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The origins of religion

RESOLUTION

Active Member
It's not an accident. We are here because the parts added up and here we are. Ever play with molecular toys, like balls and sticks and stuff where you can make your own molecular models? Well, life is like that: there are only so many configurations and source materials. We are what you get when those things are there. It's not an "accident", even if it's not guided by sentience. An accident would be to have 2 hydrogens and an oxygen and get gold out of it. It will never happen. It's not how atoms work.

As to the OP, religion seems to be a fixation on certain assumptions about reality, starting with the most basic: walk this way to get this result and walk that way to get that result. That kind of thing. It doesn't matter if how you walked was the deciding factor. You assumed so therefore it was. Once life started showing you exceptions, you couldn't decide walking wasn't the factor, so you add on that a person of some sort must also sign off on it somehow.


Life cannot come from none life.

A fact we cannot ignore or walk away from and which makes evolution impossible.
Given what we or should I say what we are told about earth, space and time. Then we really should next exist at all.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Life cannot come from none life.

A fact we cannot ignore or walk away from and which makes evolution impossible.
Given what we or should I say what we are told about earth, space and time. Then we really should next exist at all.

First you confuse evolution with abiogenesis, this is a typical mistake but a mistake it is.

Second, i know at least 2 experiment where life has been created from none life. Seems quite easy when you have the correct conditions
 

RESOLUTION

Active Member
First you confuse evolution with abiogenesis, this is a typical mistake but a mistake it is.

Second, i know at least 2 experiment where life has been created from none life. Seems quite easy when you have the correct conditions

No I did not confuse anything. Since the Abiogenesis the life coming from none life was another way they tried to use for explaining evolution rather than a big bang theory etc.
The experiments you refer to did not create a living form such a human beings or animals. Why make a statement about experiments which you know those in the know can show they were not LIFE as in living beings? From your answer, it would appear you want to make something into something it is not. Fact is none of my ancestors were apes. Our line goes right back to us being human. Why do you believe monkeys and apes still exist? What evolution process have you seen over the last 2,000 years of life and new species coming from none life.

In the bible it says:-
Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

King James Bible
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

According to the bible, mans life did not come from the dust/soil he was formed from but the very breath of God himself.
But note after the fall the soil/dust is cursed not the same as when God formed man.

If they hope to find an answer in that which already exists, like the soil/dust for formation they won't find it because it changed it became cursed and the life cannot be find outside God. For life proceeded from God himself in man.

When we look at actual writings in the bible we see only God holds the keys to life. It is futile for man and his opinions for he cannot even form soil from nothing.
 

Looncall

Well-Known Member
No I did not confuse anything. Since the Abiogenesis the life coming from none life was another way they tried to use for explaining evolution rather than a big bang theory etc.
The experiments you refer to did not create a living form such a human beings or animals. Why make a statement about experiments which you know those in the know can show they were not LIFE as in living beings? From your answer, it would appear you want to make something into something it is not. Fact is none of my ancestors were apes. Our line goes right back to us being human. Why do you believe monkeys and apes still exist? What evolution process have you seen over the last 2,000 years of life and new species coming from none life.

In the bible it says:-
Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

King James Bible
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

According to the bible, mans life did not come from the dust/soil he was formed from but the very breath of God himself.
But note after the fall the soil/dust is cursed not the same as when God formed man.

If they hope to find an answer in that which already exists, like the soil/dust for formation they won't find it because it changed it became cursed and the life cannot be find outside God. For life proceeded from God himself in man.

When we look at actual writings in the bible we see only God holds the keys to life. It is futile for man and his opinions for he cannot even form soil from nothing.

Why do you refer to the ignorant scribblings of the ancients to discuss scientific matters?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
No I did not confuse anything. Since the Abiogenesis the life coming from none life was another way they tried to use for explaining evolution rather than a big bang theory etc.
The experiments you refer to did not create a living form such a human beings or animals. Why make a statement about experiments which you know those in the know can show they were not LIFE as in living beings? From your answer, it would appear you want to make something into something it is not. Fact is none of my ancestors were apes. Our line goes right back to us being human. Why do you believe monkeys and apes still exist? What evolution process have you seen over the last 2,000 years of life and new species coming from none life.

