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Mediaevals Can't Do Perspecti--

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
And why do they all look like cartoo--



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Giotto
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Samael_Khan

Goosebender
As we all know, humans aren't good at perspective. It takes us a while to get it right.

That being said, we make fun of them in hindset, but before those someone understood the art concept of perspective and everybody sponged off that persons new perspective, we woukd have been drawing stick figures still.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member

Mediaevals Can't Do Perspecti--​

And why do they all look like cartoo--


I've heard a few reasons.

The techniques we understand for drawing in perspective were not fully realised back then.

They were not particularly concerned with realism. The emphasis was on decorative and symbolic imagry.

In an attempt to obey the biblical ban on graven images they shuned 3D as not godly
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member

Mediaevals Can't Do Perspecti--​

And why do they all look like cartoo--


I've heard a few reasons.

The techniques we understand for drawing in perspective were not fully realised back then.

They were not particularly concerned with realism. The emphasis was on decorative and symbolic imagry.

In an attempt to obey the biblical ban on graven images they shuned 3D as not godly
For goodness sake. Lol.

The images are Mediaeval and show good use of perspective.

That's my point :disappointed: :D

It wasn't that they couldn't do it, it is that they chose not to most of the time.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
As we all know, humans aren't good at perspective. It takes us a while to get it right.

That being said, we make fun of them in hindset, but before those someone understood the art concept of perspective and everybody sponged off that persons new perspective, we woukd have been drawing stick figures still.
The first time I recall noticing the two-dimensialism was at an art museum in Venice. It all seemed ... well, flat.

I still don't understand the phrase: "before those someone understood the art concept of perspective ..." Why should the concept of realism be so elusive?
 

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
Medieval people can't draw lots of things

I mean what is this supposed to be?????

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Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
It wasn't that they couldn't do it, it is that they chose not to most of the time.
But why? And where do we see examples of the early art done the remainder of the time?

Furthermore, correctly or incorrectly I associate "medieval" with Europe, but do we not see the same thing in early Chinese and Japanese art?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
For goodness sake. Lol.

The images are Mediaeval and show good use of perspective.

That's my point :disappointed: :D

It wasn't that they couldn't do it, it is that they chose not to most of the time.


Most of the time.
It also depended on the time period, artist, and location
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
But why? And where do we see examples of the early art done the remainder of the time?

Furthermore, correctly or incorrectly I associate "medieval" with Europe, but do we not see the same thing in early Chinese and Japanese art?
This was meant to be a fun thread.

I gave an example of Mediaeval art that uses 'proper' perspective that moderns like and people just didn't get it?

Early examples I haven't found as drawings appear to be based on Roman mosaics, so we'd expect to see 2D faces and their theology forbade them from making images realistic (icon theology). Taking that to mean they couldn't use realism is not warranted, as we see realism in statuary.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
That doesn't mean that I shouldn't (a) muse out loud, and/or (b) let the topic motivate me to learn something. So, for example, I've just come across The History of Perspective. Thanks. :)
This seems to be talking about perfect realism. This isn't my point here. My point here is that Mediaevals could paint in 3D even if it's not 'perfect'.

I just bristle at the idea that Mediaeval art is somehow inferior because it prefers 2D. It's missing a whole era of wonderful art and suggests art somehow 'progresses', which is... absurd.
 
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