Time: Does the Bible say what Time is?

[shmogie]

Just one God. That is no fun at all. Our Gods have created the universe 51 times since the last 'Great Dissolution' (Pralaya).Why? What is the problem? I thought Gods could do anything they wanted.
Since we are made in his image and we have sex organs, what does your God have in that region?
That is one of the problems with your religion. 'Sex is defiling'. In Hinduism, sex is one of the four things that are a must do for a man - Earning, Sex, Fulfilling one's duties and engaging in righteous action, and striving for understanding the nature of life (Artha, Kama, Dharma, Moksha).

Did I say sex was defiling, or does God say so ?

Sex was designed by God for reproduction and pleasure within the confines of the marriage of a man and woman.

God cannot defile himself with an unholy being that He created. Holy means set apart, flawless.

 

[susanblange]

That God's Spirit can dwell in a woman doesn't make Him female.

We know the names of God as given in the Bible. The greatest name is Jesus Christ. (Philipians 2:9-11)

God created Adam before He created Israel. The God of Israel is not a woman. He is always spoken of as He. God created Adam first, in his image. Why? Because God is male.. God always knew that The Son, would be given a body. What body? We know Him as Jesus Christ. And Jesus Christ was more in the image of God than Adam. He was the very exact or express image in every way. (Heb. 1:3) And Jesus Christ was and is male.

This idea that God is a woman but calls Himself He just so as not to weaken Israel, is silly. If not blasphemous.

Good-Ole-Rebel

There's a whole lotta scripture from the OT that proves God is a woman. One is Jeremiah 33:15-18. "...and this is the name wherewith SHE shall be called, The LORD our righteousness..." Christians will say that "she" pertains to the city of Jerusalem. But "Lord" is in capital letters meaning it is translated from the Tetragrammaton. The Lord is not a city, it is God. It says almost the same thing in Jeremiah 23:5-8 but it says "he". Cities are always referred to in the female gender. I'll give you another one. Upon execution, the Messiah's body will be made a lamb for a sin offering. Isaiah 53:7, Isaiah 53:10. According to sacrificial law, this offering must be female. Leviticus 4:32. A male lamb is not acceptable. Malachi 1:14. Christians will say that the Messiah is a Passover lamb which is male. That is not what Isaiah 53 says.

 

[paarsurrey]

Right as to time, flagrantly erroneous as to Christ. A single persons imagination 600 years after the documentation of multiple witnesses as to Christ and who He was is a sad joke.

"flagrantly erroneous as to Christ"

How, please?
Jesus/Issa son of Mary was, as I understand:

• a Jewish Messiah
• not a Paul's/Pagan/Christendom Christ*.
• Jesus was a Jew never a Christian.
• Jesus/Issa son of Mary never went to a Church,
• he used to go to the Jewish temple.

Right, please?
Regards
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*Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

• Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
• He is the son of the heavenly Father.
• As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
• Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
• He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
• Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an ***.
• He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
• The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
• Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
• Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
• Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
• He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
• His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/dionysus.htm

 

[Aupmanyav]

So what happens when something whirrs? I assume you mean it goes around. And when something goes around it moves. And when it moves it changes position.

Goes around or vibrates in its own position, amplitude. If the pattern of movement does not change, then there is no change. It must maintain doing what it was doing all the time.

 

[Aupmanyav]

God cannot defile himself with an unholy being that He created. Holy means set apart, flawless.

Yeah, that is why we have Gods and Goddesses, both holy, so that there is no problem about sexual enjoyment. Perhaps that is why you have a lonely, frustrated, angry, jealous God who throws out Adam and Eve just because they ate an apple together. Our Gods are happy, well adjusted.

 

[shmogie]

Yeah, that is why we have Gods and Goddesses, both holy, so that there is no problem about sexual enjoyment. I think that is why you have a lonely, frustrated, angry, jealous God. Our Gods are happy, well adjusted.

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Lonely, frustrated, angry God ? LOL ! Not hardly.

