Zionism

[1robin]

I meant what Native American tribe... You said you were Native American. Having a European ancestor that moved here before the US was a country doesn't make you a Native. LOL I think you need to look at the definition of Native American.

Depending on how far you go back there were no Americans, native or otherwise. In fact most of who are considered native Americans got here only hundred or so years before Europeans did and killed off whatever Indians were living on the land they wanted. The Sioux are typical. They came from Canada and killed off a half dozen tribes to take the Dakota's and unlike the European's did not ask first nor offer any compensation. The agriculturally based southwestern Indians were almost annihilated by the invading hordes or ne Indian horse cultures that lived to fight or the half Mexican half Indian latecomers that took the rest. Their were wrongs on both sides but by and large Whites made an effort to compensate Indians for land they had no better claims to than anyone else. The Indian's only legitimate claim was that the whites were far better at war than they were. The Eastern US is the only place where it gets tricky as those tribes were here much longer and did not have the same common "kill everyone else id they have anything we want" attitude most western tribes did. I am a Cherokee by the way.

 

[1robin]

Wait what happened to the Ottomons..I doubt the Jordanian took it from "no one"

Britain took over from the Ottoman's along with a large percentage of the world. How did that Island that is about the size of Florida create the greatest empire in history?

 

[Moishe3rd]

I meant what Native American tribe... You said you were Native American. Having a European ancestor that moved here before the US was a country doesn't make you a Native. LOL I think you need to look at the definition of Native American.

Lol.
Perhaps I was a bit too subtle. That was sort of my ironic point.
How long do one's ancestors have to live in one place until they are considered "native."
It appears that some folk think that 13 generations of recorded history in one place does not qualify as being a Native, whereas migrating tribes or individuals who move from area to area and have no recorded history, somehow qualify as "Native" due to.... what?

An interesting paradigm concerning the topic at hand...

 

[Moishe3rd]

Depending on how far you go back there were no Americans, native or otherwise. In fact most of who are considered native Americans got here only hundred or so years before Europeans did and killed off whatever Indians were living on the land they wanted. The Sioux are typical. They came from Canada and killed off a half dozen tribes to take the Dakota's and unlike the European's did not ask first nor offer any compensation. The agriculturally based southwestern Indians were almost annihilated by the invading hordes or ne Indian horse cultures that lived to fight or the half Mexican half Indian latecomers that took the rest. Their were wrongs on both sides but by and large Whites made an effort to compensate Indians for land they had no better claims to than anyone else. The Indian's only legitimate claim was that the whites were far better at war than they were. The Eastern US is the only place where it gets tricky as those tribes were here much longer and did not have the same common "kill everyone else id they have anything we want" attitude most western tribes did. I am a Cherokee by the way.

Well, technically speaking, according to Lakota and Dakota history, the migrating tribes came from the East and camped out on the Eastern side of the Mississippi until, first the Lakota and then the Dakota, went and tried to conquer the Plains, even as far as the Rockies.
So, they may have also migrated down from the North but, they settled for awhile on the Eastern side of the Mississippi first.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Lol.
Perhaps I was a bit too subtle. That was sort of my ironic point.
How long do one's ancestors have to live in one place until they are considered "native."
It appears that some folk think that 13 generations of recorded history in one place does not qualify as being a Native, whereas migrating tribes or individuals who move from area to area and have no recorded history, somehow qualify as "Native" due to.... what?

An interesting paradigm concerning the topic at hand...

I see what you're saying, but in this case "Native American" is the label used to described indigenous/aboriginal Americans. While you and your ancestors may be native to this country, you're not a Native.

 

[1robin]

Well, technically speaking, according to Lakota and Dakota history, the migrating tribes came from the East and camped out on the Eastern side of the Mississippi until, first the Lakota and then the Dakota, went and tried to conquer the Plains, even as far as the Rockies.
So, they may have also migrated down from the North but, they settled for awhile on the Eastern side of the Mississippi first.

Their main migration route was down the St. Lawrence river way, then along the southern edge of Lake Superior, then into the Leech lake area. I am not sure what you are contending here. My point was that the Sioux killed for the land they occupied at the time the Europeans showed up. On what basis could sitting Bull claim the whites had less right to take the land than they did. The only difference was Europeans were better at killing. An entertaining and very balanced way to get good info on the Sioux is a movie called "bury my heart at wounded knee. It covers the ups and downs of both sides.

 

[1robin]

I see what you're saying, but in this case "Native American" is the label used to described indigenous/aboriginal Americans. While you and your ancestors may be native to this country, you're not a Native.

