1robin
Christian/Baptist
I have a degree in math and spent many semester hours doing stats. I know how predictability works and that is not the issue. The issue is I made comments in a context, that were taken out of context. Fine, I am used to that tactic, I explained the context and corrected for clarity.Sorry it doesn't work that way. You are the one taking predictability out of context of what the word actually means and applying some mystical bent to it, as if 'predicting' something you'd like to point out is magical, but something easlily predicted that I point to is mundane.
Claims about future none repetitious and detailed events have no known natural source in the context I was making the claims in. No atom in the universe knows what your grand children's jobs will be.
Yes predicting repetitive, easily predictable, cyclical events are mundane. I would have thought that obvious, in fact I did. I should have known nothing is granted no matter how obvious if inconvenient.
That makes no sense. Making logical deductions from evidence has nothing to do with predicting events and details that are unknowable by deduction hundreds of years from now.I know absolutly nothing about you, but I predict you have no higher education, you are married and at home all day without employment, and you have 3 children. If I'm right does that make me a mystic? If I make the same prediction about everyone that frequents this site, I guarantee you I will be correct at least a few times. That in it self is a prediction, and I'm about 98% it is correct.
Let me officially distinguish between what your doing a prophecy. Prophecy is independent of probability, known or reliable predictions derived from evidence, or cyclic recurrence. Predictions are the exact opposite.
There is no evidence on your side. There was no evidence of predictability that a messiah would be born of a virgin, die on a cross, and be offered gall many years before he existed. You are hiding in semantics. This is the tactic of a man who wants to get a guilty client declared innocence by procedure instead of truth. I am exhausted with this tactic. You know exactly the difference between predictions about cyclical things and probability but are using technicality as a shield. This like my lawyer example is evidence you care about winning word fight not resolving truth.The fact that you'd like to use a word in a special way to make you point but discount it when you are not able to discuss the word in a meaningful way indicates you argue from your conclusion down, rather than evidence up.
I know far more about Tyre than most. I defend it constantly. Do you really want to get into it? Do not agree if you are going to bail or punt. This will get very sophisticated and require time, and it will demonstrate without doubt that no natural explanation is a fit for the prophecy. As I said the conservative odds were established at greater than 70,000 to 1 of a lucky or even a reasoned guess. I suggest we let Tyre (one of the most criticized prophecies in the bible) settle this. I claim there is no justification for suggesting a natural explanation is even as remotely as logical as a supernatural one. Do you accept?You do realize that Tyre withstood Nebuchadrezzar's siege for 13 years, ending in a compromise in which the royal family was taken into exile but the city survived intact. In fact Tyre stands and has been continually inhabited to this day . Ezekiel predicted that the city of Tyre would be utterly destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar and "made a bare rock" that will "never be rebuilt"
I have not attempted to . It is an obvious fact hat I will demonstrate if you accept my challenge but as no single prophecy has been chosen I can't very well prove 2000 of them. The details of WW2 were not predicted as the details of Tyre were. I really wish you would stop equating things that are not remotely equal.First you haven't demonstrated any meaninful degree of accurate prophecy in the bible. Second, you presume to know the vastness of all the natural has to offer? Third, wars have been predicted with accuracy for millenia. WWII was predicted before the last shot was fired in WWI. The civil war was predicted long before it took place. The american revolution was predicted. The spanish-american war was predicted. And so on and so on.
The claim about my knowledge of the totality of nature is fair so let me clarify. There is no known natural explanation for biblical prophecy. Good enough?
No it is not. I did not say prediction, I said prophecy.The natural is virtualy never used as an explanation for prophecy? LOL! No, the natural is allmost 100% universally used as an explanation for every accurate prediciton made. From the rising of the sun, to the travel time from New York to London. The next president. The time for a baseball to dropped from a building to reach the ground.
Biblical prophecy is this: To predict with assurance or on the basis of mystic knowledge. Predictions are not that. Predictions are deductions made from circumstances, current or past evidence, and probability based on cyclic data.
That was 100% contrived out of this air and is not even a coherent statement.The natural provides a billion fold increase in predictability over the bible or any supernatural means.
I do not want to get bogged down in semantic triviality. The challenge what best explains the prophecy of Tyre as a source. Accept? To give you some hope, of all biblical prophecies it is among the few that even have a partial natural potential at all. Most can't be naturally derived form anything known about nature.