Do christians go straight to heaven upon their deaths?

[Yes]

sincerly said: ↑
Yes, when you look at those verses closely, you will notice that Jesus isn't bringing "spirits" with HIM , but all the Holy Angels. Matt.25:31-34



True. However, that doesn't change Matt.25:31-35

Look at Matt.27:50-53, "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."
These were the fruit of the Resurrection Jesus would accomplish of those who sleep in the grave.
Jesus had just died and those Dead Saints were raised from the grave---NOT brought down from heaven.

The scripture does not say they did not come from heaven.

You are fighting against Jesus who acknowledged Lazarus as being in the sleep of death. ---which all mortals will die.(First death)

Where do you get that sleeping is an unconscious death?

Our "spirit " is the "ruwach" (Hebrew)= breath of life.
When GOD takes back the "breath of life", one is left a "dead" pile of dust.
It is only at the second coming that the redeemed/righteous mankind will again have "life" and this time "put on immortality"/everlasting life".

God's breath is our spirit. Our breath is our breath. Our breath leaves when the spirit God gave us leaves after the death of our bodies. God's breath and our breath are not the same thing.

 

[sincerly]

The scripture does not say they did not come from heaven.

YES, Right!, When Jesus comes again, HE will not be "bringing disembodied, previously living persons" with HIM from heaven. Because those dead and return(ed)(ing) to dust people will be resurrected from the grave(place where had been placed until this event would take place.)

Where do you get that sleeping is an unconscious death?

Do you not believe Jesus? John 11:11-17, Jesus spoke of Lazarus's death of four days as being asleep. Then when the disciples thought HE meant just taking a rest HE plainly said, " He is dead."

At the appropriate resurrection, all in the graves(dead). will be awakened from the sleep of death to life by Jesus.

God's breath is our spirit. Our breath is our breath. Our breath leaves when the spirit God gave us leaves after the death of our bodies. God's breath and our breath are not the same thing.

Yes, Life is GOD'S. Loaned to us during this living period. GOD requires it to be returned upon one's death. However, the redeemed obedient will be issued a permanent Everlasting Life to enter into the Kingdom of heaven possessing.

 

[Yes]

YES, Right!, When Jesus comes again, HE will not be "bringing disembodied, previously living persons" with HIM from heaven. Because those dead and return(ed)(ing) to dust people will be resurrected from the grave(place where had been placed until this event would take place.)

You misunderstood me.
I said the scripture does NOT say they did NOT come from heaven.

Do you not believe Jesus? John 11:11-17, Jesus spoke of Lazarus's death of four days as being asleep. Then when the disciples thought HE meant just taking a rest HE plainly said, " He is dead."

Where do you get that sleeping is an unconscious death? When you sleep, you are not unconscious.

Yes, Life is GOD'S. Loaned to us during this living period. GOD requires it to be returned upon one's death. However, the redeemed obedient will be issued a permanent Everlasting Life to enter into the Kingdom of heaven possessing.

You say that God’s breath is our breath, but that is not true. When my physical body stops breathing, stops living…then my spirit goes back to God.
God’s breath gave me a spirit. My breath is only that…my breathing in oxygen, and breathing out carbon dioxide. God’s breath is that of giving the spirit.

 

[sincerly]

You misunderstood me.
I said the scripture does NOT say they did NOT come from heaven.

"Yes", Jesus said in John 5:28-29, "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

That Scripture by Jesus says those who are resurrected do not come from heaven, but from an earthly grave.

Where do you get that sleeping is an unconscious death? When you sleep, you are not unconscious.

"Yes", When one sleeps a natural sleep, one is not dead., but when one breaths the last breath that one is no longer conscience or has any awareness of any stimuli. That is the death which Jesus was saying had happened to Lazarus.(And Jesus waited another two days before going to Lazarus.

You say that God’s breath is our breath, but that is not true. When my physical body stops breathing, stops living…then my spirit goes back to God.
God’s breath gave me a spirit. My breath is only that…my breathing in oxygen, and breathing out carbon dioxide. God’s breath is that of giving the spirit.

If a newborn does not take in that first breath, it dies. That breath was given by GOD in the being "fearfully and wonderfully made." Nothing breathed in and nothing breathed out.

