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Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Seeing you say that outright, I realize we will never agree on what the proper nature and role of religion is.
I wish it were not so. I can see you mean well.
Wrong. So tragically wrong.
Friend LuisDantas !
Sorry, we are again on the opposite poles, like it always have been. But this is what I sincerely believe, so why not express it in a straightforward manner? Please.
You know that I believe Buddha's religion,Zoroaster's religion and Krishna's religion as Revealed Religions, so they are excepted. I have much regard for these religious heroes, the cream of humanity. I am a fan of them, like I am a fan of Moses,Jesus,Socrates,Muhammad and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
I consider the scriptures of all religions, combined together, as my own scripture, but one has to see through the contents:

[25:73] And those who bear not false witness, and when they pass by anything vain, they pass on with dignity;
[25:74] And those who, when they are reminded of the Signs of their Lord, fall not deaf and blind thereat;
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=25&verse=73
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Paar is an Ahmadi. The Ahmadis are considered kuffar by Sunnis and Shias and other Muslims.
Ahmadism requires that Krishna is "merely" a messenger of Allah. Hence, you will notice Ahmadis on this forum and elsewhere managing to antagonize nearly everyone. They antogonize Sunnis and Shias since they have no regard for Mirza Ghulam Ahmed (the founder of Ahmadism) and they antononize Hindus.
In summary, Ahmadi theology requires preaching Christianity to Christians, Islam to Muslims, Hinduism to Hindus and Buddhism to Buddhists.
Sad.
You get us wrong. It is not we who ever antagonize anybody, it is others who get antagonized, unnecessarily. If they look deeply, they will realize that we love them most. Please
Regards
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Friend LuisDantas !
Sorry, we are again on the opposite poles, like it always have been. But this is what I sincerely believe, so why not express it in a straightforward manner? Please.
Definitely, you should speak your mind. It just saddens me to see so many people insist on such serious mistakes.

Monotheism is not wrong. Nor is it right. And it is certainly not the defining factor of valid religion.


You know that I believe Buddha's religion,Zoroaster's religion and Krishna's religion as Revealed Religions,
Yes, I know. The Bahai Faith does likewise, as I learned decades ago.

What can a man do but find that sad and pointless?

so they are excepted. I have much regard for these religious heroes, the cream of humanity. I am a fan of them, like I am a fan of Moses,Jesus,Socrates,Muhammad and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

I believe you. But that is not a proper reason to have regard for people. And, of course, it is just a natural if difficult extension of the Muslim teachings about Judaism and Christianity. All it takes is decreeing other religions revealed monotheism even when they are not that.

Still, I can see the appeal. An Abrahamic Monotheist must deal with the diversity of beliefs and attempt to explain what will be of those who do not share his faith.

In essence, there must be a reason why God created existence itself and expressed his Will through prophets and/or scriptures, yet such faith still has to be taught as opposed to being a part of human nature. That Christianity and Islam also teach that disbelievers should fear hellfire makes the need that much more urgent.

Apparently Shias and/or Sunnis answer that by decreeing that we are all born Muslims and must be encouraged to remain true to the faith. That may be why kuffar/kaffir seems to be best translated, depending on circunstances, by "liar", "unfaithful" or just "unbeliever". According to that belief, non-Muslims are always either victims or criminals (or both).

As for you Ahmadis and the Bahais, you attempt to draw parallels with as many religions as you can, in order to convince yourselves that deep down they are all struggling to become full-fledged monotheisms (and therefore will inevitably accept the truth of the Quran at some point). A very mistaken belief, although most of the immediate results are fairly positive anyway. Respect sustained by mistaken beliefs is still respect.

I consider the scriptures of all religions, combined together, as my own scripture, but one has to see through the contents:

[25:73] And those who bear not false witness, and when they pass by anything vain, they pass on with dignity;
[25:74] And those who, when they are reminded of the Signs of their Lord, fall not deaf and blind thereat;
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=25&verse=73
Regards
I commend you for that sincere effort. But I do so due to the sincerity, not the effort itself.

It would be wrong of me to encourage you to neglect to consider the contradictions contained in your statement.

Not all religions are monotheist, or even theistic. Nor is scripture consistently valued in all religions. Far from that really. Islam certainly is, but Islam is not representative of other religions except Christianity, the Bahai Faith and to a certain measure Judaism.

Do you find it at all possible that the God of the Qur'an might perhaps have decided that it is not for all people to believe in His existence and (eventually) take refuge in the words of the Qur'an?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
You get us wrong. It is not we who ever antagonize anybody, it is others who get antagonized, unnecessarily. If they look deeply, they will realize that we love them most. Please
Regards
Yes, that is why it is so difficult to deal with.

You sincerely attempt to tell so many others why we are mistaken on the basics of our own beliefs, because of course the actual truth is reflected by yours. After all, why would God deny sincere believers the chance of learning the truth?