Who are these aboriginals? There were no humans here at all until Asians migrated from Russia? Do they therefor have rights to every square foot of ground on the continent? Is the basis for land rights who called them first?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Who are these aboriginals? There were no humans here at all until Asians migrated from Russia? Do they therefor have rights to every square foot of ground on the continent? Is the basis for land rights who called them first?

I said nothing at all about land rights... I said Native American is the name of the ethnic group. Everything else is your attempt to start an argument that wasn't there.

 

[1robin]

I said nothing at all about land rights... I said Native American is the name of the ethnic group. Everything else is your attempt to start an argument that wasn't there.

Nope, I was trying to figure out just what the heck you were trying so hard to say to see if any argument existed. What aboriginals?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Nope, I was trying to figure out just what the heck you were trying so hard to say to see if any argument existed. What aboriginals?

Not gonna happen. I'm tired of trying to get through your bubble...

 

[1robin]

Not gonna happen. I'm tired of trying to get through your bubble...

My bubble? That's a new one. If you can't breech a bubble that says more about you that me.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

My bubble? That's a new one. If you can't breech a bubble that says more about you that me.

It's a bubble of pure :ignore: :ignore: :ignore:

 

[Sha'irullah]

It's a bubble of pure :ignore: :ignore: :ignore:

Stop acting immature dude :sarcastic. You have children to care for!

 

[Flankerl]

I dont even know what you people are talking about anymore. Or even why.

On one side there is 1robin of the "I stand with Israel crowd", a group of people i dont like in the slightest way.

And on the other I.S.L.A.M617 who says he supports neither side and yet still goes on and on about the whole matter.

 

[1robin]

It's a bubble of pure :ignore: :ignore: :ignore:

And your arguments are powerless to show BS is BS I assume?

 

[1robin]

I dont even know what you people are talking about anymore. Or even why.

On one side there is 1robin of the "I stand with Israel crowd", a group of people i dont like in the slightest way.

And on the other I.S.L.A.M617 who says he supports neither side and yet still goes on and on about the whole matter.

You claim to not have the slightest idea what we are talking about and then summarize it. That's bizarre.

I stand with Israel for many reasons but some of them are that in any method used to determine rights to land they have the better claim. You added that I do not like them and that does not describe my position at all. I do like them as they have acted far more honorably than any group in the entire region. They also have the most interesting history of any people I know of. I meant all that in a general way. Your summary of ISLAMs position is consistent with my opinion on it.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Not taking a side doesn't mean I don't have opinions about both sides.

 

[1robin]

Not taking a side doesn't mean I don't have opinions about both sides.

Neither sufficiently justified.

 

[SheikhHorusFromTheSky]

For or Against?

I am opposed to Zionism for 2 reasons:

1)The only reason the Jews were given Israel was because they were oppressed by the Nazis. I find it hypocritical that they would turn around and do essentially the same thing to the Palestinians.

2)Zionism claims that Israel belongs to the Jews by right of birth, but the majority of displaced Jews in Israel are of European descent and just happen to follow the Jewish religion. They have no more of a "blood" claim to Israel than I do.

I most definitely agree with you, God. And I have tons of information that will prove you right.

Israeli Crimes against Humanity: Targeting Palestinian Children with
Israel’s War Crimes Against Humanity

These European Jews are even hostile to Ethiopian Jews, Sephardic Jews, and even their own citizens alike.
Shocking Decline in Ethiopian Israeli Birthrate – Rasta Livewire
Racist Israelis against African Jews – Rasta Livewire
Ethiopian Jews Denounce Systemic Israeli Racism – Rasta Livewire
Chamish: Zionists Poisoned/Radiated 100k Jewish Children Zionists Poisoned/Radiated 100,000 Sefardi Jewish Children

 

[Levite]

I most definitely agree with you, God. And I have tons of information that will prove you right.

Israeli Crimes against Humanity: Targeting Palestinian Children with
Israel’s War Crimes Against Humanity

These European Jews are even hostile to Ethiopian Jews, Sephardic Jews, and even their own citizens alike.
Shocking Decline in Ethiopian Israeli Birthrate – Rasta Livewire
Racist Israelis against African Jews – Rasta Livewire
Ethiopian Jews Denounce Systemic Israeli Racism – Rasta Livewire
Chamish: Zionists Poisoned/Radiated 100k Jewish Children Zionists Poisoned/Radiated 100,000 Sefardi Jewish Children

That is an impressive array of hate literature and propaganda.