In the bible it says:-
Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

King James Bible
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

According to the bible, mans life did not come from the dust/soil he was formed from but the very breath of God himself.
But note after the fall the soil/dust is cursed not the same as when God formed man.

If they hope to find an answer in that which already exists, like the soil/dust for formation they won't find it because it changed it became cursed and the life cannot be find outside God. For life proceeded from God himself in man.

When we look at actual writings in the bible we see only God holds the keys to life. It is futile for man and his opinions for he cannot even form soil from nothing.

Abiogenesis has never been used to explain evolution except in the mind of the creationist.who does not understand they are two completely separate processes, one chemical, one biological.

The bb theory is a totally different thing all together that occured around 10 billion years before abiogenesis occured on our planet.

Those experiments created life. Life not only includes humans and animals, even bacteria are alive. The results were genetically life. At least one (that i know of) is ongoing and evolution of the lifeform observed. They are completely valid and do not require your approval.

Fact is, your ancestors and you evolved from an ape like mammal.

To put your argument into perspective, why do you believe jews still exist if judaism evolved christians?

Why limit it to 2000 years and there you go again with your confusion, life from non life is a chemical process, evolution is a biological process. And making such a claim shows your complete misunderstanding of both subjects.

The Langkawi bent-toed gecko (Cyrtodactylus macrotuberculatus) is a new species that has been observed evolving over the last few years and the pygmy three-toed sloth (Bradypus pygmaeus) has evolved over the last 10,000 years.

There are many other examples of evolution that are being observed or known to have occured through circumstance.

See my avatar? An example of human evolution over the last 22,000 years. The skull is larger than modern day humans with a thicker bone mass and more pronounced brow ridges.

Yes i have read the bible, it is neither a history or a science book. The defendants of those who wrote the OT believe it to be allegory .You obviously dont

The OT is well over 2000 years old, science has improved since then.

If you want to argue against abiogenesis and evolution i suggest you lean something of the subjects first.
 

RESOLUTION

Active Member
Why do you refer to the ignorant scribblings of the ancients to discuss scientific matters?

If, they were ignorant scribblings then why do so many still believer and refer to them to this present day? Intelligent human beings believe in the being who gave those truths.
Isn't it a fact no one has ever proved your point of view? So why ask me a question with false references as if it made an acceptable question?
 

RESOLUTION

Active Member
Abiogenesis has never been used to explain evolution except in the mind of the creationist.who does not understand they are two completely separate processes, one chemical, one biological.

Do you not get fed up of trying to use and process answers you have been taught rather than thought through for yourself? Abiogenesis is thought as the origin of life.
Now evolution does not give an explanation of where life came from but rather how it evolved. However if Abiogenesis were the origin of life then it naturally becomes by process the start
of evolution as far as life itself is concerned. The fact is living matter regarding evolution has not come from dead matter.

So did the chemical come from biological or the biological come from the chemical?
The fact is ... life only comes from life. What exactly do you want to debate about?





The bb theory is a totally different thing all together that occured around 10 billion years before abiogenesis occured on our planet.

As we only have biogensis how are you going to sustain that abiogenesis every occurred at any point on this planet?
The Big bang would have been the start of everything that came into existence, would it not, be it chemical or biological?
Are we really going to nit pit a silly argument. Are you saying the egg cannot exist without the chicken and the chicken without the egg?

Those experiments created life. Life not only includes humans and animals, even bacteria are alive. The results were genetically life. At least one (that i know of) is ongoing and evolution of the lifeform observed. They are completely valid and do not require your approval.

Everyone here would be really impressed if you can show us these experiments and take us through a step by step process showing you understand fully every initial step of the experiment to prove your point. There has been no proof of spontaneous generation.
Fact is, your ancestors and you evolved from an ape like mammal.
As far back as the scientist have gone they have shown that humans and apes have always existed along side each other.
Do you know the difference between a human skeleton and an apes? Human skeletons do not have a curve at the bottom of the spine but all apes and monkeys alike do.
There is no evidence at any point throughout history of an ape like creature becoming a human. It never happened.


To put your argument into perspective, why do you believe jews still exist if judaism evolved christians?

