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Galatians 3:13

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Basically, the questions I would ask Christians stem from the underlined parts of the verse.

Question 1: What is the curse pronounced by the law?

Question 2: What scripture is this written in?

Question 3: What scripture is the tree detail referencing?


This verse has always appeared as an odd argument to me on Paul's part.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Basically, the questions I would ask Christians stem from the underlined parts of the verse.

Question 1: What is the curse pronounced by the law?

Question 2: What scripture is this written in?

Question 3: What scripture is the tree detail referencing?


This verse has always appeared as an odd argument to me on Paul's part.
Basically, the Law of Moses says that anyone who hangs on a tree is accursed by God. (Deuteronomy 21:23)
Paul argues that Jesus hung on a tree; therefore Paul argues that Jesus did it on purpose taking on Himself all the curses of the Law so that He may put them to death in His own body. Thus, when Jesus rises from the dead He will be alive and without all the curses. Because He died to the Law and the curses and is raised again so He is free forever. It's all for our sake so that if we are baptized into the body of Christ we will be free from the curses because we're partakers of His death and resurrection. It's maybe a bit of a complicated concept. Hope that explains it.
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
Basically, the Law of Moses says that anyone who hangs on a tree is accursed by God. (Deuteronomy 21:23)

Right the one that says if anyone commits a sin that is worthy of death, this is what you do with them. Isn't this implying that Jesus broke the law? Otherwise, Paul is making a pretty big leap and taking some liberty with scriptural context.

Paul argues that Jesus hung on a tree; therefore Paul argues that Jesus did it on purpose taking on Himself all the curses of the Law so that He may put them to death in His own body.

Does the original passage in Deuteronomy seem to imply anything like this, or give such a one as Jesus instructions for this task? Again, this is an odd interpretation for Paul to make.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
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But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Basically, the questions I would ask Christians stem from the underlined parts of the verse.

Question 1: What is the curse pronounced by the law?

Question 2: What scripture is this written in?

Question 3: What scripture is the tree detail referencing?


This verse has always appeared as an odd argument to me on Paul's part.

Yes, it can be an odd argument at first glance and understandibly so.

Many things in the OT are called a shadow of the things to come i.e., Jesus. So there are actally a double reference in that there is an OT application that forms the shadow but ultimately it is pointing to a time where Jesus would fulfill.

One commentary (John Gill) expressed it this way;

"though this, or any other capital crime, may be allowed to be the reason of the man's being hanged, and so apparently accursed; yet this is not the reason of his being loosed from thence, but his having bore the curse and satisfied the law: and hence this is applied to Christ by the apostle, in ( Galatians 3:13 ) showing, that his hanging on the tree was an indication and proof of his being made sin and a curse for his people, or that he bore the curse of the law for their sins, and that the taking of him down from the tree, and burying him, signified the removing the curse from him and his people for whom he suffered; or that thereby he redeemed them from the curse of the law, as the apostle expresses it"

The curse is ultimately pronounced and found in Deut. 28:15 and following

The tree, in this case, is referencing the cross as the fulfilment of hanging on a cross in the OT.
 

Brickjectivity

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Question 1: What is the curse pronounced by the law?
This is a 'Sacred' text which means nobody explains it. If you have not shown the dedication necessary and proven your character then it is not explained, usually.

Question 2: What scripture is this written in?
This is a reference to a Jewish scripture in Deuteronomy 21 and to put it into context will take some explanation.

This law in Deuteronomy seems to me to forbid hanging people, but just reading it in English its hard to decipher that without cultural context. Maybe it doesn't forbid hanging, but even in that case I think it forbids leaving the body out. The English translation unfortunately often is taken to say "If you are hanged on a tree you are cursed." This is what I would call a 'Surface reading' that overlooks what the script is attempting to communicate. That is not what Galatians is doing either though it may seem like it. Galatians presumes knowledge on your part and that you already understand the Torah, but if you do not then you are stuck trying to use Galatians to understand Torah -- which is a mistake. It doesn't teach Torah and is not designed to do so. It is a letter from Paul to the Galatians, and you must presume to know everything that the Galatians have been taught.

