Zionism

[Shermana]

Mustard Gas against Pebbles and Stones is restraint...

Pebbles and stones kill and break bones.

 

[Shermana]

1) I am against thousands being displaced in the process..Last I remember the Palestinians didnt chase Jews out of Israel nor were they responsible for the holocaust..why didnt you guys opt for an unoccupied Island..or the outback in Australia or even better why didn't you guys kick the Germans out of Germany and lay claim to their land..would make more sense.

2) Lol being against something and accepting it are two different things.

i.e I am against the Democratic party..yet I accept when they do get elected..just an example I dont care too much for politics..

I am against people giving opinions out of ignorance yet I have to accept that they wont really ever stop.

The Palestinians very well tried to chase the Jews out of Israel from 1947-1948 (and arguably during the riots before that). Their leader, Mufti-Al Husseini was in fact allied with the Nazis. They may not have been responsible for the Holocaust, but they were definitely responsible for an attempted Holocaust during the 1948 war.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Pebbles and stones kill and break bones.

What could kevlar vests/helmets and riot shields POSSIBLY do to stop those ever-so-lethal rocks from killing people?

 

[Shermana]

What could kevlar and riot shields POSSIBLY do to stop those ever-so-lethal rocks from killing people?

Most people who are maimed or killed from them aren't wearing kevlar and riot shields, they are civilians or border guards who aren't dressed for SWAT style antics. Besides, Kevlar face masks have yet to be implemented.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Most people who are maimed or killed from them aren't wearing kevlar and riot shields, they are civilians or border guards who aren't dressed for SWAT style antics.

I'll give you that. I'm not so naive as to believe the Palestinians don't hurt anybody, but don't act like a rock is a comparable weapon to mustard gas... I'll say it again; no side is blameless in this conflict and both have committed their fair share of atrocities.

Besides, Kevlar face masks have yet to be implemented.

Hence the reason riot shields are man-sized and you can see through them.

 

[Shermana]

I don't see the point in comparing rocks to bullets or tank shells. A weapon is a weapon. A slingshot can kill you dead, real dead, or disable your limbs real good all the same. Besides, they use a lot more than just rocks, molotov cocktails are increasingly becoming a problem for civilian cars traveling through Judea-Samaria and during protests, and they're real big on Sniper rifles. But as for rocks, you can't really say x person can't use weapon y against weapon z just because one travels at a higher velocity or has a higher radius of effect. A hostile action with a deadly weapon is a hostile action with a deadly weapon, whether it's primitive or highly advanced.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I don't see the point in comparing rocks to bullets or tank shells. A weapon is a weapon. A slingshot can kill you dead, real dead, or disable your limbs real good all the same. Besides, they use a lot more than just rocks, molotov cocktails are increasingly becoming a problem for civilian cars traveling through Judea-Samaria and during protests, and they're real big on Sniper rifles. But as for rocks, you can't really say x person can't use weapon y against weapon z just because one travels at a higher velocity or has a higher radius of effect. A hostile action with a deadly weapon is a hostile action with a deadly weapon, whether it's primitive or highly advanced.

I agree that any weapon can kill when used effectively. But throwing a rock against a wall of shields is definitely less effective than shelling people with canisters of nerve gas. Don't act as if there's an equal amount of casualties. Again, I'm not placing blame on either side, just observing from the outside.

 

[Shermana]

I understand you're not placing blame.

Really it's just a matter of efficacy. The number of casualties says nothing about who is right or wrong or who should have to be handicapped to meet the needs of the other side trying to kill them. Why are they even trying to fling rocks at a riot shield if it's not effective? Just to make a statement? Obviously they're hoping to hit a chink in the armor or a gap in the line. If they had access to gas, they'd probably be using it.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I understand you're not placing blame.

Really it's just a matter of efficacy. The number of casualties says nothing about who is right or wrong or who should have to be handicapped to meet the needs of the other side trying to kill them. Why are they even trying to fling rocks at a riot shield if it's not effective? Just to make a statement? Obviously they're hoping to hit a chink in the armor or a gap in the line. If they had access to gas, they'd probably be using it.

I have no doubts that they would use gas if they had it. I would in their position too. It just seems like a lot of people have this romanticized view of the Israelis as people who have never fired a shot in anger and would never stoop to the level of those evil, savage Arabs. It's a stupid opinion to have. There's a war going on and both sides are going to use whatever means available to inflict the most pain and suffering they can on the other side.

 

[Shermana]

I have no doubts that they would use gas if they had it. I would in their position too. It just seems like a lot of people have this romanticized view of the Israelis as people who have never fired a shot in anger and would never stoop to the level of those evil, savage Arabs. It's a stupid opinion to have. There's a war going on and both sides are going to use whatever means available to inflict the most pain and suffering they can on the other side.

If that was the case, the Palestinians would have tasted the fury of the full arsenal of Israel's artillery and Air Force. There'd be no Palestinians by now. Every one of their villages would have 155mm shell remnants outside of the giant craters. Israel walks on egg shells.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

If that was the case, the Palestinians would have tasted the fury of the full arsenal of Israel's artillery and Air Force. There'd be no Palestinians by now. Every one of their villages would have 155mm shell remnants outside of the giant craters. Israel walks on egg shells.

That's more political than out of any real feelings of fairness or compassion. Israel knows they stand to lose more than a few allies if they just bulldoze through all the Palestinians. The phrases "war crimes" and "human rights violations" will be used even more often then they are now. The Israelis do have an economy to maintain, and it wouldn't be smart to lose trade opportunities by rousing the anger of the international community. They have gotten this far by playing the victim.