 

[Skwim]

Goes around or vibrates in its own position, amplitude. If the pattern of movement does not change, then there is no change. It must maintain doing what it was doing all the time.

Note that you say there is a "pattern of movement," and movement necessarily includes a change in position.

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[Good-Ole-Rebel]

We were created as sexual beings because God created that method to populate the earth.

Correct, no man has seen God clearly, and directly, I a not sure we ever will. When He shows up in the OT, he is light and energy, as in the burning bush Moses saw.

We were made in Gods image because we can have compassion, emotion, make choices, erc., etc. We reflect God in our personalities and mind, not in the mortal corrupt container for these things.

Christ was resurrected in a body, no doubt, but different from that he had before the resurrection. He arose in a glorified body, and what that means is open to debate, I don´t clearly understand it. Nevertheless, it is good, and the saved will also have glorified bodies. Does that mean that they will still have sexual organs, I don´t know.

Nevertheless, the question is about God, since God cannot reproduce by sexual means ( unlike many of the mythical Gods), and God existed alone before the creation of all the beings in the universe, and no where is it stated that God needed sex to create these beings, He essentially spoke to create what He chose, why would He exist with an organ designed for humans to procreate ?

Is God subject to the rules and laws of biology ? Did He have sex with Mary to create the human body of the incarnation ?

I think the entire idea is weird. Since God could not defile himself with any being He created, and there is only one God, He having a sexual organ for procreation is bizarre.

But we are created in His image. And Christ is the exact, express, image of His Person.

If Christ was not resurrected with the Body He had, then there was no resurrection. (John 20:25-27)

You say 'correct' but don't mean it. What I said was that God had shape. And that shape is of a man. Thus Adam was in that shape. And Adam was in that shape because Christ would also be in that shape.

Consider this: Had Adam and Eve not sinned, and the human race continued to grow in a sinless state and in paradise. Do you think there would be a point where God said, ok enough is enough? Time to remove your sex organs.

Sex was never just for pro-creation but for pleasure also. (Gen. 18:12)

You say bizarre, yet the seed of God is spoken of, correct? What is bizarre is saying there will be no men or women in Heaven. Just spirits. That is bizarre.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

There's a whole lotta scripture from the OT that proves God is a woman. One is Jeremiah 33:15-18. "...and this is the name wherewith SHE shall be called, The LORD our righteousness..." Christians will say that "she" pertains to the city of Jerusalem. But "Lord" is in capital letters meaning it is translated from the Tetragrammaton. The Lord is not a city, it is God. It says almost the same thing in Jeremiah 23:5-8 but it says "he". Cities are always referred to in the female gender. I'll give you another one. Upon execution, the Messiah's body will be made a lamb for a sin offering. Isaiah 53:7, Isaiah 53:10. According to sacrificial law, this offering must be female. Leviticus 4:32. A male lamb is not acceptable. Malachi 1:14. Christians will say that the Messiah is a Passover lamb which is male. That is not what Isaiah 53 says.

Concerning Judah, or Jerusalem, or Israel, being called 'she', they are always called she. She is given the name of the LORD. That doesn't make the LORD a 'she'. When a woman marries and is given the name of her husband that doesn't make her a man. And neither does it make the husband a woman.

Concerning the Sacrificial offerings read through (Lev. 4). You will see both male and female sacrifices were used. None of which indicates God is a man or woman. Just like God is not a chicken though He said He would have gathered Jerusalem as a hen does her chicks. (Matt. 23:37)

There is a whole lot of 'He's' in the Scripture showing that God is male. As well as Adam. As well as Christ.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[dfnj]

I think this will give perspective on a thought that God is somehow bound by Time, and He had a Beginning.
God is outside of creation, that is matter moving in space, therefore he does not abide in time at all.
What do you thinkl of my analysis?

I think your way of thinking about time is accurate. Without an observer, time does not exist. We are the Universe's way of experiencing itself. God is part of the fabric of reality and is the IT that decides when something is being observed in a double slit type quantum mechanics experiment.