Are you being serious? Do you really believe you can compare the belief systems of humans to creation?
Grabbing at straws...
Why limit it to 2000 years and there you go again with your confusion, life from non life is a chemical process, evolution is a biological process. And making such a claim shows your complete misunderstanding of both subjects.
There you go again....missing the point... biogenesis the fact life only comes from life means abiogenesis does not occur. Why try and deter from the original subject at hand. What is shown is your willingness to believe anything even when it has been disproved. At least no one has proved the bible to be lying. Have you asked yourself why?
The truth is you don't understand the experiments you cling to or how they would possible be able to prove them. Were chemicals and biology not part of the same creation?
How did God form a man from the dust of the earth? What changed that no one can replicate it?
What chemical created man are you saying we do not have chemicals in our bodies? Dead argument.
The Langkawi bent-toed gecko (Cyrtodactylus macrotuberculatus) is a new species that has been observed evolving over the last few years and the pygmy three-toed sloth (Bradypus pygmaeus) has evolved over the last 10,000 years.

Discovered or from cross breeding... All came from other forms of life. Surely you are not saying if we cross two different species we will get a new species of animal?
You see if we cross breed two different dogs we will still get dogs.
The other fact scientist discovered late 70's early 80's was genetic mutation to evolved in humans as quickly as needed would have required atomic explosions on the surface of the earth
and many to allow such mutation for us to evolve to where we were even then. The number of such explosions would have ruined the earth.

There are many other examples of evolution that are being observed or known to have occured through circumstance.
Not true... animals may cross breed but they still remain just another breed of dog etc.

See my avatar? An example of human evolution over the last 22,000 years. The skull is larger than modern day humans with a thicker bone mass and more pronounced brow ridges.

Joseph Merrick came to mind... Also Acromegaly Is a Disorder of an Excess Growth Hormone these are modern day and would you say this man had a large head and the second was a giant? Living in their times does it make them somehow a new species? You see these things prove nothing. We have different human being originating from all over the world. Many difference including size of skulls and even skeletons.

Yes i have read the bible, it is neither a history or a science book. The defendants of those who wrote the OT believe it to be allegory .You obviously dont

The OT is well over 2000 years old, science has improved since then.

If you want to argue against abiogenesis and evolution i suggest you lean something of the subjects first.

I suggest you learn to think for yourself before you try telling others what they should do. All you have said has not added anything to support your stance.
We see you have nothing to support what you believe. There are no samples of new species coming from NOTHING today and cross breeding doesn't count.
As for size of bones especially skulls and skeletal features. Many reasons can account for such sad events with humans. Biogenesis is the only supported truth. Life comes from living things not dead things/
 

Looncall

Well-Known Member
If, they were ignorant scribblings then why do so many still believer and refer to them to this present day? Intelligent human beings believe in the being who gave those truths.
Isn't it a fact no one has ever proved your point of view? So why ask me a question with false references as if it made an acceptable question?

So many still believe because they have been conned or coerced into doing so.

Most of what is known about nature has been discovered only in the last few hundred years. Before that, all that was available was folk tales lacking evidential backing.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Do you not get fed up of trying to use and process answers you have been taught rather than thought through for yourself?

Its called education, you should try it sometime, its far better than guessing.

Now evolution does not give an explanation of where life came from but rather how it evolved. However if Abiogenesis were the origin of life then it naturally becomes by process the start
of evolution as far as life itself is concerned.

Precisely what a said and you denied. Yes also the device that stared the evolution of life on this planet, not the evolution itself.

The fact is living matter regarding evolution has not come from dead matter.

So did the chemical come from biological or the biological come from the chemical?
The fact is ... life only comes from life. What exactly do you want to debate about?

Fact, that is not true. The evidence for abiogenesis is strong .the evidence for god did it with god magic is non existent.
Learn some science rather than asking stupid questions after i have already given you the answer.

As we only have biogensis how are you going to sustain that abiogenesis every occurred at any point on this planet?
The Big bang would have been the start of everything that came into existence, would it not, be it chemical or biological?
Are we really going to nit pit a silly argument. Are you saying the egg cannot exist without the chicken and the chicken without the egg?

D'oh!

:facepalm:

Time appears to be something creationists really have a problem with. Ten BILLION years is not nit picking.

Everyone here would be really impressed if you can show us these experiments and take us through a step by step process showing you understand fully every initial step of the experiment to prove your point. There has been no proof of spontaneous generation.