 

[Shermana]

That's more political than out of any real feelings of fairness or compassion. Israel knows they stand to lose more than a few allies if they just bulldoze through all the Palestinians. The phrases "war crimes" and "human rights violations" will be used even more often then they are now. The Israelis do have an economy to maintain, and it wouldn't be smart to lose trade opportunities by rousing the anger of the international community. They have gotten this far by playing the victim.

Well of course. I should have taken that into account before I replied to what you said by "whatever means available". Also, there's the issue of why exactly the international community would "rage" about it while they don't seem to mind other countries doing similarly.

But what do you mean by "playing the victim"? The Palestinians are the one who play that every single day. They even have to reinvent history to show what victims they are!

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Well of course. I should have taken that into account before I replied to what you said by "whatever means available". Also, there's the issue of why exactly the international community would "rage" about it while they don't seem to mind other countries doing similarly.

That's not true; you hear people griping about "war crimes" all over the place all the time. I can't turn on the news without hearing about how such and such army did this horrible thing to such and such people...

But what do you mean by "playing the victim"? The Palestinians are the one who play that every single day. They even have to reinvent history to show what victims they are!

Both sides are equally guilty of placing all the fault on the other and feigning victimization. Neither will admit to any wrongdoing. If I talk to a Zionist, I'll hear about everything the Palestinians have done wrong and how the Israelis are only defending themselves. If I ask someone that's "pro-Palestine", they'll tell me about everything the Israelis have done and how the Palestinians are only defending themselves. In the end, I believe nobody.

 

[Shermana]

Turkey and China are get away with it just fine. Turkey may be rejected for EU membership because of it but that's really just a slap on the wrist.

Well as long as you go by the facts, no one's asking you to support the Zionists or think they're totally blameless, we just want you to get the story straight.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Turkey and China are get away with it just fine. Turkey may be rejected for EU membership because of it but that's really just a slap on the wrist.

That "slap on the wrist" might turn out to be economic suicide, depending on how Turkey's current situation pans out. And people love to hate China; I don't know where you get the idea that nobody minds. The US sure as hell doesn't mind (officially), but that doesn't speak for the rest of the world, and is strictly an economic decision. Israel isn't an export-driven economy that can cut off the countries they supply if anyone decides to give them lip, which sets them far apart from China.

 

[nash8]

Yeah but what happens when nobobdy has enough money to buy China's crap. If the U.S. fails China essentially fails, economically speaking. China has very little "indispensable" exports. All their exports are manufacturing crap, that any other country could produce themselves.

I don't hate China, I hate Chinese government officials and Chineses business, and I hate U.S. business that export their manufacturing to China because they can pay their employees in dog poop, and put up suicide nets so you can't even take a day off work by killing yourself. And they get tax breaks. You gotta be f'n kidding me.

 

[Monotheist 101]

If someone kicks you out of your house, and you then move back in, reclaiming it from the squatters who have taken up residence while you were unable to get back, you shouldn't have to take it seriously when bystanders say, "You're really inconveniencing those squatters who took over your home. Why don't you go move into some other house?"

While we may not have constituted a majority of the populace for most of the past 1500 years, it was our home for the previous 1000 years or more, and we didn't leave voluntarily: the Romans kicked the majority of the populace of the land out

Wait a sec...so I used to live in a house 3000 years ago...Someone else ended up moving in to the larger portion of it..and I ended up squatting for the last 1500 years..Id say that's not my house anymore..

If the Romans kicked you out..why arent you mad at the Romans? Oh wait because they are Italian now..so it would be wrong to be mad at them..

The Crusaders kicked both Muslim and Jewish people out of Jerusalem..History speaks of a man by the name of Saladin Ayubi..who took it back from them and allowed both Christians and Jews to live in peace and visit their holy places..aslong as they pay tax...that to me is humane..and an example that should be followed.

I reckon your anger is misplaced..the Crusaders and the Nazis...not the Muslims..they are just ****** off that your kicking them out of their homes in which they have been a majority for the last few centuries. Not to mention lived peacefully with you for the majority of that time.

I believe in Peace for everyone.. If Israel would open it's borders to Muslim/Christians of every ethnicity (unfortunately we are not just arab or roman..you get black muslims/christians , white ones etc) . Than I would back your government.. My religion teaches me to respect the just ruler..

 

[Monotheist 101]

Yeah but what happens when nobobdy has enough money to buy China's crap. If the U.S. fails China essentially fails, economically speaking. China has very little "indispensable" exports. All their exports are manufacturing crap, that any other country could produce themselves.

I don't hate China, I hate Chinese government officials and Chineses business, and I hate U.S. business that export their manufacturing to China because they can pay their employees in dog poop, and put up suicide nets so you can't even take a day off work by killing yourself. And they get tax breaks. You gotta be f'n kidding me.

What worry's me more is the fact that the US dollar is not backed by Gold.. not to mention the federal reserve is privately owned. Someones making a lot of money through interest on loans made to the Government..every time the US goes to war...the general consensus among Muslims is...I don't know if that would be racist..I don't think it would..If someone told me I was good with money..Id be happy..There is a widespread belief amongst Muslims that most American corporations including the federal reserve are owned by Jews..

 

[Flankerl]

Mustard Gas against Pebbles and Stones is restraint...

Do you even know what mustard gas is? :sarcastic

 

[1robin]

What worry's me more is the fact that the US dollar is not backed by Gold.. not to mention the federal reserve is privately owned. Someones making a lot of money through interest on loans made to the Government..every time the US goes to war...the general consensus among Muslims is...I don't know if that would be racist..I don't think it would..If someone told me I was good with money..Id be happy..There is a widespread belief amongst Muslims that most American corporations including the federal reserve are owned by Jews..

Jewish people have been involved in American finance since our revolution against Britain. I doubt we would have won if not for the money they gave us. You ever wonder why Jews are so dang good with money?