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Newton - The Last Of The Magicians

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
2) General relativity has so far proved to be very well tested for the most part both in successfully giving us all the correct predictions we'd obtain from Newtonian gravitation and succeeding where Newtonian gravity fails (namely, in explaining the motions of things like planets as well as larger systems). However, general relativity explains gravitation as a dynamical interaction between the physical system of spacetime and what we would classically think of as physical systems in space and time. Simply put, in general relativity gravity is not a force. Gravitation is just a term we give to the effects that result from the manner in which systems with energy change the local geometry of spacetime.
I agree on your description of the "Newtonian gravity", but i don´t think the Einsteinian model is that much better.

Einsteins "rubber sheet gravity model" and his "curvation of space-time" is highly speculative and STILL bound to the Newtonial gravity model instead of taking a new and logical approach to the very phenomenon of motions in the Universe.

We have to go electromagnetic in this matter. Electromagnetism and its strong force works on the plasma stages of gas and dust are the very cause to all rotational and orbital motions in the entire Universe.

The very helical motion in electric currents creates the rotational motion in cosmic clouds - and the magnetic field from this current creates the perpendicular motions which, for instants, makes the very disks in galactic structures.

The formative motions in galaxies "goes both ways" because of the polarities in magnetisme. In this way an attractive force is initially assembling plasmatic gas and dust into the (galactic) center where gas and matter is assembled into gaseous and metallic spheres which become stars and planets, melted together by the strong electromagnetic force.

When these spheres are "mature" and have reached a critical mass, the formative and whirling forces slings these stars and planets OUT from the galactic center and further out in the galactic surroundings. (As observed by the "galactic rotation curve")

This is the formative processes in our galaxy and it also provides the rotational and orbital motions in our Solar System. There is NO "gravity" in work here and the assumed "force of gravity" is quite out of all equations.

Einsteins "curvation of space-time" is simply the result of the electromagnetic formation and magnetic spherical motions.

The feeling of weight on the Earth is the weight of the atmospheric pressure and nothing more. Newton just assumed his gravity and he was fooled to induce this assumed force into the Solar System, also assuming the Sun to hold the planets in their orbits as a gravitational center, but this is a cosmological fairy tale and it was of course proven wrong on the larger scale in galaxies.

This lead to the invention of "dark matter" and this "dark matter" lead to all other kinds of "dark this and that" because scientists STILL hold onto the gravity fairy tales of Newton and all the ad hoc assumptions which logically followed, simply because of following a wrong cosmological model.

There is NO "heavy black holes in galaxies" which hold the stars in position. as well! The central motion in galaxies should rather be called "funnels of cosmic birth" and it´s dynamic motions are to be compared to cosmic hurricanes.

Relevant Links:
Plasma cosmology - Wikipedia
Electric Universe
 
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joelr

Well-Known Member
I agree on your description of the "Newtonian gravity", but i don´t think the Einsteinian model is that much better.

Einsteins "rubber sheet gravity model" and his "curvation of space-time" is highly speculative and STILL bound to the Newtonial gravity model instead of taking a new and logical approach to the very phenomenon of motions in the Universe.

We have to go electromagnetic in this matter. Electromagnetism and its strong force works on the plasma stages of gas and dust are the very cause to all rotational and orbital motions in the entire Universe.

The very helical motion in electric currents creates the rotational motion in cosmic clouds - and the magnetic field from this current creates the perpendicular motions which, for instants, makes the very disks in galactic structures.

The formative motions in galaxies "goes both ways" because of the polarities in magnetisme. In this way an attractive force is initially assembling plasmatic gas and dust into the (galactic) center where gas and matter is assembled into gaseous and metallic spheres which become stars and planets, melted together by the strong electromagnetic force.

When these spheres are "mature" and have reached a critical mass, the formative and whirling forces slings these stars and planets OUT from the galactic center and further out in the galactic surroundings. (As observed by the "galactic rotation curve")

This is the formative processes in our galaxy and it also provides the rotational and orbital motions in our Solar System. There is NO "gravity" in work here and the assumed "force of gravity" is quite out of all equations.

Einsteins "curvation of space-time" is simply the result of the electromagnetic formation and magnetic spherical motions.

The feeling of weight on the Earth is the weight of the atmospheric pressure and nothing more. Newton just assumed his gravity and he was fooled to induce this assumed force into the Solar System, also assuming the Sun to hold the planets in their orbits as a gravitational center, but this is a cosmological fairy tale and it was of course proven wrong on the larger scale in galaxies.