When you or one stops breathing there is no longer any breaths to be had---Life ceases. Life is GOD'S to have control of ---that's why GOD said ye shall die and return to dust---not live. cease to exist

 

[Yes]

"Yes", Jesus said in John 5:28-29, "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

That Scripture by Jesus says those who are resurrected do not come from heaven, but from an earthly grave.



"Yes", When one sleeps a natural sleep, one is not dead., but when one breaths the last breath that one is no longer conscience or has any awareness of any stimuli. That is the death which Jesus was saying had happened to Lazarus.(And Jesus waited another two days before going to Lazarus.




If a newborn does not take in that first breath, it dies. That breath was given by GOD in the being "fearfully and wonderfully made." Nothing breathed in and nothing breathed out.

When you or one stops breathing there is no longer any breaths to be had---Life ceases. Life is GOD'S to have control of ---that's why GOD said ye shall die and return to dust---not live. cease to exist

A baby born dead still has a spirit We have spirits even in our mother's womb.

We are not just flesh. We are spirit too.

Hebrews 12:9, Zechariah 12:1, and Malachi 2:15.

God's breath is not the same as our breath.

God breathed a spirit into us. Our breath breathes oxygen into us.

We will have new bodies given to us at the resurrection.

You have not proved that those who die cease to exist.

 

[sincerly]

A baby born dead still has a spirit We have spirits even in our mother's womb.

We are not just flesh. We are spirit too.

Hebrews 12:9, Zechariah 12:1, and Malachi 2:15.

God's breath is not the same as our breath.

God breathed a spirit into us. Our breath breathes oxygen into us.

We will have new bodies given to us at the resurrection.

You have not proved that those who die cease to exist.

Those three verses have been explained previously.
One can have a spirit of contention a or a spirit of rebellion, etc. the context determines.
One isn't taken to heaven prior to the appointed time.
The First Resurrection hasn't happened because Jesus Christ has not come the second time.

 

[Yes]

Those three verses have been explained previously.
One can have a spirit of contention a or a spirit of rebellion, etc. the context determines.

Those scriptures prove we have a spirit. We are not just flesh.

One isn't taken to heaven prior to the appointed time.

What are you saying?

When is the appointed time to go to heaven?

The First Resurrection hasn't happened because Jesus Christ has not come the second time.

When Jesus comes again, no one will go to heaven. Heaven and earth will flee away. We will live on the new earth.

How do you get that people go to heaven after Jesus comes again?

As for the first resurrection, the first resurrection is that of our spirits being reconciled with God and our being seated in the heavenly realms with Jesus.


Scriptures that support the first resurrection, that of our spirits going to heaven with Jesus, before we die a physical death...

John 6:56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.

Ephesians 2:6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Colossians 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Colossians 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,

 

[Muffled]

John 5:28-30 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice [29] and come out---those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. [30] By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

It is common to say "This person has gone to be with the Lord", "He is looking at us from heaven now". But according to this verse, that is not so. Those who have believed in Christ and been baptized in His name for the remission of their sins, when they die, stay in their graves until Jesus returns. I recently heard Pat Robertson say that a person's spirit goes to heaven, but they are reunited with their body at the resurrection. As I understand it here, the dead will here his voice. I believe their spirit, not their bodies, hear his voice, but I could be wrong on that.
However, why have the final judgement, if everyone is already in heaven or hell?

Do you believe we are sent to our ultimate destinaton upon our death or at judgement day?

Thank you.

I believe it does not say that everyone is in the grave but only refers to all those who are in the grave. This fallacy that you have comes from reasoning from the detail to the general.

 

[Muffled]

I believe we do not go to our final destination until judgment day, and if I didn't have wet nails right now, I'd elaborate.

I believe it does nto matter what elaboration there is because there is no scriptue to support this concept.

 

[Muffled]

There is no reason to believe that most who die go floating off to heaven to be with God and sing praises 24/7. That sounds more like hell to me.
Hell as a blazing inferno does not exist. There is nothing in the Bible to support a hell of entrnal torment. Eternal torment brings no glory to God, only glory to Satan.
Please do some serious research on heaven and if I'm wrong you need to tell me.
Thanks.

