated and unvaccinated. COVID doesn't care about our political views.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Adverse side effects not colds, headaches, and chills.
Oh, the the anticipated effects of our immune system building antibodies to wipe out the virus if you inhale it.

That's the vaccine working.

How do you "know"??
Talking to you anti-vaxxers. You tell us how much anxiety you have, and most of it irrational, and you seem unaware of where it comes from.

How do you know?
Mostly my friends sharing their views, who are are all vaccinated.

I know saying anxiety helps you justify other people's actions, which is fine. The claims don't do much, though, unless they have some basis in facts. You can't tell by talking to a stranger.
Fortunately you talk quite a bit and that informs us about how anti-vaxxers "think".

Who told you that?
Oh jeez, everybody knows the unvaccinated are spreading the virus. An unvaccinated person infected me and about 60 others.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The vaccinated are responsible, so will quarantine. Plus the vaccinated will not be as contagious, nor be as big a host for the virus as the unvaccinated cesspools. So don't worry about it. Worry about the unvaccinated who pose a threat to everyone.

Vaccinated people would be contagious if they have COVID. They could be asymptomatic. They feel rarity relieves them of this.

Both vac and unvac are cesspools. However unless they don't socal distance, they're risk of catching COVID is low. Also vac relieved the severity of the disease not prevent the infection.

Once vac is infected depending on the other person's overall health they could kill people.

Unvax and unvax aren't at the same level of risk in itself but that doesn't mean they're not asymptomatic.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Also vac relieved the severity of the disease not prevent the infection.

It doesn't only reduce severity, it also reduces the chance of infection and spreading the disease.

Research has shown the vaccines help:
  • reduce your risk of getting seriously ill or dying from COVID-19
  • reduce your risk of catching or spreading COVID-19
  • protect against COVID-19 variants
 
It would be less tedious to find one health agency that doesn't not recommend taking the COVID vaccine. The WHO recommends it as do the health agency of every major country (That's the US, Canada, the EU, China, India, Japan, Australia, Russia, South Africa, Egypt, Brazil, Argentina and many others). Can you find a country whose health organization doesn't recommend vaccination against COVID-19?

PS: If you had COVID-19, you would require vaccination still (but only one dose instead of two from the pfizer, Astrazeneca or moderna vaccines). There have been several cases of people getting COVID twice. No method is foolproof.
Anyone pushing a vaccine only agenda is biased and should be labeled as such. People who have recovered from Covid and have natural immunity rarely have a breakthrough case and need no booster or vaccine shots to be protected, this isn’t so with vaccinated individuals.
Comparing SARS-CoV-2 Natural Immunity to Vaccine-Induced Immunity: Reinfections versus Breakthrough Infections | NCRC
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
You can still be infected and spend the virus.

The whole point is about relative risk. There is no course of action that can eliminate all risk but the vaccine reduces the risk considerably, to you, those you interact with, and those who might need a hospital bed that you might be taking up if you become seriously ill, that's why the rational and socially responsible thing to do is to get the vaccine.
 
The vaccinated are responsible, so will quarantine. Plus the vaccinated will not be as contagious, nor be as big a host for the virus as the unvaccinated cesspools. So don't worry about it. Worry about the unvaccinated who pose a threat to everyone.
Comments like these are funny to me, if you’re vaccinated you shouldn’t have to worry about anything because you’re protected, right?
The unvaccinated aren’t a threat to everyone unless you’re saying the vaccines are terrible and don’t work, you can prove that unvaccinated are cesspools, otherwise it’s more scare tactics.
I don’t see a peer reviewed paper anywhere that shares your views.
 
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