This lead to the invention of "dark matter" and this "dark matter" lead to all other kinds of "dark this and that" because scientists STILL hold onto the gravity fairy tales of Newton and all the ad hoc assumptions which logically followed, simply because of following a wrong cosmological model.

There is NO "heavy black holes in galaxies" which hold the stars in position. as well! The central motion in galaxies should rather be called "funnels of cosmic birth" and it´s dynamic motions are to be compared to cosmic hurricanes.

Relevant Links:
Plasma cosmology - Wikipedia
Electric Universe

I'm pretty sure everyone already knows why you are arguing against gravity which is because at some point you were convinced that electric universe thing is valid.
It's long since been debunked and is old news. It was a scam to sell books.

You might want to read some of the debunking material and see if any of it makes sense to you.

How to debunk 'The Electric Universe'?

The Electric Universe Acid Test » Michael Shermer

http://www.everythingselectric.com/electric-universe-debunked/

"
From my cursory overview of the stuff these people have online, there are a few really glaring problems:

  1. First and foremost, it doesn't appear that the electric universe model makes any quantitative predictions. I don't see any models for how stars and galaxies are supposed to form and behave, just a bunch of words about how gravitational models make too many assumptions or rely on too much theory, whatever that means. Really, this theory is not even wrong.
  2. Also, it appears that these models don't really discuss the equivalence principle. If you're going to use electricity to explain gravity, you need to explain why the rate at which something falls is independent of that object's charge (minus electric self-force), and also independent of that object's mass. Why do all objects near the Earth fall with the same acceleration?
  3. While dark matter and dark energy are problems, they solve problems that arise within a quantitative model. In particular, the standard Λ" style="position: relative;" tabindex="0" id="MathJax-Element-14-Frame" class="MathJax">Λ
  1. CDM models very precisely predict the relative abundance of hydrogen and helium in our universe. If the 'electric' universe can't do that, then it has a bigger problem than dark matter/dark energy
  2. Also, these people seem to believe in an eternal static universe with an infinite extent. They need to explain how they resolve Olbers' paradox
This list is hardly exhaustive, but these are a few starting points.

EDIT: This theory appears to be describing this:

Plasma cosmology - Wikipedia

Plasma cosmology doesn't predict Hubble's Law, the relative abundances of the elements or the cosmic microwave background."
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Those wouldn't be theories in the scientific sense of the word.
Most of the discussions about what counts as a "theory" in the sciences take place in the philosophy of science literature, politics, and in popular/sensationalist stuff. Most scientific literature doesn't use the concept of a "theory" the way one is taught even as an undergrad in the natural, biological, or other sciences. But that's largely another issue and I generally have a problem with this kind of talk mainly because of the issues I have with how STEM and similar movements make sweeping statements about the nature of science that are highly misleading, don't reflect our actual practice, and tend to have the opposite effect than the one intended: they increase ignorance rather than educate.
In physics, however, there is something rather unique when it comes to what "theories" consist of. As in other fields, in physics one finds things that are theories/theoretical frameworks discussed constantly in the literature without anybody calling them theories, and plenty of uses of the word "theory" to refer to things that do not at all conform to what the "scientific sense" is supposed to be. Again, this is just the nature of scientific research. Gauge theory is a framework akin to information theory rather than evolutionary theory (which is actually somewhat broader than most fields), hypothesis testing is a methodology used in HEP as it is elsewhere (accept machine learning), and so on.
But in physics alone quite frequently the word "theory" means "Lagrangian". Effective field theory is a good example in that it both encompasses this usage along with a modern philosophical bent towards the nature of fundamental physics and quantum foundations in which e.g., Newtonian gravitation or classical electromagnetism can or cannot serve as valid theories in their own domains:
“Effective Theories” are theories because they are able to organize phenomena under an efficient set of principles, and they are effective because it is not impossibly complex to compute outcomes. The only way a theory can be effective is if it is manifestly incomplete...the natural tendency of young students entering science is to believe a theory is either right or useless, when they can never be completely right, but rather merely Effective Theories that are “correct enough for our purposes in this domain.” Frequent and formalized reminders of this are helpful for newcomers to the field.
The other purpose of emphasizing the name Effective Theories is to force us to confront a theory’s flaws, its incompleteness, and its domain of applicability as an integral part of the theory enterprise."
Wells, J. D. (2012). Effective Theories in Physics. From Planetary Orbits to Elementary Particle Masses (SpringerBriefs in Physics). Springer.
It's true that most of the time in the literature (as well as in symposia or conferences or seminars and what have you) we use terms like "theory", "model", "hypothesis", etc., interchangeably and often don't bother to use the term "theory" at all except when it is something that everybody knows is no more a "theory" in the sense used by educators and in the source you give than is group theory or number theory, but physics is special in another way in that in no other realm of inquiry is there such a divide between what are now called "experimentalists" and "theorists". In fields like neuroscience or radiology or biochemical engineering the scientists working on extending or modifying some existing theoretical framework (or competing against one) are the scientists who are involved in the experimental evidence that is supposed to underlie all scientific theory according to popular misconceptions perpetuated in science classes the world over. In physics, the tendency towards specialization has resulted not only in ever-increasing research areas and division within fields, but also into a more fundamental dichotomy. Theories QCD, relativistic quantum information theory, the standard model, etc., are developed by theorists largely without empirical data. That's what theorists do. Experimentalists are the ones tasked with trying to devise ways to provide theorists with empirical data. So theories in physics are developed by scientists who never actually do any experiments or empirical observations, while experimentalists (the ones who design and implement the actual experiments, make the actual observations, and obtain empirical data) often do not even understand much of what they are supposed to be testing as they aren't theorists.
Where your point does have some validity, though, is in the more highly speculative attempts at an approach towards a theory that explains either how the quantum realm emerges from a deeper physical reality that is closer to the one relativists/cosmologists tend to favor (i.e., dynamical spacetime) or how spacetime emerges from a deeper quantum reality or how both emerge. I tend to regard many theories that are or are akin to the collection of approaches variously lumped under the catch-all term "string theory" or something similar as so far removed from physics that even the tentative connection with the sense of "theory" in physics as something in which can write down the Lagrangian of a system (or something like one) that they are not really physics at all.
The rest of your post seems to be a long description of how we don't know how to reconcile GR with QFT which is true but is not the same thing as us not having a theory or explanation of gravity.
We have theories. The most used one (Newtonian) is the one that explains nothing because it is wrong but quite useful much of the time. Where we have an explanation is for the most part in GR, but here we have a problem with the explanation and most especially if we wish to think of the theory as explaining gravity. After all, gravitation is supposed to influence all physical systems and their components, as indeed we know from the way Newtonian gravitation is used in everything from astrophysics to biophysics (usually indirectly via some form of analytical mechanics with fictional forces and generalized coordinates you may recall from upper level undergrad physics rather than as the notoriously inelegant and impossibly complicated equations we teach high school students or first year undergrad mechanics).
The problem is that GR as a theory tells us what we had thought to be a force and what we continue out of convenience and habit to refer to as gravitation or gravity as if it were a force is actually the local changes energy make to the geometrical structures of spacetime. So, if GR is an explanation of gravity, it would explain how there isn't any such thing as gravity or gravitation and we should instead think of Newtonian gravity as the incorrect explanation of motion due to a non-existent force. The problem, though, is that this explanation requires our theory of everything else in the universe to be quite wrong (by "everything else" I mean our theories that explain the fundamental constituents of all physical reality via e.g., the standard model and some physics beyond it in a few cases).
As an explanation then, GR explains how we shouldn't think of gravity at all and tells us that the way we might approach it in our most successful physical theories ever is quite wrong: from electrons to galaxies no physical system can exist without interacting with spacetime in a way that is quite obviously and necessarily inconsistent and incompatible with the basic tenets of a far more successful theory: quantum mechanics and its extensions. Quantization involves explaining the nature of physical reality ultimately in a way that doesn't make sense in the context of GR:
"The global structure of space-time is need for the commutation relations between observables, in particular for the causal commutativity at (arbitrarily large) space-like separations. The local metric structure is needed in the formulation of dynamical laws in quantum field theory. Translation invariance is necessary for the definition of energy momentum which, in turn, is central for the formulation of stability and nuclearity."
Haag, R. (1996). Local Quantum Physics: Fields, Particles, and Algebras (2nd Rev. Ed.) (Texts and Monographs in Physics). Springer

