Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

[savagewind]

When prophets came to set matters strait between God and the people their job was not to denigrate anyone. Their job was the opposite of that.

 

[MikeSavage]

'Denigrate' comes from Latin and is a compound of the prefix 'de' and the root 'nigrare'. In Middle English to denigrate meant to blacken something, like burning some toast or a roast. The modern term has to do with reputations not physical objects. To denigrate someone is to attempt to harm their reputation. It is pretty close to saying 'Tarnish', which was originally a word having to do with the blackening of silver articles. The main difference is that a tarnished reputation is one where an individual has through inaction allowed harm to come to their reputation over time, while denigrating a reputation is an active process. One cannot 'Tarnish' another's reputation, only 'Denigrate' it.

It is true that you have attempted to explain to me that my belief in the one true faith is faulty. My reason for commenting on these blog sites is to find those who honestly have a desire to draw close to Jehovah God. I do not ever try to convince anyone of anything, change one's thinking, or entice anyone. They must honestly want to know the truth of what God has to tell us. If they do, I enjoy helping them to know some of those truths. Otherwise, there is no reason to discuss any of this. It doesn't help anyone. You will never be able to cause me to abandon my love for and belief in Jehovah. I will never be able to cause you to believe anything either. It is up to you and God Himself. I am nothing but an avenue for honest hearted ones to draw close to Him. If your desire isn't an honest desire to draw close to God and learn what He wants us to know, then we don't have anything to discuss. I don't detect that honest desire in you. Please stop trying to draw me away from God. You haven't a chance of ever doing that. You are wasting your time. Religion has too strong of a hold on your beliefs.

 

[Brickjectivity]

It is true that you have attempted to explain to me that my belief in the one true faith is faulty.

I don't think we have exchanged words before. I could be mistaken.

My reason for commenting on these blog sites is to find those who honestly have a desire to draw close to Jehovah God.

Because they are so hard to find. Don't do what Jesus did by picking random strangers. That will only end in heartbreak. Seek out those who are sincere. Abandon those who prove they don't love the truth and cut them off.

It is up to you and God Himself. I am nothing but an avenue for honest hearted ones to draw close to Him. If your desire isn't an honest desire to draw close to God and learn what He wants us to know

I prefer the people who don't believe in truth at all, since they appreciate truth the most. I will take those people and you can take all of the honest ones. Its a deal!

 

[savagewind]

I disagree completely. The witnesses have constantly striven to refine their understanding of the scriptures. In the past they have believed things, that after much additional scrutiny, have had a better understanding of them, and realized that they were not quite correct on some things. They constantly work very hard to completely understand, accurately, what each word of the scriptures means. What God intended to impart to us. Their understanding is not tainted by religion, all of which is called false in the scriptures. Their understanding comes ONLY from studying the scriptures constantly, over and over, and cross comparing them to all other scriptures, and coming to as complete an understanding as can be attained by men, guided by holy spirit. They are as imperfect as all other human beings. Are you claiming that you are not imperfect?

That phrase you used

They constantly work very hard to completely understand, accurately, what each word of the scriptures means.

means they interpret it.

One shouldn't read into something what isn't there. Assuming things is guessing, just like interpreting things is guessing, unless you are a vernacular interpreter. Spanish into English, and so on. Interpreting scriptures is never correct. Interpreting what someone meant never is correct either. What someone says, is what they meant.

 

[savagewind]

Is interpreting scripture correct (because it is what the gb do), never correct, or correct for only some people?

 

[savagewind]

I think questions cannot be classed as "argument".

Argument

 

[MikeSavage]

That phrase you used means they interpret it.

Actually no, it does not mean that at all. It means they work very hard to refine their understanding. It requires relying on the fact that Jehovah cannot lie. All scriptures must be taken in context, and all scriptures must be compared to all other scriptures that refer to the same thing, or principle. Holy spirit is constantly helping them, and us, to more fully understand the meanings. Many things don't get revealed until it is their time. It is a constant process. It is not interpretation. Interpretation is guessing. It is relying on one's own understanding, and God said that we should not do that ever. We must constantly work to understand how He thinks regarding anything. We are all imperfect humans. No one is perfect, there were only three of them. Adam, Eve, and Jesus. The first two are sleeping in death. The third is now sitting King of Jehovah's Kingdom, and is the head of the Christian Congregation, and will soon take over the complete ruling of Earth. We are all awaiting that assumption of rulership, when all Earthly governments, and all religions, and all those destroying the Earth are wiped away like dust. It's not easy, but it's a great pleasure to do these things.

 

[InChrist]

You have misunderstood many things. And nowhere does it say that all of the annointed, the first of which were Jesus' apostles, were all faithful Christians. The 12,000 from each tribe of Israel isn't literal either, as the Levites weren't included. They were God's alone for tending to the tent of meeting, and had no inheritance that the other tribes had. It is necessary to study God's word, in context, and comparing each to each other scripture, keeping in mind that God cannot lie.

So are you saying that the Watchtower teaches that some of the anointed are unfaithful followers of Jesus Christ?

I agree that God cannot lie, but I think it is the Watchtower that is lying. The Lord God has made it very clear in His word, specifically listing, who the 144.000 are...

