Democrate part is communist

[Augustus]

Its not a smear if there preaching the same ideas. My OP shows that too.

No it doesn't. It just shows you don't understand either.

"Democrats cut taxes for working families, provided help for small businesses and homeowners"

Nothing says communism like promoting private business and private ownership of property....

 

[Jollybear]

Why do Americans find the concept of Social Democratic politics so difficult to understand?

We dont find it hard to understand. In fact we understand it better then you who believes in it. We understand that its full of lies and flaws and you dont understand that.

In every other western country school children have absolutely no problem with the concept, yet for many Americans it's this devilishly perplexing conundrum that they are completely unable to grasp no matter how many times it's explained to them.

No, children also dont understand it euther. The only reason they will believe it is because there teachers will seduce there innocent brains into indoctrination. And since there young, there susceptible. And since schools wont teach critical thinking 101 class, they are thus double doomed.

Its truely......sick.

 

[Augustus]

Christian history with Christian theocratic government isn't a mixed bag. It's always been oppressive and marked by atrocity. Does that reflect on Christianity or theocracies?

Which countries do you consider to have been Christian theocracies?

There's the Vatican, and that's about it. Perhaps the Byzantine Empire, but even that's questionable.

 

[Jollybear]

No it doesn't. It just shows you don't understand either.



Nothing says communism like promoting private business and private ownership of property....

Read my OP. You have the right to believe in communidm if you want, but you dont get to change what it is.

Here, ill do the work for you

"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."

Here, another

"The definition of communism is a system where all property is public and people work and are given things by the government according to their needs. An example of communism is the governing system in Cuba where the government controls everything and doles out benefits such as money, health care and food."

Those definitions are from google and a dictionary site.

So, NO, PRIVATELY owned business and property is NOT communism. Its the OPOSITE of COMMUNISM.

 

[Augustus]

Here, ill do the work for you

I'll do the work for you as you seem to have missed the point. Of course private business and private property is not communism. I was pointing out you had refuted your own argument by yourself.

"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."

So, NO, PRIVATELY owned business and property is NOT communism. Its the OPOSITE of COMMUNISM.

"Democrats cut taxes for working families, provided help for small businesses and homeowners"

Also Jollybear : "Democrate party is communist"


So, that's settled, the Democrats are not communist. You even go as far as saying they are the 'opposite of communism'.

 

[Jollybear]

You do know that economic systems have nothing to do with religion, right? Google it. Don't come on here showing off your ignorance.

I never said the economic system has anything to do with religion. "Dont come on here showing off your ignorance" and putting words in my mouth.

Derp, yep, duh, I needs to stay ignert. I suspect you may just be trolling, but maybe you're just not very smart.

Niether trolling nor stupid. If your schooling is telling you that government should force communism then you need a new education.

 

[Jollybear]

I'll do the work for you as you seem to have missed the point. Of course private business and private property is not communism. I was pointing out you had refuted your own argument by yourself.



Also Jollybear : "Democrate party is communist"


So, that's settled, the Democrats are not communist. You even go as far as saying they are the 'opposite of communism'.

Actually i didnt. You just think i did.

If government taxes your land and business and sets the rules, thats the actions of an owner. You dont have to call it that, it is that.

If i came to your house and told you your gonna run the affairs of your house by these rules and your gonna pay me rent, youd probably say to me get the hell out. If you didnt and went along, then youd be acting as i owned your place.

Get it? Action speaks louder then words.

 

[Augustus]

Actually i didnt. You just think i did.

If government taxes your land and business and sets the rules, thats the actions of an owner. You dont have to call it that, it is that.

If i came to your house and told you your gonna run the affairs of your house by these rules and your gonna pay me rent, youd probably say to me get the hell out. If you didnt and went along, then youd be acting as i owned your place.

Get it? Action speaks louder then words.

Republicans believe in tax and regulation too. The Republican and Democrat positions on tax and regulation are not particularly different. They still tax your land and tell you what to do. The Republicans just tend to favour a bit lower taxes and slightly less regulation.

Do you think Trump is a communist because of his tax and regulation policies? Are his vastly increased tariffs on imports that he forces Americans to pay 'communist'?

Was Reagan a communist because of his tax and regulation policies?

The Economic Recovery Act of 1981, also known as the Reagan tax cuts, was the biggest reduction in U.S. taxes of the past 70 years, possibly even the biggest ever. 1 That much is reasonably well-known.

What is less well-known is that these cuts were then followed by a series of tax increases that, if you add them all together, were almost as big as or even bigger than the 1981 cuts, depending on the measure you use.

