Atheist Poll (Judgment Day)

[Earthling]

So God doesn't mind if you don't pray to him? God doesn't mind if you are gay, work on the sabbath, etc.

I hope not. I rarely pray, I'm gay and I work on Sabbath.

 

[Earthling]

To me righteous means everything I dislike.
It certainly means 'holy' but it also conveys a person who is a little too sure about their convictions.
I wouldn't expect to encounter a righteous person in a sweaty night club or at a punk rock gig.

I would not call myself righteous

King David was called righteous and he killed a man so he could boink the poor guy's wife. Even though he had numerous wives already. I don't think he was too sure about his convictions and I could see him at a sweaty night club or punk rock gig.

I think you are mistaking righteousness with self righteousness.

 

[Earthling]

What does 'unrighteous' mean here? Who makes the team?

Like I said in the OP, Acts of the apostles 24:15 is actually in reference to those who haven't heard of Jehovah, his plan, his promise, his Word, his son etc.

Not till the old rascal answered a LOT of questions ─ along the lines of, Why didn't you say? Why didn't you do?

And, You created sexuality ─ what's with the homophobia?

And your divorce from Asherah, what's the story?

And was there really an historical Jesus? Really? How was the Y-chromosome bit done?

Well, you would have 1,000 years to learn the answers to those questions. Even, I suppose, the stupid, childish and spiteful ones. That's sort of the point I think most are missing. 1,000 years without sickness, disease, death, pollution, crime, natural disasters, hunger etc. and then you can **** it all and go out with a bang with Satan. But that's why the invitation to this "judgement day" isn't really extended to you and I. We've already judged ourselves in this life. It's just a hypothetical.

 

[Earthling]

Not before telling God what I really think about Him.

That's fine, although, you can do that now. You sort of are doing that now.

 

[Altfish]

King David was called righteous and he killed a man so he could boink the poor guy's wife. Even though he had numerous wives already. I don't think he was too sure about his convictions and I could see him at a sweaty night club or punk rock gig.

I think you are mistaking righteousness with self righteousness.

Maybe but Righteousness is not a phrase I associate with myself

 

[viole]

Sarcasm?

Not at all.

If I were resurrected and the existence of God were obvious, then I would change my mind.

Who wouldn’t?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Truly Enlightened]

According to my understanding of the Bible, believers are judged in this life, so judgement day isn't for them. Judgement day is also not for the unbelievers because they are, like Christians, judged in this lifetime. Judgement day is a period of time when the unrighteous are resurrected in order to present them, having not been introduced to the good news of the kingdom, to then make an informed decision. But what if you, an unbeliever, was resurrected to judgement day and it was obvious that God did exist. Would you change your position?

Why do we need to die first, before we can learn the truth, or change our position? After death, our position would become irrelevant and academic? I could promise anyone anything, if payment can only be claimed after death. Even the best con men wouldn't try this hustle.

 

[Looncall]

Why do we need to die first, before we can learn the truth, or change our position? After death, our position would become irrelevant and academic? I could promise anyone anything, if payment can only be claimed after death. Even the best con men wouldn't try this hustle.

You might like to search "Kissing Hank's ***" for an excellent satire on your point that illuminates the scam that is religion.

 

[ChristineM]

This is the thing that puzzles me. Many say they believe in God. They say that and it's fine, but the demons know and yet shudder. It begs the question what does it mean to believe in God? Jesus gave an illustration that the religious couldn't get but the children could. A father gives commands to two of his sons, one says he won't follow the commands but he does, the other says he will follow them but he doesn't. Which did the will of his father?

Atheists have this independent sort of perspective that presents God as a childish narcissistic ego maniac who gets something out of people worshiping him. It's not for his benefit.

Wrong, atheist have the same view of god as they do of harry potter. I.e. a fictional character in a book. And the only ones getting something out of worshipping a god are the people doing the worshipping. That is their choice.

 

[Jollybear]

I'm under no illusion that such a being could not be flawed, prejudicial or cruel. And if having sex with the member of the same sex is enough for punishment then it's not a being I want to hang out with.
Might doesn't make right. Age doesn't make wisdom. And power doesn't make purpose.

I agree with your thought process here, but at the same time, under this scenario, wer not just dealing with a being that has might and power and age, wer dealing with a being that is eternal and CREATED the entire existing universe.

You would not first want to find out WHY this being has punishment in mind?

 

[Earthling]

Not at all.

If I were resurrected and the existence of God were obvious, then I would change my mind.

Who wouldn’t?