And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:
of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed. Revelation 7:4-8

 

[savagewind]

Actually no, it does not mean that at all. It means they work very hard to refine their understanding. It requires relying on the fact that Jehovah cannot lie. All scriptures must be taken in context, and all scriptures must be compared to all other scriptures that refer to the same thing, or principle. Holy spirit is constantly helping them, and us, to more fully understand the meanings. Many things don't get revealed until it is their time. It is a constant process. It is not interpretation. Interpretation is guessing. It is relying on one's own understanding, and God said that we should not do that ever. We must constantly work to understand how He thinks regarding anything. We are all imperfect humans. No one is perfect, there were only three of them. Adam, Eve, and Jesus. The first two are sleeping in death. The third is now sitting King of Jehovah's Kingdom, and is the head of the Christian Congregation, and will soon take over the complete ruling of Earth. We are all awaiting that assumption of rulership, when all Earthly governments, and all religions, and all those destroying the Earth are wiped away like dust. It's not easy, but it's a great pleasure to do these things.

That is a fine post and it might even be true but I think you should know it is THEY who are informing you to think that way.

 

[MikeSavage]

So are you saying that the Watchtower teaches that some of the anointed are unfaithful followers of Jesus Christ?

I agree that God cannot lie, but I think it is the Watchtower that is lying. The Lord God has made it very clear in His word, specifically listing, who the 144.000 are...

And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:
of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed. Revelation 7:4-8

It is pretty much metaphorical, as the annointed 144,000 are comprised not just of Israel, but of SPIRITUAL ISRAEL. Jews and gentiles and peoples of all nations and tongues. Why would a magazine lie? You're weird. A magazine that is secular, or is of religion (which the scriptures say are all false) would lie about lots of things. But a magazine that focuses solely on the inspired word of God lying? You nuts or what? Everything in those magazines is COMPLETELY SCRIPTURALLY ACCURATE. Essentially, you are sayiing that God lies. Your prejudice comes from false religion. Can you not think without a religion influencing what you think? If not, you are in deep doo doo. Many false religions pay apostates to the one true faith to speak to their misled congregations, paying them lots of money, to lie about God's Earthly organization. The ONLY group of people fulfilling Matthew 24:14 and the ONLY people on Earth doing God's will. It is apparent that you do not do God's will, because you do NOT take in ACCURATE knowledge of God the Almighty daily. You may possibly take in information daily, but it's not accurate.
Jesus began the Christian Congregation in 33 C.E. and it continues to this day, and is known as Jehovah's Witnesses. They didn't need any legal name then, as no absurd government of man required it. Today it is required. It's a LEGAL requirement to be allowed to exist and function. That same congregation is as hated and reviled and persecuted as was Jesus and the first of the annointed members of the congregation. Nothing has changed, except that many many more have turned their backs on Jehovah, and have instead turned to false religions. Sad but true. Of course, this gets your blood pressure up, because you can't admit being lied to. You are not humble enough for that, even though the inspired word of God tells us TO be completely humble. You probably can't accept that what you've believed, even though it's completely false, is actually a pack of lies. Oh well. Your destruction, not mine.

 

[savagewind]

Who do you say " must constantly work to understnad how He thinks regarding anything"? We? Really? Is that what you believe? Who is working for the things you understand? You? You work to understand what is in the Watchtower. Are you allowed to work to understand what is in the Bible?

 

[savagewind]

People who believe what someone else tells them about their personal relationship with God is eating the food of Pharisees.

 

[MikeSavage]

Who do you say " must constantly work to understnad how He thinks regarding anything"? We? Really? Is that what you believe? Who is working for the things you understand? You? You work to understand what is in the Watchtower. Are you allowed to work to understand what is in the Bible?

We all must do that.

 

[MikeSavage]

We all must do that.

What do you mean "allowed"? What kind of question is that. We all are REQUIRED to work daily to understand what the word of God says/means and to understand how God thinks about everything. The scriptures tell us this many times. Are you unaware of the requirement God has for us? If so, you should study and learn more. Daily. Your life depends upon it.

 

[savagewind]

We all must do that.

We all must do what? Must we work hard to understand the Bible or the Watchtower?

 

[MikeSavage]

We all must do what? Must we work hard to understand the Bible or the Watchtower?

Are you ok?

 

[savagewind]

What do you mean "allowed"? What kind of question is that. We all are REQUIRED to work daily to understand what the word of God says/means and to understand how God thinks about everything. The scriptures tell us this many times. Are you unaware of the requirement God has for us? If so, you should study and learn more. Daily. Your life depends upon it.

Are you "allowed" by your congregation to have a difference of opinion of Bible scripture?

 

[savagewind]

Are you ok?

I think so. How am I suppose to know how I relate to the universe??????? I am not God!

 

[MikeSavage]

Are you "allowed" by your congregation to have a difference of opinion of Bible scripture?

Why do you ask such rediculous questions? And I do mean REDICULOUS.

 

[savagewind]

If a person is not allowed to understand the Bible different than the faithful and discreet slave then you are not allowed to study the Bible to "see if these things are true". You do not "search for understanding". It does.