I believe that there is not enough evidence to say what most do.

I believe it is possible to achieve the kind of hell one desires. A spirit that desires to sing praises to God can do that anywhere. However I suspect that those going to Hell are more apt to curse God.

The null hypothesis is difficult to prove and there is plenty of evidence of an inferno.

I believe there is, so I would imagine that you have avoided or misinterpeted the scriptures that say there is.

I believe every dog has his day. So why would anyone begrudge him all the bad things he gets for himself. Let him glory in his own vomit while I laugh.

I get all I need to know from the Paraclete.

 

[Katzpur]

I believe it does not matter what elaboration there is because there is no scripture to support this concept.

Of course there is, and I already addressed the subject in this post.

 

[Muffled]

Well, my nails are dry, so I can say what I was wanting to say this morning. I think Pat Robertson is sort of on the right track, but off the mark by just a little bit. I believe the individuals you are referring to go to Paradise when they die, but I don't believe Paradise and Heaven are the same place. Jesus told the repentant thief who hung next to Him on the cross that He'd see that day him in Paradise. Three days later, though, on the morning He was resurrected, He told Mary not to touch Him because He hadn't yet ascended to His Father in Heaven. He couldn't have been to Paradise but not to Heaven if they are the same place.

Besides, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense (to me, anyway) that they'd go to Heaven for a while and then get their resurrected bodies later on. I see Paradise as a kind of an intermediate realm, the spirit world, where the righteous await the resurrection. According to my belief, the other part of the spirit world is the Prison spoken of in 1 Peter. That is where the wicked dead will hear the gospel taught (not by Jesus himself but by the believers who are in Paradise) and will be able to either accept or reject it. If we all (the righteous and the wicked) were to go to their final destination immediately upon death, there would be no logical reason for a delay in our getting our resurrected bodies. The "final judgement" is called that for a good reason. It's not the first time we will be judged, but the last time.

I believe Pat is generalizing.

I believe there is no Biblical evidence for this.

I don't believe Jesus is saying that He has never been to Heaven or that He was even saying that He was going there. I believe He is saying that He has not yet ascended after having been resurrected.

Please explain why it doesn't make sense to you. It makes sense to me since one can be in either place and moving from one place to another is not a problem as long as God is OK with it.

I believe there is no evidence to support this concept.

I don't believe there is a final destination.

I believe this to be erroneous and that the final judgement is only final for this cycle. It is like a college student taking finals and then doing it again next year.

 

[jeager106]

Muflled said:
"I get all I need to know from the Paraclete."
Do you have a direct link with the Holy Spirit? How did you tap into that as I'd like to tap into that also.

 

[sincerly]

sincerly said: ↑
Those three verses have been explained previously.
One can have a spirit of contention a or a spirit of rebellion, etc. the context determines.

Those scriptures prove we have a spirit. We are not just flesh.

"Yes", 1John 4:1, says, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world".
Look at Heb.12:9, "Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?"

Our earthly fathers(parents) corrected our dispositions to be in the correction to the Will of GOD or that of the worldly lusts.
GOD has guided persons to be in the subjection of the the right attitude be GOD.---The spirit of righteousness and a right relationship.

Zeck. 12:1-2, The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem."

"Yes", that "spirit" which Zechariah was speaking of was the "spirit of fear" which would be in the "siege" which was upon them.---that fear would be within one.

Mal. 2:13-15, "
And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand.
Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth."
The "spirit of treachery" was seen in/of the Israelites "time after time".
What are you saying?

When is the appointed time to go to heaven?

The Scriptures state When Jesus returns to take all the redeemed to heaven---at the first resurrection.
The dead in Christ shall rise first and then the righteous living will join the righteous dead in the air to ever be with the Lord.

When Jesus comes again, no one will go to heaven. Heaven and earth will flee away. We will live on the new earth.

How do you get that people go to heaven after Jesus comes again?

As for the first resurrection, the first resurrection is that of our spirits being reconciled with God and our being seated in the heavenly realms with Jesus.

Read John14.
Rev.20 declares that there is a thousand years between the resurrections of the Righteous and the resurrection of the dead.The destruction of the earth and the wicked(and Satan with his angels) will be after the Judging/execution of the sentencing.
The new earth and heaven will be made after the destruction of the "old ones".