“Those who are not shocked when they first come across quantum theory cannot possibly have understood it.” Niels Bohr, Essays 1932-1957 on Atomic Physics and Human Knowledge

“A physicist is just an atom's way of looking at itself.” Niels Bohr

For the philosophical materialists, "Time" is their word for "God". You can't hold time in your hand just like God. You can't meet it in person just like God. It's both transcendent and immanent and assumed to be eternal just like God.

https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-09/book-excerpt-there-no-such-thing-time/

Just like God, there's really no evidence to support time exists. It's just a human construct that exists in our minds and language just like the word God.

 

[dfnj]

Yeah, that is why we have Gods and Goddesses, both holy, so that there is no problem about sexual enjoyment. Perhaps that is why you have a lonely, frustrated, angry, jealous God who throws out Adam and Eve just because they ate an apple together. Our Gods are happy, well adjusted.

Some are well adjusted. Some are just as mean and cruel. What did the Buddha say, "Life is suffering."

I think you misunderstand God. God knew exactly what was going to happen to the apple in the garden with a naked woman prancing about. Unless you experience loss you will never understand being found. How can anyone be able to appreciate God's infinite perfection if they do not bite the apple and experience what it means to be imperfect. Our expulsion from Eden only makes it better for when we return back to Heaven to experience eternal Heavenly bliss.

My problem with the idea of reincarnation popular in many religions having more than one God is I would hate to imagine living more than one life in New Jersey.

 

[SA Huguenot]

"flagrantly erroneous as to Christ"

How, please?
Jesus/Issa son of Mary was, as I understand:

• a Jewish Messiah
• not a Paul's/Pagan/Christendom Christ*.
• Jesus was a Jew never a Christian.
• Jesus/Issa son of Mary never went to a Church,
• he used to go to the Jewish temple.

No my friend.
This is totally incorrect.
*Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

• Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
• Wrong, there is no date on the birth of Dionysus! he was son of Zeus who impregnated a human woman and when she died, Zeus sewed Dionysus in his thigh where he grew up and was "born" as a god. There is not a single day or date when Dionisys was born in any mythological writing. The solar solistes is anyway not on Dec 25. but on 21 and 22 Dec. Therefoer, to say his mother was a virgin is utter deception.
• He is the son of the heavenly Father.
• If you call YHWH and ALLAH the heavenly Father, it might be true, but Zeus was never called the Heavenly Father. At best he was called the God of the Sky! Furthermore, he was the child of Chronos and reah, one of many Greek gods. To correlate Zeus with the Father of the Bible would have seen you getting killed in Greece and Rome 2 000 years ago. AND HE WAS ONE OF THE 12 GODS IN OLYMPUS!
• As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
• This is a total lie! he was raised by Rain nymphs in the wild bushes. He also had an older sister born from Chronos and Demeter. Both were worshipped as Greek gods.
• Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
• Not True, he was a God of wine, dance and sexual perversion. He was represented as a god of chaos and the protector of misfits.
• He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
• Also a lie. he never turned water into wine, he MADE wine and taught mankind to make it too.
• Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an ***.
• Also not true. He entered 2 places in mythology. GREECE, AND NO MENTION ON WHAT HE RODE, AND OLYMPUS, ALSO NO REFERENCE
• He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
• Bull s#$%. He was torn apart by the titans and his body strewn on the earth. His heart was used to build him up again. His festivals would include drinking, feasting and orgies!
• The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
• Also a lie! He went to save his mother, a goddess too, from the grip of the god of the underworld. He fasioned a phallus, fought hell dogs etc. It has sweet nothing to do with Jesus who died on the cross and was dead for 3 days. Also, no time or day count of Dionysus' period in Hades is mentioned. Perhaps in writings from 300 AD, but not in ancient myths.
• Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
• Also not true. No date, and he did not asscend into heaven, he went to mount Olympus to be with 12 other gods. Big difference, a mouintain and heaven.
• Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
• And God of wine, dance and sexual perversion. He was represented as a god of chaos and the protector of misfits. The only "Liberation" he did was for the perverted during sex orgies!