In short, the "global structure" needed for the "observables" referred to above is absolutely basic to quantum mechanics and everything built using it (e.g., QED, the standard model, etc.). The "global" here refers to the way in which we require space-time to be the metaphorical background arena to physical phenomena rather than a part of their dynamics. So at the heart of our theories and explanations for the nature of matter, energy, etc., is a space-time structure and explanation of spacetime that cannot exist according to the explanation we are given by GR. It is not a matter simply of the fact that we haven't reconciled quantum theory with general relativity. It's that the one excludes the entirety of the other, including any purported explanation.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
More importantly, though, general relativity completely fails to predict anything or even be compatible with anything that correctly predicts the behavior of atomic or subatomic "particles". In the standard model of particle physics as well as just about all effective quantum field theories (and quantum mechanics), we run into problems even with special relativity. But in special relativity, space is affine. So one can still quantize (canonically or otherwise) classical systems/forces and arrive at e.g., QED or the standard model or whatever. However, there is no way to quantize systems (canonically or otherwise) without doing so by treating the systems as somehow described in spacetime. Simply put, we can't treat systems quantum-mechanically without doing so by describing them in spacetime, and general relativity requires that they be treated as interacting with a dynamical spacetime not quantized within one.
3) In particle physics, we have the graviton. One can go to the Particle Data Group or to standard references and find that the spin of the graviton, that it is a kind of boson, and so on, and yet there is absolutely no empirical evidence for any such entity. It is not even entirely clear what form such evidence might take. Mostly we just take what what must be true of forces in the standard model apply this to what we would like from quantizing gravitation even though this doesn't actually lead anywhere.

So, we have the most familiar form of gravity provided by Newtonian gravitation that has been thoroughly tested and so we know that it breaks down and we know at least at large-scales how and when it does. We know that this force doesn't exist as more than a useful mathematical model. The best theory of gravitation is then the theory of general relativity, in which gravity isn't a force. This highly successful theory is completely at odds with the entire nature, structure, and framework of modern fundamental/particle physics. Then we have the theory of gravity in particle physics: there is a particle that doesn't exist but if it did we could say some stuff about some properties it would have to have given the standard model.



GR predicted gravitational lensing, gravity waves and gave the correct prediction for a glitch in Mercury's orbit that we could not calculate from Newtonian gravity.
It also predicts the universe is expanding and black holes. All of those things have been shown to be correct.
It also predicts time dillation in which the error corrections are used in all GPS communications. Without GR corrections all GPS would be way off.
It doesn't predict much regarding particles because at that scale gravity is negligent. It has almost no effects in the atomic realm. But it does explain the behavior around and inside black holes, neutron stars and other degenerate matter. But it predicts that just like objects moving at high speeds have time dilation and length contraction the same happens in a gravitational field. This is confirmed.

Gravity can be quantized, that isn't the problem, the problem the equations give infinite energy. A problem that plagued the math regarding electron orbits as well for a time.
There would not be emprical evidence for a graviton because they possibly exist at a much smaller scale than familiar particles.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Most of the discussions about what counts as a "theory" in the sciences take place...

What a lot of words that really don't add much to the topic. So, scientist don't always use word 'theory' in the same sense and, yet again, we don't know how to reconcile QM with QFT. What that means is that one or both of them will need to be modified and incorporated into a new theory.

Still doen's change my point one iota.
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Native said:
I agree on your description of the "Newtonian gravity", but i don´t think the Einsteinian model is that much better.

Einsteins "rubber sheet gravity model" and his "curvation of space-time" is highly speculative and STILL bound to the Newtonial gravity model instead of taking a new and logical approach to the very phenomenon of motions in the Universe.

We have to go electromagnetic in this matter. Electromagnetism and its strong force works on the plasma stages of gas and dust are the very cause to all rotational and orbital motions in the entire Universe.

The very helical motion in electric currents creates the rotational motion in cosmic clouds - and the magnetic field from this current creates the perpendicular motions which, for instants, makes the very disks in galactic structures.

The formative motions in galaxies "goes both ways" because of the polarities in magnetisme. In this way an attractive force is initially assembling plasmatic gas and dust into the (galactic) center where gas and matter is assembled into gaseous and metallic spheres which become stars and planets, melted together by the strong electromagnetic force.

When these spheres are "mature" and have reached a critical mass, the formative and whirling forces slings these stars and planets OUT from the galactic center and further out in the galactic surroundings. (As observed by the "galactic rotation curve")

This is the formative processes in our galaxy and it also provides the rotational and orbital motions in our Solar System. There is NO "gravity" in work here and the assumed "force of gravity" is quite out of all equations.