And i would be really impressed in you actually bothered to even read the link. It seems previous attempts of teaching you biology at school have failed so i wont be wasting my time.
Life's First Spark Re-Created in the Laboratory

As far back as the scientist have gone they have shown that humans and apes have always existed along side each other.
Do you know the difference between a human skeleton and an apes? Human skeletons do not have a curve at the bottom of the spine but all apes and monkeys alike do.
There is no evidence at any point throughout history of an ape like creature becoming a human. It never happened.

Bullpoop, consider your coccyx.

First apes appeared 50 to 55 million years ago. First humans (homo genus) about 5 million years ago. The first modern humans (homo sapiens) appeared about 200,000 years ago.


Are you being serious? Do you really believe you can compare the belief systems of humans to creation?

Exactly the same argument you use, funny how you make excuses in an attempt to discredit it

There you go again....missing the point... biogenesis the fact life only comes from life means abiogenesis does not occur. Why try and deter from the original subject at hand. What is shown is your willingness to believe anything even when it has been disproved. At least no one has proved the bible to be lying. Have you asked yourself why?
The truth is you don't understand the experiments you cling to or how they would possible be able to prove them. Were chemicals and biology not part of the same creation?

Misrepresentation of Pasteurs work does not help your claim. And waffling nonsense doesnt either. Dont tell me what i do and dont understand, projection doesnt help you either.


How did God form a man from the dust of the earth? What changed that no one can replicate it?
What chemical created man are you saying we do not have chemicals in our bodies? Dead argument.

Magic?

Dont tell me what i am saying when what you say i am saying is bull. Of course our bodies are made 100% of chemicals. Dna for example is made of the chemicals adenine, guanine, cytosine and thymine.

Discovered or from cross breeding... All came from other forms of life. Surely you are not saying if we cross two different species we will get a new species of animal?
You see if we cross breed two different dogs we will still get dogs.

Once again you show your ignorance and prove you have not bothered to learn about the subject. Cross breeding had nothing to do with the rise of either species, environment did.

The other fact scientist discovered late 70's early 80's was genetic mutation to evolved in humans as quickly as needed would have required atomic explosions on the surface of the earth
and many to allow such mutation for us to evolve to where we were even then. The number of such explosions would have ruined the earth.

More bull and misrepresentation. This time based on the fear of nuclear testing and inadequate comprehension of the data.

Not true... animals may cross breed but they still remain just another breed of dog etc.

Prove it is not true.


Joseph Merrick came to mind... Also Acromegaly Is a Disorder of an Excess Growth Hormone these are modern day and would you say this man had a large head and the second was a giant? Living in their times does it make them somehow a new species? You see these things prove nothing. We have different human being originating from all over the world. Many difference including size of skulls and even skeletons.

So you say the entire early human race were deformed?

Once again misrepresentation of the facts does not mean you have a point, just that you misrepresent the facts.

And to finish, i will say DNA does not lie
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Missed this bit so.

I suggest you learn to think for yourself before you try telling others what they should do. All you have said has not added anything to support your stance.
We see you have nothing to support what you believe. There are no samples of new species coming from NOTHING today and cross breeding doesn't count.
As for size of bones especially skulls and skeletal features. Many reasons can account for such sad events with humans. Biogenesis is the only supported truth. Life comes from living things not dead things/

Actually what i have i have said is supported by genetics, history, geniology, anthropology and other sciences. !ich better than thinking you know it all by reading a bible bnd misrepresenting facts

No your reasons are just self made confirmation bias to massage your sensibilities.

Pasteur's experiment is irrelevant and was never designed to mimic condition 3.5 BILLION years ago.
 

RESOLUTION

Active Member
Its called education, you should try it sometime, its far better than guessing.

To be honest, repeating what someone tells you is not an education. Being taught how to process what you are told and enable yourself to know if it is true, is an education.
Cheap snide remarks are not asset or a sign of an education.


Precisely what a said and you denied. Yes also the device that stared the evolution of life on this planet, not the evolution itself.

Not what I said. Neither denied. No science chemical or otherwise has given the answer to how life came into existence.
Evolution is a theory... it has no start and no end as far as life. Biogensis is the only evolution we have that living matter produces living matter and so far that is the only evolution we have witnessed the same thing happening over and over again. A human producing a baby a chicken producing an egg. But nowhere has evolution ever provided an answer to where life first originated since no new life has come into existence from dead things regarding species of living beings.