 

[SA Huguenot]

• Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
• This is a blatant lie! never was he called "Only Begotten Son, he had 138 siblings, of which at least 76 boys!
• " "King of Kings," Also not true, he was a lesser god, Zeus was king.
• "God of Gods," Also a lie, He was a lesser God!
• "Sin Bearer," Nope, he was the sin giver and reason for drunkedness and perversion.
• "Redeemer," yes, when he freed man and women in orgies from guilt!
• "Anointed One" This was never his title at all.
• "Alpha and Omega."He was one of 12 gods, a child of two other gods, how the heck can he be the Alpha and Omegs when Zeus still had sons after him?
• His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
• Bull s%^& again! Dionysus was never crucified! He was raised in the bushes by nymphs and this is where he recived the name.

 

[SA Huguenot]

I wonder why anyone would take Achariah S's mystery concoctions, who by the way was proven as a huge liar by historians on ancient Mythology, and post it without even checking the facts.
It is due to such misinformation, who anyone couls actually smell a mile away was somehow not true, that people think the Bible is a book of myths, and Jesus nevere existed.
This rubbish was all made up by Gerals Massey by him seeking spirits to guide him to write his publications on the Christ myths and he did his best to twist the Egyptian Mythology, followed by the Greek and Roman to create an appearance that the Jesus History, was actually only a myth and Jesus never existed.
Tom Harpus and Robbert Price followed up on his work, and influenced Murdock, AKA Achariah S to continue with her Christ Myth stories.
Not one of these people could answet countless historians on their claims, and some of them even challenced AchariahS to produce any documents to prove their claims.
Well, she died a few years ago without any support for her claims.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Note that you say there is a "pattern of movement," and movement necessarily includes a change in position.

A body moving in vacuum in straight line. It will keep on moving like that for all eternity without requiring any external force.
And if the space is curved, it may seemingly move more weirdly without requiring any external force.

Calabi-Yau manifold.

That is what I mean by the inherent property of Brahman to seemingly change, but it is not any real change. It does what it was always doing. It does not require Brahman to will it. It happens by itself.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Some are well adjusted. Some are just as mean and cruel. What did the Buddha say, "Life is suffering."
Our expulsion from Eden only makes it better for when we return back to Heaven to experience eternal Heavenly bliss.
My problem with the idea of reincarnation popular in many religions having more than one God is I would hate to imagine living more than one life in New Jersey.

There are no cruel Gods or Goddesses in Hinduism. I am not a Buddhist - Life is a mix and there is a lot of fun there too.
Unproved premise. Got any proof?
No problem. I do not believe in next life, there is only one. One can never be reincarnated, because once the billions upon billions of atoms in the body (Google search - 7 x 10 raised to power 27, these many - 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) disintegrate, they can never be brought together again. These atoms will become parts of millions upon millions of living and non-living things. We become sort of omnipresent. We arise from millions of things, live by millions of things and pass on to millions of things.

 

[shmogie]

But we are created in His image. And Christ is the exact, express, image of His Person.

If Christ was not resurrected with the Body He had, then there was no resurrection. (John 20:25-27)

You say 'correct' but don't mean it. What I said was that God had shape. And that shape is of a man. Thus Adam was in that shape. And Adam was in that shape because Christ would also be in that shape.

Consider this: Had Adam and Eve not sinned, and the human race continued to grow in a sinless state and in paradise. Do you think there would be a point where God said, ok enough is enough? Time to remove your sex organs.

Sex was never just for pro-creation but for pleasure also. (Gen. 18:12)

You say bizarre, yet the seed of God is spoken of, correct? What is bizarre is saying there will be no men or women in Heaven. Just spirits. That is bizarre.

Good-Ole-Rebel

I never said that that those in heaven would be spirits, where did you get that from ? Christ was resurrected in a glorified physical body.

Of course God has shape, but what shape ?

GOD is a single being, composed of three entities, are we made in that image, nope, there is only one point of consciousness in us, not three.

