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Is it possible to talk with an atheist?

Sanmario

Sanmario

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Dear Columbus, we are now at this point in time talking about goalposts, please join in.

Dear everyone, ChristineM says that I am moving the goalposts, and I am asking her(?) him(?) to produce her or his evidence that I am moving the goalposts.


So, everyone, let us witness what goalposts from ChristineM I am moving, in this thread from yours truly, on Is it possible to talk with an atheist?





columbus said:
"Moving goalposts" isn't how I would phrase it. But I have posted a few things and found you to ignore what I said and go on responding to things you think I believe instead. So I participate in other threads instead of yours. Threads where people discuss are more "flavorsome" than ones where some religious person mostly talks to themself. That's what you appear to prefer.
Tom
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Sanmario

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Dear Penguin and everyone:

At this point in time we are talking about goalposts in re lack of evidence for God alleged by atheists, and in regard to goalposts, ChristineM says about me, that I am moving the goalposts, and I am asking her for her evidence to support her statement that I am moving the goalposts.

So, everyone, let us witness the evidence from ChristineM on me moving goalposts.

This thread from yours truly in this philosophy board is on Is it possible to talk with an atheist?




9-10ths_Penguin said:
I think a big part of the problem in both sides appreciating each other's points of view is that for a significant number of theists, appreciating an atheist's point of view means undermining their own worldview.

If a godless worldview is valid, then the belief that belief in their god(s) is absolutely vital must be incorrect.

I think this is a big part of why people will claim that atheists are "angry at God" and the like. The idea that a person could honestly and sincerely just not be convinced of their god (and be functional despite this) is utterly incompatible with some theist worldviews... much the same way that someone living comfortably under water without an air supply is utterly incompatible with worldviews that consider breathing to be vital to life.
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9-10ths_Penguin said:
I think a big part of the problem in both sides appreciating each other's points of view is that for a significant number of theists, appreciating an atheist's point of view means undermining their own worldview.

If a godless worldview is valid, then the belief that belief in their god(s) is absolutely vital must be incorrect.

I think this is a big part of why people will claim that atheists are "angry at God" and the like. The idea that a person could honestly and sincerely just not be convinced of their god (and be functional despite this) is utterly incompatible with some theist worldviews... much the same way that someone living comfortably under water without an air supply is utterly incompatible with worldviews that consider breathing to be vital to life.
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Sanmario

Sanmario

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Dear everyone, I have to do some chores, but I will be back later soon, in the meantime here is the OP of this thread.


Sanmario said:
Title of thread: Is it possible to talk with an atheist>



I am a theist, and I love to talk with atheists on the issue of God exists or not.

Is it possible to talk with them, and I am not into converting them to accept the existence of God, but just to get to learn from them to think better, on the issue God exists or not.

To learn from them as to think better, am I lying?

No, I am not lying, I really want to see how they think as to themselves come to their position that there is no God; in that way I can and will get to be a better thinker, from knowing how others think who do not share my position of God existing.

It is like that I eat meat and vegetable, but there are folks who are vegetarians, so by talking with them on how to eat better, I can and will learn to adopt a better diet.


So, let me see if any atheists will talk with me.


Sanmario, Mar 24, 2017
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siti

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Sanmario said:
This board here is on philosophy.

Here is my concept of God, God is the creator of everything with a beginning.

...the evidence for God existing in that concept of God, it is everything with a beginning: that means the universe ...

What do you say about that!?

There is evidence galore of God existing in concept as the creator of everything with a beginning.
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What is your philosophical evidence that the universe had a beginning?
 
Milton Platt

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Sanmario said:
I am a theist, and I love to talk with atheists on the issue of God exists or not.

Is it possible to talk with them, and I am not into converting them to accept the existence of God, but just to get to learn from them to think better, on the issue God exists or not.

To learn from them as to think better, am I lying?

No, I am not lying, I really want to see how they think as to themselves come to their position that there is no God; in that way I can and will get to be a better thinker, from knowing how others think who do not share my position of God existing.

It is like that I eat meat and vegetable, but there are folks who are vegetarians, so by talking with them on how to eat better, I can and will learn to adopt a better diet.


So, let me see if any atheists will talk with me.
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Tell me what you believe and why you believe it. If I find your reasoning sound and your evidence compelling, we're done. It's as easy as that.
 
Sanmario

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Your question, dear siti, will bring us to exchange thoughts on what is philosop, but that is all right, because philosophy at the end of the day is the final arbiter of all issues that man has to resolve.

You ask me:
"What is your philosophical evidence that the universe had a beginning?"

Here is my answer: The philosophical evidence is that we all concur that the universe did not cause itself to come into existence.


Dear readers, let us witness what reaction siti will think up to reply to my answer to his question.



siti said:
Sanmario said: ↑
This board here is on philosophy.

Here is my concept of God, God is the creator of everything with a beginning.

...the evidence for God existing in that concept of God, it is everything with a beginning: that means the universe ...

What do you say about that!?

There is evidence galore of God existing in concept as the creator of everything with a beginning.
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What is your philosophical evidence that the universe had a beginning?
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siti

siti

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Sanmario said:
The philosophical evidence is that we all concur that the universe did not cause itself to come into existence.
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That simply doesn't answer the question - the universe could "not cause itself to come into existence" by simply being eternal, in which case it had no beginning. If the universe had no beginning, then it needs no God to cause it to begin to exist.
 
siti

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Sanmario said:
Dear siti, when there will be a number of posters here that I cannot handle as to answer to them all expeditiously, what do you say, let you and me for the present time only, engage in an exchange between us two only?
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Its entirely up to you who you reply to and when - no rush, no compulsion.
 
Sanmario

Sanmario

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If the universe had no beginning? But the universe has a beginning.




siti said:
That simply doesn't answer the question - the universe could "not cause itself to come into existence" by simply being eternal, in which case it had no beginning. If the universe had no beginning, then it needs no God to cause it to begin to exist.
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siti

siti

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Sanmario said:
So, you concur with me that there was no universe at the status when the universe had not been at the beginning.
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No - I am saying there was no beginning. If you can simply state there was a beginning without providing any evidence whatsoever to support your claim, then I can simply state there was no beginning without providing any evidence. I can provide an argument to support it if you like. You cannot provide a compelling argument to support your claim that the universe had a beginning. Would you like to go first, or shall I? (Warning, it isn't going to get easier for you).
 
C

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Sanmario said:
But the universe has a beginning.
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Let me try to rephrase the point I believe that @siti is making.
Your claim that the universe had a beginning is without evidence. It seems intuitively true, because humans are programmed to see things in terms of beginning and end, but we have come to learn that isn't how things work in reality. Reality moves in cycles and transformation. So the universe may very well not have a beginning and the singularity is a transformation event and not a creation.

I hope siti will correct me if I am mistaken.
Tom
 
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