The law about the tree probably is saying not to leave bodies out, because it is shameful. That is probably what it means when it says they are 'Under Gods curse'. You know the term 'Namaste'? Well there is a similar principle here, in which people recognize the divinity in each other. Genesis 9:6 explains the reason not to murder is that people are made in the 'Image of God'. This may seem like difficult language, but its basically related to saying 'Namaste'. I do not kill you, because you are a moral being. Similarly I should not leave your body exposed on a tree, no matter why you have died, because it is shameful to all beings. Galatians presumes you already understand this about the Torah, about Deuteronomy; and from there Galatians goes into some imagery and is speaking about things in a special way that is Christian. Let me first reinforce what I have said about the body hung on a tree and that is considered shameful in Judaism to leave a body out. Actually I can only provide a hint as I see it and cannot conclude it for you, but its a good hint.

In the (long) story of David and Saul which is in 1 Kings and 2 Kings, the poor man King Saul of the tribe of Benjamin is the first king of Israel, thrust into leadership, has some success but makes some mistakes, goes crazy and kills himself. When he kills himself he also happens to be surrounded by enemy combatants, and they put his body put onto display to be pecked by the birds for days, but someone comes and takes his corpse so the birds will not peck it. I strongly suggest that this corresponds with Deuteronomy 21. They risk their lives to take his body off of display, which is wrong if there is no compelling reason, so what is that reason? The body is dead, and they are at war. Why bother? Many people wrongly assume that it is only out of sentiment that they remove his body from view, but they would not do this I think as it risks their own lives to come out from cover where they can be overwhelmed and killed. The principle by which they do so is that it is shameful and is an offense to the divine for Saul's body to be left out to rot in public. In other words burying his body is not merely a nicety but is a duty.

This verse has always appeared as an odd argument to me on Paul's part.
It has taken some explanation to even go into that one law of Deuteronomy. To explain this letter, Galations, is also difficult. Galatians is its own creature and does not always fit with the rest of the NT very well, because it uses a lot of odd semantics. The bit where it says "Christ became a curse for us" could be explained by referring to Romans and Hebrews and some others. What Galatians is talking about is important but the words are semantically musical and beat around the bush. It is indirect speech, so it sounds like magic but is not. It is meant to sound like magic to the unlearned, but to the learned not. Perhaps there are some in the church of Galatia who grasp it and some who don't. Consider what a sacrifice does for real. It is a shared meal, and along with that shared meal comes an agreement that is called an 'Atonement' or in modern terms a 'Treaty'. The sacrifice in the Bible is a very extensive treaty which includes a complete set of laws and way of life. Galatians is arguing that now that Christ's death functions as the basis for a complete atonement for all people if they will accept it. Discussing all of his grammar and his usages of the word 'Faith' which is extremely bizarre considering he's quoting Habakkuk where it clearly means 'Faithfulness' is all a huge jungle of words. You will not progress through it quickly though you use a machete. Here's is Galatians arguing that now Christians can have the same close knit society that Jews enjoy, the same love, the same powerful pact through Christ and that they will not need all of the Jewish trappings and rules to accomplish it.

In the middle of all of that Galatians refers to the curse of the tree. It fits into his conversation but the explanation requires pulling from some other NT books: Hebrews and Romans and possibly some others. It has to do with how the atonement of Christ works. It has to do with the argument about the meaning of Jesus death.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Basically, the questions I would ask Christians stem from the underlined parts of the verse.

Question 1: What is the curse pronounced by the law?

Question 2: What scripture is this written in?

Question 3: What scripture is the tree detail referencing?


This verse has always appeared as an odd argument to me on Paul's part.
The whole of Galatians is Paul refuting the "false gospel" (Gal 1) presented to the church there (by others than him). It's not hard to see that he is disputing the rising catholic orthodoxy just by his rebuking of circumcisions, diets and the law as being tools of salvation. This is plainly detailed in Chapter 2 when Paul confronted Peter, accusing him of siding with this view as well, created by the Jews (circumcised) to have power over Gentiles (uncircumcised). Paul accused them of following (seeing) flesh over Spirit.

Paul knew that the law saved no one. Romans 3:20
Paul says we are one of mind, not flesh. Romans 7:25
When we follow the Spirit (capital S) we are free from the law (of sin). Romans 8:2-3

This is what Jesus meant in John 8:36

1 John 4:
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

It's not enough to follow Christ. You seek to become (a) Christ. John 1:12
 

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Basically, the questions I would ask Christians stem from the underlined parts of the verse.