Einsteins "curvation of space-time" is simply the result of the electromagnetic formation and magnetic spherical motions.

The feeling of weight on the Earth is the weight of the atmospheric pressure and nothing more. Newton just assumed his gravity and he was fooled to induce this assumed force into the Solar System, also assuming the Sun to hold the planets in their orbits as a gravitational center, but this is a cosmological fairy tale and it was of course proven wrong on the larger scale in galaxies.

This lead to the invention of "dark matter" and this "dark matter" lead to all other kinds of "dark this and that" because scientists STILL hold onto the gravity fairy tales of Newton and all the ad hoc assumptions which logically followed, simply because of following a wrong cosmological model.

There is NO "heavy black holes in galaxies" which hold the stars in position. as well! The central motion in galaxies should rather be called "funnels of cosmic birth" and it´s dynamic motions are to be compared to cosmic hurricanes.

Relevant Links:
Plasma cosmology - Wikipedia
Electric Universe
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Hi Joelr and thanks for your elaborations :)
I'm pretty sure everyone already knows why you are arguing against gravity which is because at some point you were convinced that electric universe thing is valid.
It's long since been debunked and is old news. It was a scam to sell books.
For your information I rejected the cosmological idea of gravity long before I got familiar with the Plasma Cosmology and Electric Universe.
I´ve already been there and read that.

From my cursory overview of the stuff these people have online, there are a few really glaring problems:
  1. First and foremost, it doesn't appear that the electric universe model makes any quantitative predictions. I don't see any models for how stars and galaxies are supposed to form and behave, just a bunch of words about how gravitational models make too many assumptions or rely on too much theory, whatever that means. Really, this theory is not even wrong.
Well, listen and watch this video -

(I know there are some strange "planetary nutcase ideas" in the ThunderboltsProject based on misinterpreted Ancient Myths, but I think this video is a fair presentation of the PC and EU)
Also, it appears that these models don't really discuss the equivalence principle. If you're going to use electricity to explain gravity, you need to explain why the rate at which something falls is independent of that object's charge (minus electric self-force), and also independent of that object's mass. Why do all objects near the Earth fall with the same acceleration?
I AM going to use PC and EU in order to explain why gravity isn´t there at all, but it is a long story. The question of "fall" is easy. It´s just the weight from the atmospheric pressure wich works with the similar laws as the assumed "gravity" around the Earth.
While dark matter and dark energy are problems, they solve problems that arise within a quantitative model. In particular, the standard Λ" style="position: relative;" tabindex="0" id="MathJax-Element-14-Frame" class="MathJax">Λ
I´ll advise you to find the damn thing before you take it into all kinds of considerations :) Circumstantial evidences don´t count in the court of real science,
CDM models very precisely predict the relative abundance of hydrogen and helium in our universe. If the 'electric' universe can't do that, then it has a bigger problem than dark matter/dark energy
Why should the EU have to predict this? The EU doesn´t accept the Big Bang at all.
Olbers' paradox
Quote: "The paradox is that a static, infinitely old universe with an infinite number of stars distributed in an infinitely large space would be bright rather than dark".

This is pure speculations. All formations in the observable Universe undergoes a cyclical process of formation, dissolution and re-formation, thus changing between dimmer, darker and lighter appearances.
Plasma cosmology doesn't predict Hubble's Law, the relative abundances of the elements or the cosmic microwave background."
No the PC doesn´t predict Hubbles law, "they" just reject it, but of course "they" accept the CMBR . (For my own part I´ll say it has ALWAYS been there)
 
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Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
In physics, however, there is something rather unique when it comes to what "theories" consist of. As in other fields, in physics one finds things that are theories/theoretical frameworks discussed constantly in the literature without anybody calling them theories, and plenty of uses of the word "theory" to refer to things that do not at all conform to what the "scientific sense" is supposed to be. Again, this is just the nature of scientific research.
Just call it "ideas" :)
We have theories. The most used one (Newtonian) is the one that explains nothing because it is wrong but quite useful much of the time. Where we have an explanation is for the most part in GR, but here we have a problem with the explanation and most especially if we wish to think of the theory as explaining gravity. After all, gravitation is supposed to influence all physical systems and their components, as indeed we know from the way Newtonian gravitation is used in everything from astrophysics to biophysics (usually indirectly via some form of analytical mechanics with fictional forces and generalized coordinates you may recall from upper level undergrad physics rather than as the notoriously inelegant and impossibly complicated equations we teach high school students or first year undergrad mechanics).
The Newtonian ideas of "gravity" are nothing more but a collective hypnosis, very well cemented in the human mind and in textbooks.