Fact, that is not true. The evidence for abiogenesis is strong .the evidence for god did it with god magic is non existent.
Learn some science rather than asking stupid questions after i have already given you the answer.

SCIENCE does not prove the none existence of God. Nor does it give evidence of Abiogenesis as the way life evolved regarding humans and living species which are nothing to do with plants erc. You have shown no evidence or proof. A name or the scientific names do not provide proof. Biogensis is proved because living matter gives birth to new living matter.
May be education is about knowing why you believe what you do. In my personal case I know the difference between theory and fact. The latter of the two does not appear to be part of the education you have received.


D'oh!

:facepalm:

Time appears to be something creationists really have a problem with. Ten BILLION years is not nit picking.

The evidence that many people both religionists and like yourself, atheists miss out on when reading the bible is this:-

When God created the world he made it a mature world. When God created a man (not a baby) at a day old he was years old.
Had the world the day it was created been examined by scientist it would to all intents and purposes been an aged world by scientific measures and terms.
Just as Adam and Eve would have appeared to have been alive for many human years at just a day old.
God created everything in 7 days but he had to make a mature world and man to survive. In truth man at a day old was biological years old.
But the truth is he was just a day old. The earth was a mature earth but was only created on the day God made it.

The obvious is sometimes overlooked. Please don't D,oh me till you are capable of understanding what the bible and science bring to the table in truth.
Understanding and education should be something you can work out for yourself without having to be told everything.

And i would be really impressed in you actually bothered to even read the link. It seems previous attempts of teaching you biology at school have failed so i wont be wasting my time.
Life's First Spark Re-Created in the Laboratory

So who or what brought them together and mixed them correctly? Which Laboratory made the first spark.

You don't get it., do you. Had life been just a spark the spark would have been ongoing.

No one has created a human being yet from that spark or anything human. How did one spark make so many species and keep on going in life forms but why has it not been on going?

No! THEY HAVE NOT created life from non life. Look at the first sentence "A fundamental but elusive step in the early evolution of life on Earth has been replicated in a laboratory.
Not lifes first spark as the title wrongly states,...Not the actual creation of life. replicated in a laboratory... if it requires a laboratory then it requires someone to create it.
It speaks more for God than just an accident. Because it appears they it does not happen outside a Laboratory or anything already living or in existence.

It brings us back to the old joke....
There’s a scientist and God. And the scientist challenges God to a contest of who can make the better human being. God tells him that he’s on, at which time the scientist, in great delight, bends over to pick up some dust to make his human being. Then God says, ‘No, no … you go and find your own dust.’
So please don't waste both our times with such as the above as it is really not what you are parading it to be.



Bullpoop, consider your coccyx.

First apes appeared 50 to 55 million years ago. First humans (homo genus) about 5 million years ago. The first modern humans (homo sapiens) appeared about 200,000 years ago.

Again quoting from books and not what knowledge you could have gained for yourselves. Only God has shown the ability to create something out of nothing.

Earliest Human Remains Outside Africa Were Just Discovered in Israel | Science | Smithsonian

Just to show you can never take for granted anything you are told regarding the age of existence when it comes to the human kind.

Exactly the same argument you use, funny how you make excuses in an attempt to discredit it

NOT TRUE.. Do you believe throwing such things into the mix will hide your inability to support your arguments?
You see a belief system regarding the Jews and Christians are connected. A Christian is the fulfilment of the OT promises God made to his people.
The New Covenant involving the Messiah would bring Gentiles into the faith with Jews. So believing in the Messiah Gentiles become part of the New Covenant and one people in Gods sight
believing in one Messiah and all Jews. The reason I told you that you need to be educated better is shown by the fact you never understood the Christian is a Jew under the new covenant. Not a new being or faith but the faith fulfilled in it's promised new covenant and the Messiah.Still remains the Jewish faith no new faith.


Misrepresentation of Pasteurs work does not help your claim. And waffling nonsense doesnt either. Dont tell me what i do and dont understand, projection doesnt help you either.

If a baker bakes a bad loaf, does that make the baker a bad person? Will you stoop at nothing to protect your own ignorance being shown?


Magic?