Question 1: What is the curse pronounced by the law?

Question 2: What scripture is this written in?

Question 3: What scripture is the tree detail referencing?


This verse has always appeared as an odd argument to me on Paul's part.
Putting us to work again! :)
This is a purely Christian viewpoint. Most others disagree with Paul.

The curse of the law was one of the main reasons the Mosaic law had to go. It was not a law of faith but of works. It clearly stated that anyone who kept the law perfectly would live because of it, that is, never die. Since all sinned and were unable to obey perfectly all died and could not find redemption by law. That is the law's curse.
Leviticus 18:5 And YOU must keep my statutes and my judicial decisions, which if a man will do, he must also live by means of them. I am Jehovah.
Nehemiah 9:29 Although you would bear witness against them to bring them back to your law, they themselves even acted presumptuously and did not listen to your commandments; and against your own judicial decisions they sinned, which, if a man will do, he must also live by means of them. And they kept giving a stubborn shoulder, and their neck they hardened, and they did not listen.
Ezekiel 20:11 “‘“And I proceeded to give them my statutes; and my judicial decisions I made known to them, in order that the man who keeps doing them might also keep living by them.
Galatians 3:12 Now the Law does not adhere to faith, but “he that does them shall live by means of them.”​
In this, the Mosaic Law, or simply the Law, was never a law of faith, but a law of works.

I have to go to the hospital now. I will have to answer the last point later.
 
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Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Basically, the questions I would ask Christians stem from the underlined parts of the verse.

Question 1: What is the curse pronounced by the law?

Question 2: What scripture is this written in?

Question 3: What scripture is the tree detail referencing?


This verse has always appeared as an odd argument to me on Paul's part.
So, the law which was perfect became a curse to imperfect people, condemning them to death because it was a law of works, do or die thing.
The New Covenant, also known as the Law of Faith, was able to do for those under it what the old law covenant couldn't - namely, save them from their sins.

The curse of the tree
God built into the Mosaic law a law for the sake of cursing the perfect Christ. In a sense, it was a trick law:
Deuteronomy 21: 23 his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt surely bury him the same day; for he that is hanged is accursed of God; that thou defile not thy land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

2 Corinthians 5:21 The one who did not know sin he made to be sin for us, that we might become God’s righteousness by means of him.
Galatians 3:13 Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake.”​
In this way, Christ nailed the Mosaic law to the cross:
Colossians 2:
13 And you, being dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, you, I say , did he make alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses; 14 having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross; 15 having despoiled the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.​
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Basically, the questions I would ask Christians stem from the underlined parts of the verse.

Question 1: What is the curse pronounced by the law?

Question 2: What scripture is this written in?

Question 3: What scripture is the tree detail referencing?


This verse has always appeared as an odd argument to me on Paul's part.
Without getting into specifics, this is a culmination of Romans, chapters 1-8. Paul lays out a long argument that condemns all men to death, according to all law, and offered an escape through the law of faith in Christ.

Galatians helps to clarify the transformation of the mind that is necessary for this to happen.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Basically, the questions I would ask Christians stem from the underlined parts of the verse.

Question 1: What is the curse pronounced by the law?

Question 2: What scripture is this written in?

Question 3: What scripture is the tree detail referencing?


This verse has always appeared as an odd argument to me on Paul's part.

The story going around is that Peter was crucified upside down. The guy had no end of troubles. As for Paul, his friend Nero supposedly had him strangled, which is how Judas Iscariot died (Matthew 27:5). The 3 shepherds of Zechariah 11:8 were all "annihilated" all in the same generation/"month". Peter, Paul, and Judas.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
So, the law which was perfect became a curse to imperfect people, condemning them to death because it was a law of works, do or die thing.
The New Covenant, also known as the Law of Faith, was able to do for those under it what the old law covenant couldn't - namely, save them from their sins.

