Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
After the October 7th Hamas attack on Israel there seems to be little clarity on the issue of Israel's response. Over 1200 people were murdered, over 3000 rockets were launched into Israel, over 200 Israeli and foreign hostages were taken, women were raped until they died and paraded around as trophies and over 30 children were murdered to just name a few of the atrocities committed by Hamas and other groups. These groups have the purpose of destroying Israel and its people as repeatedly stated by their leaders, Israel wants to be left alone to exist. It is now near 90% of the Palestinians support Hamas and 75% supported Hamas prior to the Oct 7th attack.
Israel and Hamas are not morally equivalent. Israel is the only free country in the region that is dominated by dictatorships and theocracies. In Israel, everyone is free to express their views, to criticize their government and to hold free elections. Any Palestinian that cares about human rights should be fighting to oust their own despotic rulers and adopt a free society like Israel. Free countries always are more moral than non-free countries. No one has a moral right to found or run a country on oppression and dictatorship.
The land Israel is “occupying” was captured in a war initiated by its neighbors. They have the right to control the land necessary to safeguard itself against an attack. If Hamas is left alone, they will attack Israel again and again. They have said so, they must be destroyed. If Israel puts down their weapons, it would not exist it would be destroyed by Hamas/Iran, If Hamas put down their weapons there would be peace. This is not a dispute about land or Arab vs Jew, it is a conflict of values. One side has dictatorships, oppression and terror, the other side has reason, independent judiciary, and individual freedoms etc. Hamas wants a state, not to spread freedom, but to establish a dictatorship based in oppressive religious ideology. If Israel is destroyed, there will be less freedom and more oppression in the region.
A Palestinian state run by Hamas would be a training ground for terror in Israel, US and other western states. It is not just about land, it is about ideologies and what is the correct one. The demand for Israel to negotiate or cease the war against Hamas is immoral and not realistic to maintain long term peace. When the nazis were allowed to take over Czechoslovakia as an appeasement it encouraged Hitler to start a world war. If there is a Hamas lead Palestinian state they will not be satisfied with that, they have stated they want the destruction of the west, not just Israel.
If the US (Biden) stops Israel from destroying Hamas, how can we ever justify retaliation against our own enemies? The only means we have to achieve peace in the region is to uphold the principles of a free society which entails destroying terrorism and terrorist organizations like Hamas. What other country was pressured to not retaliate against a country that sent over 300 projectiles into its borders? Was England pressured to not retaliate against German bombings? Was the US pressured not to retaliate against the Japanese bombings? Why is Israel being pressured to not retaliate against Iran? Was Ukraine ever asked to not retaliate against Russia? Israel is being asked to do something no other country has ever been asked to do. That is to not retaliate after another country/group attacked them. Israel does more than any other country to try not to kill civilians, Hamas uses their own people as shields which is despicable.
Ismail Haniyeh, Oct 7th 2023:
“Today, the enemy has had a political, military, intelligence, security and moral defeat inflicted upon it, and we shall crown it, with the grace of God, with a crushing defeat that will expel it from our lands, our holy city of Al-Quds, our Al-Aqsa mosque, and the release of our prisoners from the jails of the Zionist occupation. Operation Al-Aqsa Flood was launched from Gaza, but it will extend to the West Bank, to Al-Quds and to our people within the territories occupied in 1948, as well as to the Resistance and the Palestinian people abroad.
“Our objective is clear: we want to liberate our land, our holy sites, our Al-Aqsa mosque, our prisoners. We have no hesitation about this. This is the goal that is worthy of this battle, worthy of this heroism, worthy of this courage. Al-Qassam Brigades made the enemy lose its balance in just a few minutes, with this grand and blessed incursion; with this epic presence of men who write history with their blood and their guns; with their footsteps that crush the occupying invaders. And we say to all countries, including our beloved Arab countries: you must know that this entity which is incapable of protecting itself from our fighters is incapable of providing you with security or protection. All the normalization and recognition processes, all the agreements that have been signed can never put an end to this battle.”
Israel and Hamas are not morally equivalent. Israel is the only free country in the region that is dominated by dictatorships and theocracies. In Israel, everyone is free to express their views, to criticize their government and to hold free elections. Any Palestinian that cares about human rights should be fighting to oust their own despotic rulers and adopt a free society like Israel. Free countries always are more moral than non-free countries. No one has a moral right to found or run a country on oppression and dictatorship.
The land Israel is “occupying” was captured in a war initiated by its neighbors. They have the right to control the land necessary to safeguard itself against an attack. If Hamas is left alone, they will attack Israel again and again. They have said so, they must be destroyed. If Israel puts down their weapons, it would not exist it would be destroyed by Hamas/Iran, If Hamas put down their weapons there would be peace. This is not a dispute about land or Arab vs Jew, it is a conflict of values. One side has dictatorships, oppression and terror, the other side has reason, independent judiciary, and individual freedoms etc. Hamas wants a state, not to spread freedom, but to establish a dictatorship based in oppressive religious ideology. If Israel is destroyed, there will be less freedom and more oppression in the region.
A Palestinian state run by Hamas would be a training ground for terror in Israel, US and other western states. It is not just about land, it is about ideologies and what is the correct one. The demand for Israel to negotiate or cease the war against Hamas is immoral and not realistic to maintain long term peace. When the nazis were allowed to take over Czechoslovakia as an appeasement it encouraged Hitler to start a world war. If there is a Hamas lead Palestinian state they will not be satisfied with that, they have stated they want the destruction of the west, not just Israel.
If the US (Biden) stops Israel from destroying Hamas, how can we ever justify retaliation against our own enemies? The only means we have to achieve peace in the region is to uphold the principles of a free society which entails destroying terrorism and terrorist organizations like Hamas. What other country was pressured to not retaliate against a country that sent over 300 projectiles into its borders? Was England pressured to not retaliate against German bombings? Was the US pressured not to retaliate against the Japanese bombings? Why is Israel being pressured to not retaliate against Iran? Was Ukraine ever asked to not retaliate against Russia? Israel is being asked to do something no other country has ever been asked to do. That is to not retaliate after another country/group attacked them. Israel does more than any other country to try not to kill civilians, Hamas uses their own people as shields which is despicable.
Ismail Haniyeh, Oct 7th 2023:
“Today, the enemy has had a political, military, intelligence, security and moral defeat inflicted upon it, and we shall crown it, with the grace of God, with a crushing defeat that will expel it from our lands, our holy city of Al-Quds, our Al-Aqsa mosque, and the release of our prisoners from the jails of the Zionist occupation. Operation Al-Aqsa Flood was launched from Gaza, but it will extend to the West Bank, to Al-Quds and to our people within the territories occupied in 1948, as well as to the Resistance and the Palestinian people abroad.
“Our objective is clear: we want to liberate our land, our holy sites, our Al-Aqsa mosque, our prisoners. We have no hesitation about this. This is the goal that is worthy of this battle, worthy of this heroism, worthy of this courage. Al-Qassam Brigades made the enemy lose its balance in just a few minutes, with this grand and blessed incursion; with this epic presence of men who write history with their blood and their guns; with their footsteps that crush the occupying invaders. And we say to all countries, including our beloved Arab countries: you must know that this entity which is incapable of protecting itself from our fighters is incapable of providing you with security or protection. All the normalization and recognition processes, all the agreements that have been signed can never put an end to this battle.”