It´s the same case with particles = mass = gravity = motions. This is just a mass hypnosis. Atomic particles have their electromagnetic qualities which can bind particles together or repell these. It is the electromagnetic forces which creates mass and motions and not this fairy tale glue of gravity.
In short, the "global structure" needed for the "observables" referred to above is absolutely basic to quantum mechanics and everything built using it (e.g., QED, the standard model, etc.). The "global" here refers to the way in which we require space-time to be the metaphorical background arena to physical phenomena rather than a part of their dynamics. So at the heart of our theories and explanations for the nature of matter, energy, etc., is a space-time structure and explanation of spacetime that cannot exist according to the explanation we are given by GR. It is not a matter simply of the fact that we haven't reconciled quantum theory with general relativity. It's that the one excludes the entirety of the other, including any purported explanation.
If I understand you correct, we have the need for making "time-observations" in order to have the human communication going and making "our little things", which is fine indeed. But on the cosmic and Universal scale, we are having huge troubles with our human time conceptions, yes?

In most of the Ancient Stories of Creation they didn´t have any problems with "time", not even on the cosmic or Universal scales. They had the very comfortable conviction that everything is cyclical and eternal.
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
GR predicted gravitational lensing, gravity waves and gave the correct prediction for a glitch in Mercury's orbit that we could not calculate from Newtonian gravity.
It also predicts the universe is expanding and black holes. All of those things have been shown to be correct
First you have a wrong cosmological model based on "gravity". Then you look for possible predictions wich fits into this wrong model and when you think you´ve found someting, then you call it evidences.

It´s STILL a wrong cosmological model though.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
First you have a wrong cosmological model based on "gravity". Then you look for possible predictions wich fits into this wrong model and when you think you´ve found someting, then you call it evidences.

It´s STILL a wrong cosmological model though.

Who says its the wrong model? Cosmologists or you?
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
First you have a wrong cosmological model based on "gravity".

This is an assertion you keep making but I've yet to see the first hint of a reason to believe you.

Then you look for possible predictions wich fits into this wrong model and when you think you´ve found someting, then you call it evidences.

That is what evidence is. If a theory makes a prediction, that is not made by other theories, and it proves correct, then the observation is evidence for the theory.

You have yet to even try to explain all the (many, many, many) correct predictions we get from gravitation theories - and you have nothing concrete to replace it. As has been pointed out, electromagnetism doesn't work and doesn't explain the observations.

It´s STILL a wrong cosmological model though.

Baseless assertion, again.
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Native said:
Then you look for possible predictions wich fits into this wrong model and when you think you´ve found someting, then you call it evidences.
That is what evidence is. If a theory makes a prediction, that is not made by other theories, and it proves correct, then the observation is evidence for the theory.
It´s not universal evidence to find predictions which fits into a wrong model which in itself doesn´t fit to other cosmological models.

At it´s best this is just wishfull thinking based on assumptions and speculations.
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Once again, no defence of your ludicrous attempt to subvert science. Expected.
I really like to discuss cosmological and mythological matters, but you don´t see to me to contribute with much more than repetations and personal comments.
So you are OUT of my mind.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I really like to discuss cosmological and mythological matters, but you don´t see to me to contribute with much more than repetations and personal comments.
So you are OUT of my mind.

The problem is that you need to mix cosmology and mythology and when asked to justify your claims you either provide unattributed mumbo jumbo, completely ignore the question or adopt what is your attitude to me, i.e. that questions you cant answer are repetition or personal comment and mock/patronise the poster
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Apropos the topic title of Newton - The Last of the Magicians:

I think if Newton had found the Philosophers Stone he would have stated this:

There is just 1 force and it is eternal.

It works via two basic polarities.
it works in spherical motions.
It works with different charges all over the spectrum.
It works in all kinds of elementary stages.
It binds particles together and give weight.
It repells particles from each other.
It gives rotational and orbital motions to everything
It´s called the Electromagnetic Force - And it constitutes the Theory Of Everything.

Have a nice day :)
 
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