The curse of the tree
God built into the Mosaic law a law for the sake of cursing the perfect Christ. In a sense, it was a trick law:
Deuteronomy 21: 23 his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt surely bury him the same day; for he that is hanged is accursed of God; that thou defile not thy land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

2 Corinthians 5:21 The one who did not know sin he made to be sin for us, that we might become God’s righteousness by means of him.
Galatians 3:13 Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake.”​
In this way, Christ nailed the Mosaic law to the cross:
Colossians 2:
13 And you, being dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, you, I say , did he make alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses; 14 having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross; 15 having despoiled the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.​

Sounds like a good argument from the son of hell, the son of the Satan, Paul, to get you to continue in your sins
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Without getting into specifics, this is a culmination of Romans, chapters 1-8. Paul lays out a long argument that condemns all men to death, according to all law, and offered an escape through the law of faith in Christ.

Galatians helps to clarify the transformation of the mind that is necessary for this to happen.

The transformation of the mind necessary for you to believe Paul, is called double mindedness/hypocrisy, and is best portrayed in Romans 7:25. No one escapes death for their own transgressions (Jeremiah 31:30). Paul is dead, so his "we" shall be "changed" didn't happen.
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
Galatians presumes knowledge on your part and that you already understand the Torah, but if you do not then you are stuck trying to use Galatians to understand Torah -- which is a mistake. It doesn't teach Torah and is not designed to do so. It is a letter from Paul to the Galatians, and you must presume to know everything that the Galatians have been taught.

I am not sure Paul understood the Torah, since he infers something from there that doesn't seem to be there, except by going into spiritual language arguments. How would one even determine that passage has spiritual language? It seems cut and dry to me, that the passage is discussing when one is put to death for a death-worthy offense under the law.

It clearly stated that anyone who kept the law perfectly would live because of it, that is, never die.

I don't see that it clearly says that.

Leviticus 18:5 And YOU must keep my statutes and my judicial decisions, which if a man will do, he must also live by means of them. I am Jehovah.

Nehemiah 9:29 Although you would bear witness against them to bring them back to your law, they themselves even acted presumptuously and did not listen to your commandments; and against your own judicial decisions they sinned, which, if a man will do, he must also live by means of them. And they kept giving a stubborn shoulder, and their neck they hardened, and they did not listen.

Ezekiel 20:11 “‘“And I proceeded to give them my statutes; and my judicial decisions I made known to them, in order that the man who keeps doing them might also keep living by them.

Ezekiel 20:11 sums up perfectly what I would respond here. That it doesn't seem to imply what Paul thinks. It means Jews are to live by the law. Why infer it means anything further?

God built into the Mosaic law a law for the sake of cursing the perfect Christ. In a sense, it was a trick law:

The passage doesn't carry language that would even suggest that. See my response to @Brickjectivity
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Was Daniel "saved" by "no one"? (Daniel 12:13). Was Paul "saved", such as and "we" shall be "changed"?
What was Daniel saved from? Lions? And what was saved? Flesh?

Christ is the only savior. And Christians are saved from much more. You honor the flesh and the god of it.

Christ wasn't saved from the cross. He met it and destroyed it('s worth). We no longer fear lions or the cross. As they are illusions, just as the lions were to Daniel.

Paul taught the saving of spirit, not flesh.
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
What was Daniel saved from? Lions? And what was saved? Flesh?

Christ is the only savior. And Christians are saved from much more. You honor the flesh and the god of it.

I'm sure this will be an insightful sermon at least, but I am not sure how it addresses rather Galatians 3:13 is quoting Deuteronomy correctly.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
What was Daniel saved from? Lions? And what was saved? Flesh?

Christ is the only savior. And Christians are saved from much more. You honor the flesh and the god of it.

Christ wasn't saved from the cross. He met it and destroyed it('s worth). We no longer fear lions or the cross. As they are illusions, just as the lions were to Daniel.

Paul taught the saving of spirit, not flesh.

When you die (Jer 31:30), the spirit returns to God, the flesh remains in the grave. You will not be "changed" to incorruptible in a twinkling of an eye". Spirits need a dwelling/tabernacle.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
I'm sure this will be an insightful sermon at least, but I am not sure how it addresses rather Galatians 3:13 is quoting Deuteronomy correctly.
A monotheist will never see the difference. John 6:32

Jesus taught of the true Father, beyond all gods, including the one Moses spoke of. John 8
 
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