In Genesis, God says ¨let us make man in our image¨, there goes your idea right there.

The entire universe was available to God for his created beings, I don think overpopulation would be a problem.

 

[Native]

I wonder why anyone would take Achariah S's mystery concoctions, who by the way was proven as a huge liar by historians on ancient Mythology, and post it without even checking the facts.
It is due to such misinformation, who anyone couls actually smell a mile away was somehow not true, that people think the Bible is a book of myths, and Jesus nevere existed.
This rubbish was all made up by Gerals Massey by him seeking spirits to guide him to write his publications on the Christ myths and he did his best to twist the Egyptian Mythology, followed by the Greek and Roman to create an appearance that the Jesus History, was actually only a myth and Jesus never existed.
Tom Harpus and Robbert Price followed up on his work, and influenced Murdock, AKA Achariah S to continue with her Christ Myth stories.
Not one of these people could answer countless historians on their claims, and some of them even challenced AchariahS to produce any documents to prove their claims.
Well, she died a few years ago without any support for her claims.

I take Achariah S` collections and comparisons of ancient myths as a fine attempt to include astronomical issues, but IMO she unfortunately took some myths mostly to deal with the seasonal aspects of the Sun where some myths dealth with star constellations and even with the very contours and imageries of the Milky Way.
Having said that, Archaria S was not "a liar". She just got some mythical issues wrong. Issues which her critics had no or little chances to judge at all if not knowing of the astronomical/cosmological myths.

 

[Skwim]

A body moving in vacuum in straight line. It will keep on moving like that for all eternity without requiring any external force.
And if the space is curved, it may seemingly move more weirdly without requiring any external force.

Calabi-Yau manifold.

That is what I mean by the inherent property of Brahman to seemingly change, but it is not any real change. It does what it was always doing. It does not require Brahman to will it. It happens by itself.

The issue is change. With anything that moves, be it in a vacuum or not, in a straight line or not, eternally existing or not, it still changes position. If anything changes then time exists.

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[paarsurrey]

I never said that that those in heaven would be spirits, where did you get that from ? Christ was resurrected in a glorified physical body.

Of course God has shape, but what shape ?

GOD is a single being, composed of three entities, are we made in that image, nope, there is only one point of consciousness in us, not three.

In Genesis, God says ¨let us make man in our image¨, there goes your idea right there.

The entire universe was available to God for his created beings, I don think overpopulation would be a problem.

"Christ was resurrected in a glorified physical body."

It is a wrong notion.
My understanding is that Jesus the Jewish Messiah (not the Pagan/Christ) died a natural death long after the event of Crucifixion*, and was then exalted to heaven like every Prophet/Messenger went/goes to heaven after death.Nothing special about Jesus son of Mary.
G-d disclosed this in the truthful Quran :

[3:56]اِذۡ قَالَ اللّٰہُ یٰعِیۡسٰۤی اِنِّیۡ مُتَوَفِّیۡکَ وَ رَافِعُکَ اِلَیَّ وَ مُطَہِّرُکَ مِنَ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا وَ جَاعِلُ الَّذِیۡنَ اتَّبَعُوۡکَ فَوۡقَ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡۤا اِلٰی یَوۡمِ الۡقِیٰمَۃِ ۚ ثُمَّ اِلَیَّ مَرۡجِعُکُمۡ فَاَحۡکُمُ بَیۡنَکُمۡ فِیۡمَا کُنۡتُمۡ فِیۡہِ تَخۡتَلِفُوۡنَ ﴿۵۶﴾
When Allah said, ‘O Jesus, I will cause thee to die a natural death and will exalt thee to Myself, and will clear thee from the charges of those who disbelieve, and will place those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, and I will judge between you concerning that wherein you differ.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 3: Aal-e-`Imran
Right, please?
Regards
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John 20:24
24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus ), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
John 20 NIV
*A glorious body does not have any marks of wounds. Jesus survived a cursed death on the Cross so his body had marks of wounds it demonstrates. Right, please?