It must be very wearsome for you.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
You get us wrong. It is not we who ever antagonize anybody, it is others who get antagonized, unnecessarily. If they look deeply, they will realize that we love them most. Please
Regards
Obviously you do antagonise people. It's not up to you to decide who gets antagonised. Do you actually believe that if you punch a man in the face, you get to decide whether or not it hurts?
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Obviously you do antagonise people. It's not up to you to decide who gets antagonised. Do you actually believe that if you punch a man in the face, you get to decide whether or not it hurts?
You are wrong again, please.
I know that I didn't punch anybody. So, how could others decide that I punched anybody when I never did it? Please
If you ever punched some one, you would have known that. Right? You can't deny that. Please
Ahmadiyya are a peaceful people, it is just against our ideology/religion to be violent for nothing.
So in may case it is just an allegation, as far as I can understand. Peace
Regards
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
You are wrong again, please.
I know that I didn't punch anybody. So, how could others decide that I punched anybody when I never did it? Please
If you ever punched some one, you would have known that. Right? You can't deny that. Please
Ahmadiyya are a peaceful people, it is just against our ideology/religion to be violent for nothing.
So in may case it is just an allegation, as far as I can understand. Peace
Regards
You do not support physical violence, of course. But do you realize how deciding to reinterpret other people's beliefs regardless of their approval might rub people the wrong way?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
You are wrong again, please.
I know that I didn't punch anybody. So, how could others decide that I punched anybody when I never did it? Please
If you ever punched some one, you would have known that. Right? You can't deny that. Please
Ahmadiyya are a peaceful people, it is just against our ideology/religion to be violent for nothing.
So in may case it is just an allegation, as far as I can understand. Peace
Regards

It was an attempt to get you to understand that failed miserably. What about words, and words alone? When you claim, for example, that Hindus need a simpler scripture, and they all believe that they don't, someone might be insulted. So they say directly to you, 'I am insulted!' Are you saying that they are not insulted?
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

Sorry!
It is just a question, an innocent one, please. And I asked it because Hinduism people, even the one whom I thought are scholars of Hinduism, they stated in some posts here in RF that even they have not read all the Hinduism scriptures, and they cannot do it even if they tried their whole life, somewhat like that. It was an amazing disclosure for my utter bewilderment , believe me. Hence the question. Peace
Regards

 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

Sorry!
It is just a question, an innocent one, please. And I asked it because Hinduism people, even the one whom I thought are scholars of Hinduism, they stated in some posts here in RF that even they have not read all the Hinduism scriptures, and they cannot do it even if they tried their whole life, somewhat like that. It was an amazing disclosure for my utter bewilderment , believe me. Hence the question. Peace
Regards
Parsurrey, I would humbly request that you leave us alone. It's verging on harassment.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

Sorry!
It is just a question, an innocent one, please. And I asked it because Hinduism people, even the one whom I thought are scholars of Hinduism, they stated in some posts here in RF that even they have not read all the Hinduism scriptures, and they cannot do it even if they tried their whole life, somewhat like that. It was an amazing disclosure for my utter bewilderment , believe me. Hence the question. Peace
Regards
Different religions have different expectations of how a good adherent should behave and what he or she should need.

Hindu scripture is very different from the Qur'an. It fills a different role.

It is not supposed to be the Qur'an writen in other languages, nor to necessarily align with the Qur'an.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Krishna's religion as Revealed Religions

Again you are wrong and completely misunderstand what Hinduism is. It is not "Krishna's religion" because Krishna is not the only god worshiped by all Hindus. No one, nor anyone "revealed" anything about Hinduism to anyone. Hinduism is not a religion, but an umbrella term for a vast number of beliefs that sprang out of the Vedas, and older indigenous and folk beliefs.The Vedas were not given to anyone like the Quran was given to Mohammed or Yahweh speaking his laws to Moses. I'm not sure just how many more times we have to explain this. It's getting tiresome saying it's getting tiresome.
 

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
Non-revealed religion are man-made, nobody needs them. These are purposeless only express the confusion to fill the gap of non-believing. Right? Please
Regards

How do you distinguish 'revealed' from 'non-revealed' in this context?
 

Tomorrows_Child

Active Member
Not even the most Hinduism people have read all the plethora of Hinduism scripture. It must have put the masses in Hinduism at a disadvantage and hence at the mercy of the narrators/scribes/clergy. Right? Please
Please correct me if I am wrong with your reasonable arguments.
Thread is open to everybody of any religion or no religion.
No disrespect intended to any person personally, please. I love all the revealed religions and their people. Please
Regards

Most Hindus here are also atheists so go figure that one out lol
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
How do you distinguish 'revealed' from 'non-revealed' in this context?
Quran guides us.
For instance, Christianity, Quran tell us the real teachings of Jesus. From it we know as to what the Christians have done with Word Revealed on Jesus. So, we don't have to go by what the Christianity say we go by what the inner evidence of NT Bible says. One gets to know the reality that Quran has unfolded. If one reads Bhagwad Gita, one enjoys reading it, one knows it is from G-d. If one read Gathas one likes it and one knows it is from G-d and Zoroaster received Word of Revelation from G-d. Try it and find it yourselves. These are not very voluminous books and are available online.
When you finish, ask me questions in this thread. I will elaborate for you.
No disrespect intended to anybody, I have just shared my experience with a friend. Please
Regards
 
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