Ciao

- viole

Myriads of people. Many, many people.

 

[Faithofchristian]

According to my understanding of the Bible, believers are judged in this life, so judgement day isn't for them. Judgement day is also not for the unbelievers because they are, like Christians, judged in this lifetime. Judgement day is a period of time when the unrighteous are resurrected in order to present them, having not been introduced to the good news of the kingdom, to then make an informed decision. But what if you, an unbeliever, was resurrected to judgement day and it was obvious that God did exist. Would you change your position?

Nope not at all, whether it be unbelievers or believers, all shall stand before the Judgement seat of Christ Jesus. As it is written,
Romans 14:10---"But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ"

To be judge accordingly to what people have done in the body of flesh and blood, Whether it be unbelievers or believers, all shall stand before the judgement seat of Christ Jesus, that everyone may receive the things they done in his body, whether it be good or bad.

2 Corinthians 5:10--"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad"

And then after the thousand years have expired, Then shall all stand before God the Father at his Great White Throne judgement seat, to be judge accordingly to what they have done in the spirit.

Revelation 20:11-12--"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them"

12- "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works"

This is what prompted Christ Jesus to say, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"
Matthew 10:28.

This all takes place at God's Great White Throne judgement, This being that time Christ Jesus spoke of in Matthew 10:28 that God shall destroy both body and soul in hell. This being the Great White Throne judgement of God's.Whether they are unbelievers or believers all shall stand before God's Great White Throne judgement.

 

[JJ50]

Nope not at all, whether it be unbelievers or believers, all shall stand before the Judgement seat of Christ Jesus. As it is written,
Romans 14:10.

To be judge accordingly to what people have done in the body of flesh and blood, Whether it be unbelievers or believers, all shall stand before the judgement seat of Christ Jesus, that everyone may receive the things they done in his body, whether it be good or bad.
2 Corinthians 5:10.

And then after the thousand years have expired, Then shall all stand before God the Father at his Great White Throne judgement seat, to be judge accordingly to what they have done in the spirit.
Revelation 20:11-12.

This is why Christ Jesus said, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"
Matthew 10:28.

This all takes place at God's Great White Throne judgement, This being that time Christ Jesus spoke of in Matthew 10:28 that God shall destroy both body and soul in hell. This being the Great White Throne judgement of God's.Whether they are unbelievers or believers all shall stand before God's Great White Throne judgement.

Not a credible scenario with no evidence to support it, the Bible is not evidence.

 

[viole]

Myriads of people. Many, many people.

That would be highly irrational.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Faithofchristian]

Not a credible scenario with no evidence to support it, the Bible is not evidence.

Maybe not to you, but for Christians the Bible is all the evidence we need.

 

[Curious George]

. But what if you, an unbeliever, was resurrected to judgement day and it was obvious that God did exist. Would you change your position?

Hard to disagree when we assume so much.

 

[blü 2]

Like I said in the OP, Acts of the apostles 24:15 is actually in reference to those who haven't heard of Jehovah, his plan, his promise, his Word, his son etc.

I don't get it. What's unrighteous about not having heard of something?

Well, you would have 1,000 years to learn the answers to those questions. Even, I suppose, the stupid, childish and spiteful ones. That's sort of the point I think most are missing.

And I continue not to get it. Why aren't the answers to those questions available now, to anyone and everyone? If you took a show on the road and it was as badly organized, with as poor communications and confusion of messages, as this one, you'd be out of business and into bankruptcy before you could blink.

1,000 years without sickness, disease, death, pollution, crime, natural disasters, hunger etc. and then you can **** it all and go out with a bang with Satan.

Doesn't it sound suspicious to you that it's all going to be so easy, but not yet? Doesn't it remind you of Jesus' promise in all three synoptics to establish the Kingdom within the lifetime of some of his audience, and now he's running dang near 2,000 years late? Doesn't it remind you of promises, promises?

But that's why the invitation to this "judgement day" isn't really extended to you and I. We've already judged ourselves in this life. It's just a hypothetical.

I'm glad we got round to assessing our lives while we still have them. That's the only chance I know of to assess our lives.

 

[Truly Enlightened]

Myriads of people. Many, many people.

Sounds like a typical Trump response. Without the word "myriad" of course.

 

[Jumi]

For theists who don't believe in judgment day it could be the same question, I think.

 

[JJ50]

Maybe not to you, but for Christians the Bible is all the evidence we need.

My daughters are Christians, the eldest an Anglican Priest, but not Biblical literalists, thank goodness.