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Zoroastrianism: And the promised Shah-Bahram

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Zoroastrianism: And the promised Shah-Bahram

“When a thousand two hundred and some years have passed from the inception of the religion of the Arabian and the overthrow of the kingdom of Iran and the degradation of the followers of My religion, a descendant of the Iranian kings will be raised up as a Prophet” (Zoroaster, Dinkird)
https://iranian.com/main/blog/faryarm/zoroastrian-prophecies.html
http://www.maitreya.org/english/PZoroaster-Judaism.htm
Has the Promised Shah-Bahram come? Who is he and how? Please
Regards

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The thread was conceptualized from the following post:
#93 arthra
 

MD

qualiaphile
Zoroastrianism: And the promised Shah-Bahram

“When a thousand two hundred and some years have passed from the inception of the religion of the Arabian and the overthrow of the kingdom of Iran and the degradation of the followers of My religion, a descendant of the Iranian kings will be raised up as a Prophet” (Zoroaster, Dinkird)
https://iranian.com/main/blog/faryarm/zoroastrian-prophecies.html
http://www.maitreya.org/english/PZoroaster-Judaism.htm
Has the Promised Shah-Bahram come? Who is he and how? Please
Regards

_____________
The thread was conceptualized from the following post:
#93 arthra

You need to source this. I am pretty sure this is a fake

For one the Denkard is not religious scripture.
For two it was written in the 10th century AD, Zoroasters teachings were in the 15th century BC
For three this is incompatible with Zoroaster's teachings.
For four there is no way Zoroaster knew about the Arab faith to come 2000 years after his death
And finally, it looks like Baha'i propaganda to me
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
You need to source this. I am pretty sure this is a fake

For one the Denkard is not religious scripture.
For two it was written in the 10th century AD, Zoroasters teachings were in the 15th century BC
For three this is incompatible with Zoroaster's teachings.
For four there is no way Zoroaster knew about the Arab faith to come 2000 years after his death
And finally, it looks like Baha'i propaganda to me
Many Zoroastrians consider Denkard* to be a compendium of the Mazdaen Zoroastrian beliefs and customs:

The Dēnkard[pronunciation?] or Dēnkart (Middle Persian: "Acts of Religion") is a 10th-century compendium of the Mazdaen Zoroastrian beliefs and customs. The Denkard is to a great extent an "Encyclopedia of Mazdaism"[1] and is a most valuable source of information on the religion. The Denkard is not itself considered scripture.
Denkard - Wikipedia
Please
Regards

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*Denkard/Dinkard
Zoroastrianism Introduction Simplified. Zoroastrian, Zoroaster, Zarathushtra, Zarathustra, Mazdayasni, Mazdayasna
 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Many Zoroastrians consider Denkard* to be a compendium of the Mazdaen Zoroastrian beliefs and customs:

"The Dēnkard[pronunciation?] or Dēnkart (Middle Persian: "Acts of Religion") is a 10th-century compendium of the Mazdaen Zoroastrian beliefs and customs. The Denkard is to a great extent an "Encyclopedia of Mazdaism"[1] and is a most valuable source of information on the religion. The Denkard is not itself considered scripture."
Denkard - Wikipedia
Please
Regards

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*Denkard/Dinkard
Zoroastrianism Introduction Simplified. Zoroastrian, Zoroaster, Zarathushtra, Zarathustra, Mazdayasni, Mazdayasna
Further information:

"The DENKARD is a ninth century encyclopedia of the Zoroastrian religion, but with extensive quotes from materials thousands of years older, including (otherwise) lost Avestan texts. It is the single most valuable source of information on this religion aside from the Avesta."
Denkard -- A 9th Century compendium of Zoroastrian wisdom
Regards
 

MD

qualiaphile
Many Zoroastrians consider Denkard* to be a compendium of the Mazdaen Zoroastrian beliefs and customs:

The Dēnkard[pronunciation?] or Dēnkart (Middle Persian: "Acts of Religion") is a 10th-century compendium of the Mazdaen Zoroastrian beliefs and customs. The Denkard is to a great extent an "Encyclopedia of Mazdaism"[1] and is a most valuable source of information on the religion. The Denkard is not itself considered scripture.
Denkard - Wikipedia
Please
Regards

____________
*Denkard/Dinkard
Zoroastrianism Introduction Simplified. Zoroastrian, Zoroaster, Zarathushtra, Zarathustra, Mazdayasni, Mazdayasna

If you read what you posted, it specifically says the Denkard is not scripture
 

MD

qualiaphile
Further information:

"The DENKARD is a ninth century encyclopedia of the Zoroastrian religion, but with extensive quotes from materials thousands of years older, including (otherwise) lost Avestan texts. It is the single most valuable source of information on this religion aside from the Avesta."
Denkard -- A 9th Century compendium of Zoroastrian wisdom
Regards

From Zoroastrian - Prophecies - Mission of Maitreya

* The authenticity of this quotation/prophecy has been called into question. We have been made aware of accusations that it was fabricated by some Baha'is to use as foretelling the coming of Bab/Baha'u'llah, and have been unable to independently verify it. We do not want to include any false prophecies in our website to support our claim. However, we have had other prophecies challenged which were later confirmed to be authentic. Therefore, we have decided to leave this prophecy up unless it is conclusively proven to us that it is false. If you know whether or not this is truly a Zoroastrian prophecy, or have any further information about this quote, please let us know: [email protected]

To add to the above, we received the following email from a disciple who attempted to authenticate the prophecy: "I ... cannot find any way to verify the prophecy. The Bahais also say the prophecy cannot be verified at this time and some accuse the Bahais of making-up the prophecy. No one can find out where the prophecy comes from, not even with the source that was given: 'Zoroaster, Dinkird.' But, despite not being able to find the source of the prophecy, ie, the Dinkird (more commonly pronounced: Denkard/Denkart) the Denkard is just an old Zoroastrian encyclopedia and not considered authentic scripture anyways. Authentic Zoroastrian scripture would be the Gathas. Here is a quote, to help put the prophecy in a little light, from someone in a blog forum that explains what my conclusions were: the person is responding to the aforementioned prophecy that was posted in that blog forum: 'Find me your passage in it. There is no such passage. Besides [that] the Denkard/Denkart is a late Zoroastrian text from the tenth century during the Islamic period. It is not scripture in the same way that the Gathas are and it is not part of the Avesta (i.e. Yasna, Visperad, Vendidad, Siroza, etc). Denkard/Denkart is a late Zoroastrian encyclopedia, and that is all.' The prophecy cannot be verified at this time is my conclusion. ... The prophecy is talking about the Saoshyant (savior). Although the Saoshyant ideas came later in, the Saoshyant is more authentic than the mentioned prophecy because it comes from the Zoroastrian text Zand-i Vohuman Yasht. As said, the prophecy in question says it is from an encyclopedia but, at that, it still cannot be found in that encyclopedia called Denkard. The prophecy seems to come out of nowhere."
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
From Zoroastrian - Prophecies - Mission of Maitreya

* The authenticity of this quotation/prophecy has been called into question. We have been made aware of accusations that it was fabricated by some Baha'is to use as foretelling the coming of Bab/Baha'u'llah, and have been unable to independently verify it. We do not want to include any false prophecies in our website to support our claim. However, we have had other prophecies challenged which were later confirmed to be authentic. Therefore, we have decided to leave this prophecy up unless it is conclusively proven to us that it is false. If you know whether or not this is truly a Zoroastrian prophecy, or have any further information about this quote, please let us know: [email protected]

To add to the above, we received the following email from a disciple who attempted to authenticate the prophecy: "I ... cannot find any way to verify the prophecy. The Bahais also say the prophecy cannot be verified at this time and some accuse the Bahais of making-up the prophecy. No one can find out where the prophecy comes from, not even with the source that was given: 'Zoroaster, Dinkird.' But, despite not being able to find the source of the prophecy, ie, the Dinkird (more commonly pronounced: Denkard/Denkart) the Denkard is just an old Zoroastrian encyclopedia and not considered authentic scripture anyways. Authentic Zoroastrian scripture would be the Gathas. Here is a quote, to help put the prophecy in a little light, from someone in a blog forum that explains what my conclusions were: the person is responding to the aforementioned prophecy that was posted in that blog forum: 'Find me your passage in it. There is no such passage. Besides [that] the Denkard/Denkart is a late Zoroastrian text from the tenth century during the Islamic period. It is not scripture in the same way that the Gathas are and it is not part of the Avesta (i.e. Yasna, Visperad, Vendidad, Siroza, etc). Denkard/Denkart is a late Zoroastrian encyclopedia, and that is all.' The prophecy cannot be verified at this time is my conclusion. ... The prophecy is talking about the Saoshyant (savior). Although the Saoshyant ideas came later in, the Saoshyant is more authentic than the mentioned prophecy because it comes from the Zoroastrian text Zand-i Vohuman Yasht. As said, the prophecy in question says it is from an encyclopedia but, at that, it still cannot be found in that encyclopedia called Denkard. The prophecy seems to come out of nowhere."
We look forward to our Bahai friend @arthra for the Bahai point of view vide post #212 , please.
Regards
 
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