Dont tell me what i am saying when what you say i am saying is bull. Of course our bodies are made 100% of chemicals. Dna for example is made of the chemicals adenine, guanine, cytosine and thymine.

It is a fact try looking beyond your text books and try researching the scientific findings of the late 70's early 80.s

It points to the truth scientists are always changing their minds with new findings and research. You came here to blow people out of the water and ended up falling in yourself.


Once again you show your ignorance and prove you have not bothered to learn about the subject. Cross breeding had nothing to do with the rise of either species, environment did.

Your ignorance is astounding... My reference was to show that there are no new species from scrap. Cross breeding makes new breeds but still they are dogs or whatever animals you cross. Life still proceeds from life.. I was merely showing you no new species have come into being by the same process life first started with. That nothing living comes from dead matter.
More bull and misrepresentation. This time based on the fear of nuclear testing and inadequate comprehension of the data.
Again, because you did not read the information you are unable to accept what I actually said. Proof again you believe what you choose to believe not what you can understand.,


Prove it is not true.

If it weren't true you would have took great delight in showing us. However, it is true....
RESOLUTION said:
Not true... animals may cross breed but they still remain just another breed of dog etc.

However did you allow yourself to give that answer to that quote?

When you CROSS breed two dogs you still get a dog. Never seen two cats give birth to a dog when cross bred or vice versa.




So you say the entire early human race were deformed?

RESOLUTION said:
Joseph Merrick came to mind... Also Acromegaly Is a Disorder of an Excess Growth Hormone these are modern day and would you say this man had a large head and the second was a giant? Living in their times does it make them somehow a new species? You see these things prove nothing. We have different human being originating from all over the world. Many difference including size of skulls and even skeletons.

Does reference to Joseph Merrick make the entire early human race deformed? So why suggest such an outrageous thing?
My reply is clear that it shows your argument to carry NO WEIGHT WHATSOEVER. So if you cannot reply in a debatable manner suitable to the argument at hand I suggest you remain quiet till you can.
Once again misrepresentation of the facts does not mean you have a point, just that you misrepresent the facts.

And to finish, i will say DNA does not lie

Again only you have been shown to misrepresent both your own arguments and even shown yourself misrepresenting my arguments. This shows a lack of understanding and ability to debate issues clearly and present any proper arguments on your own behalf. You alone deliberately misrepresented what I said as if you could build an attack to stop people seeing you were incapable of proving your points, Now everyone can see you are not capable of debating issues at hand because you don't understand what you believe or what others are saying.




Apologies for any spelling mistakes or grammar error dealing with an emergency at present.
 
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Muffled

Jesus in me
Other threads have prompted some random thoughts on this subject.

I look back on my own Catholic upbringing and consider how much influence it had over my perspective for many years while growing up. A lot of ideas about God and religion were drilled into me at an early age - as it has been for generations for thousands of years. So, with many of us, it just becomes part of our upbringing and the overall culture around us.

Of course, some people overcome this and do not believe in the existence of some supernatural deity or deities.

I'll admit I'm no expert on the history of religion, but I was wondering at what point did humans go from having no religion to conceiving that such a thing might be possible. I'm not thinking of any particular religion today, but more along the lines of ancient religions which have possibly fallen into the dustbins of history.

I can see how it might happen, perhaps when early humans were faced with natural phenomena they couldn't understand or explain. And humans can be very creative and imaginative. Humans make stuff up.

Someone in another thread asked where the universe came from, because (in the OP's opinion) "it must have had a starting point." I guess I'm asking the same thing about religion.

Was religion even necessary in human social and cultural development? Would human civilization be more advanced today if religion never existed?

I believe God is the origen of all religion. Sometimes it doesn't seem like it because people develop strange ideas that don't come from God but the fact that anyone develops a religion at all stems from a natural desire to know more.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
You might be over thinking this.

I suspect that religion arose when prehistoric scoundrels found they could escape the daily grind of survival by pretending to talk to gods.

Religions have become more complex, but they are still scams.

I believe your nonsense counts as a scam.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
I believe you should be careful with the word all. All children are living (mine that is). So all of Adams race came from Eve. Otherwise you are making assumptions out of context.
The word “all” is in the text. I didn’t put it there.

Therefore, all humans who ever lived have descended from Eve (& Adam).
 
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