Scriptures that support the first resurrection, that of our spirits going to heaven with Jesus, before we die a physical death...

John 6:56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.

Ephesians 2:6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Colossians 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Colossians 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,

Huh?? Read those text in context.

 

[Yes]

sincerly said: ↑
Those three verses have been explained previously.
One can have a spirit of contention a or a spirit of rebellion, etc. the context determines.

We have our own spirit inside of us.

"Yes", 1John 4:1, says, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world".
Look at Heb.12:9, "Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?"

Our earthly fathers(parents) corrected our dispositions to be in the correction to the Will of GOD or that of the worldly lusts.
GOD has guided persons to be in the subjection of the the right attitude be GOD.---The spirit of righteousness and a right relationship.

Zeck. 12:1-2, The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem."

"Yes", that "spirit" which Zechariah was speaking of was the "spirit of fear" which would be in the "siege" which was upon them.---that fear would be within one.

Mal. 2:13-15, "
And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand.
Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth."
The "spirit of treachery" was seen in/of the Israelites "time after time".
What are you saying?

We have our own spirit with us, which are us.

The Scriptures state When Jesus returns to take all the redeemed to heaven---at the first resurrection.
The dead in Christ shall rise first and then the righteous living will join the righteous dead in the air to ever be with the Lord.

When Jesus returns, he will not be taking us to heaven.
When Jesus returns, it will be at the resurrection, it will be at the great white throne judgment. We will live with Jesus on the new earth, not heaven.

Read John14.
Rev.20 declares that there is a thousand years between the resurrections of the Righteous and the resurrection of the dead.The destruction of the earth and the wicked(and Satan with his angels) will be after the Judging/execution of the sentencing.
The new earth and heaven will be made after the destruction of the "old ones".

The first resurrection is when we are saved. The only time we are in heaven is when we are saved, and if we die before Jesus comes again.
Study this harder, for you will see there is no other time we are in heaven.

Yes said: ↑
Scriptures that support the first resurrection, that of our spirits going to heaven with Jesus, before we die a physical death...

John 6:56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.

Ephesians 2:6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Colossians 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Colossians 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
Click to expand...
Huh?? Read those text in context.

It is in context.

 

[sincerly]

We have our own spirit inside of us.

We have our own spirit with us, which are us.

When Jesus returns, he will not be taking us to heaven.
When Jesus returns, it will be at the resurrection, it will be at the great white throne judgment. We will live with Jesus on the new earth, not heaven.

The first resurrection is when we are saved. The only time we are in heaven is when we are saved, and if we die before Jesus comes again.
Study this harder, for you will see there is no other time we are in heaven.

It is in context.

"Yes", I did a phrase search for "the spirit of" and found 118 exact wordings for that phrase. Thirty seven had to do with "the spirit of GOD" and "the spirit of the Lord".
Then there were such things as "the spirit of:wisdom", "truth", "jealousy", "understanding", "bondage", "adoption", "grace," "holiness," "meekness", "a man" (Prov.18:14, "The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear?"---
Prov.20:27, "The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly."---
Eccl.3:19-21, "For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth"---
Zech.12:1-2, "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem."---
ICor. 2:9-12, "
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."---

There is NO Living entity within a person that is distinct from the person as a living being. That is an erroneous Scriptural assessment.

Here is the Biblical usage as seen. """the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated.______the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides."""

 

[Yes]

"Yes", I did a phrase search for "the spirit of" and found 118 exact wordings for that phrase. Thirty seven had to do with "the spirit of GOD" and "the spirit of the Lord".
Then there were such things as "the spirit of:wisdom", "truth", "jealousy", "understanding", "bondage", "adoption", "grace," "holiness," "meekness", "a man" (Prov.18:14, "The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear?"---
Prov.20:27, "The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly."---
Eccl.3:19-21, "For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth"---
Zech.12:1-2, "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem."---
ICor. 2:9-12, "
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."---

There is NO Living entity within a person that is distinct from the person as a living being. That is an erroneous Scriptural assessment.

Here is the Biblical usage as seen. """the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated.______the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides."""

We have to do more than just search the Internet for words.

We have a spirit inside each one of us. It is us, it is what we think and feel, 'feel' as the emotion.

How can you have your spirit come alive by believing the Truth if you do not even believe we have a spirit?

 

[sincerly]

sincerly said: ↑
"Yes", I did a phrase search for "the spirit of" and found 118 exact wordings for that phrase. Thirty seven had to do with "the spirit of GOD" and "the spirit of the Lord".
Then there were such things as "the spirit of:wisdom", "truth", "jealousy", "understanding", "bondage", "adoption", "grace," "holiness," "meekness", "a man" (Prov.18:14, "The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear?"---
Prov.20:27, "The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly."---
Eccl.3:19-21, "For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth"---
Zech.12:1-2, "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem."---
ICor. 2:9-12, "
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."---

There is NO Living entity within a person that is distinct from the person as a living being. That is an erroneous Scriptural assessment.

Here is the Biblical usage as seen. """the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated.______the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides."""
Click to expand...

We have to do more than just search the Internet for words.

"Yes", You didn't recognize those phrases from the KJV Bible? It is clear that you have taken your ideas of the "spirit of man" from other than the Biblical Scriptures.

We have a spirit inside each one of us. It is us, it is what we think and feel, 'feel' as the emotion.

That "us" has to be born again, because what is "us" is despicable and desperately wicked. What is "us" can not be accepted into heaven/and the new earth without that Repenting and submitting to the Will of GOD.
That old man of sin has to be crucified and buried with Jesus Christ.

How can you have your spirit come alive by believing the Truth if you do not even believe we have a spirit?

That "spirit" which motivates one into a right relationship with GOD and one's fellow man is LOVE.

 

[moorea944]

Scripture tells us that all that are in the graves will hear the trumpet. It doesnt mention heaven here at all. Also, when scripture says that the dead are "sleeping" or "sleeping in Christ', they are still dead. It is symbollic because "like a sleep" they will awake from "death" at his return. When your dead, you are dead until the resurrection. Here are some verses that prove that.

1. "Dust thou art: to dust thou shalt return." (Genesis 3:192. "Abraham gave up the "spirit" (gava: expired, breathed out), and died, and was gathered to his people"3. "In death there is no remembrance of Thee: in the grave, who shall give Thee thanks?" (Psalm 6:5).4. "The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence." (Psalm 115:17)
5. "The grave cannot praise Thee; death cannot celebrate Thee; they that go down into the pit cannot hope for Thy truth: the living, he shall praise Thee, as I do this day" (Isaiah 38:18-19).
6. "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun."
7. "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." Romans 5:12

These are just some verses that tell us what happens in death. God says that we will die. Why would you not want to believe that? If you fear God, you dont fear death. Paul say that we have hope in the resurrection.

These verses tell us that we CANNOT praise God. We dont have any more memory of anything. We dont think, love, hate, envy, etc. We are dead, until the return of Christ.

 

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Scripture tells us that all that are in the graves will hear the trumpet. It doesnt mention heaven here at all. Also, when scripture says that the dead are "sleeping" or "sleeping in Christ', they are still dead. It is symbollic because "like a sleep" they will awake from "death" at his return. When your dead, you are dead until the resurrection. Here are some verses that prove that.

1. "Dust thou art: to dust thou shalt return." (Genesis 3:192. "Abraham gave up the "spirit" (gava: expired, breathed out), and died, and was gathered to his people"3. "In death there is no remembrance of Thee: in the grave, who shall give Thee thanks?" (Psalm 6:5).4. "The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence." (Psalm 115:17)
5. "The grave cannot praise Thee; death cannot celebrate Thee; they that go down into the pit cannot hope for Thy truth: the living, he shall praise Thee, as I do this day" (Isaiah 38:18-19).
6. "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun."
7. "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." Romans 5:12

These are just some verses that tell us what happens in death. God says that we will die. Why would you not want to believe that? If you fear God, you dont fear death. Paul say that we have hope in the resurrection.

These verses tell us that we CANNOT praise God. We dont have any more memory of anything. We dont think, love, hate, envy, etc. We are dead, until the return of Christ.

You have a doctrine of death.
The scriptures tell us that we have a spirit that lives on after the death of our bodies.