The Mostly Forgotten Tax Increases of 1982-1993

I'm surprised a commie like Reagan didn't support the Soviet union during the Cold War. Perhaps he was a Soviet asset

 

[Valjean]

And the left are huge proponents of the big government nanny state, forced redistribution of wealth, retching control from Individual decisions and choices over to government decisions on how people should live, what they can eat and drink and smoke, and how they should raise their families, taking legal products and services and making them illegal while controlling means of production through forced dictates. Just for starters

All of which, in a democratic, "leftist," co-operative state, are not imposed, but mutually agreed on, as most conducive to the general prosperity.

 

[Valjean]

So, something that repeatedly in history produced the fruits of death, thats the moral way to go?

Am i hearing that correctly?

It's not the communism in states like the USSR or China that's the problem. It's Right Wing Authoritarianism and Social Dominant leadership. If it were real communism there wouldn't be an overbearing centralized authority or a privileged class.

 

[Skreeper]

Actually i didnt. You just think i did.

If government taxes your land and business and sets the rules, thats the actions of an owner. You dont have to call it that, it is that.

If i came to your house and told you your gonna run the affairs of your house by these rules and your gonna pay me rent, youd probably say to me get the hell out. If you didnt and went along, then youd be acting as i owned your place.

Get it? Action speaks louder then words.

Following this criteria, every country on this planet is communist since all of them use taxes and set rules.

What you need is some education in economy. I know education isn't cheap in the US but it's the only thing that can help you at this point.

 

[ChristineM]

And they wear yellow vests. Right?

Some few did and some eat cheese and drink wine, maybe thats what makes them so productive.

 

[Jollybear]

Following this criteria, every country on this planet is communist since all of them use taxes and set rules.

What you need is some education in economy. I know education isn't cheap in the US but it's the only thing that can help you at this point.

No, its a matter of degree.

Reality is complex. The more left you swing the more the country goes bad.

The less rules, the less taxes, the more prosperity. Its just the way it is.

And its also a matter of WHAT kind of rules and what kind of taxes.

No property or business taxes. Government is in contract with us, they dont own us, so they need to stop acting like they do.

And i find it funny because i disagree with you this means i need to go spend money at school to be educated.

That tells me your not too bright because if you were youd realize you can get all that education on google or through books without going to school.

I think you need to re educate yourself on economics. I recomend you listen to Milton Friedman.

 

[Jollybear]

Republicans believe in tax and regulation too. The Republican and Democrat positions on tax and regulation are not particularly different. They still tax your land and tell you what to do. The Republicans just tend to favour a bit lower taxes and slightly less regulation.

Correct. However, im not a republican. Im a moderate libertarian. Which you could say is an extreme right wing republican. So, middle between those two. Not an extreme libertarian, which would be borderline anarchist. Just to paint the picture for you.

Do you think Trump is a communist because of his tax and regulation policies? Are his vastly increased tariffs on imports that he forces Americans to pay 'communist'?

Trump cut taxes on businesses. Thats not a very communist thing to do.

Mind you, the communist party usa website, the one in my OP, that ssite speaks out against trump.

So, communists speaking out against trump. Let that sink in for a moment. Ok, incase it didnt sink in, that means trump is not a communist if the communist website itself talks against him.

The whole point of terrifs is to create FAIR trade with other countries. Good business deals. Theres free trade, then theres fair trade.

Was Reagan a communist because of his tax and regulation policies?

The Economic Recovery Act of 1981, also known as the Reagan tax cuts, was the biggest reduction in U.S. taxes of the past 70 years, possibly even the biggest ever. 1 That much is reasonably well-known.

What is less well-known is that these cuts were then followed by a series of tax increases that, if you add them all together, were almost as big as or even bigger than the 1981 cuts, depending on the measure you use.

The Mostly Forgotten Tax Increases of 1982-1993

I'm surprised a commie like Reagan didn't support the Soviet union during the Cold War. Perhaps he was a Soviet asset

Reagan is a commie for big tax cuts? What is wrong with you lefties! Thats the OPPOSITE of communism.

JFK was strongly against communism. He has a quote even talking about how they infiltrate. He also cut taxes on business and income.

 

[metis]

Ramping-up the deficit by roughly $1 TRILLION per year under Trump's tax cuts is not conservative nor libertarian since it places undo burden on the next generations. Also, how is it Christian to help the rich but screw the poor, as these tax cuts have done and will do over the long haul?

And as Trump continues to act as an autocrat, how is that supposedly "libertarian"? Is putting brown-skinned children into cages in order to "send a message" libertarian? Etc.?

 

[Sand Dancer]

I never said the economic system has anything to do with religion. "Dont come on here showing off your ignorance" and putting words in my mouth.



Niether trolling nor stupid. If your schooling is telling you that government should force communism then you need a new education.

You are making it sound like Christians can't be Communists. Hardly anyone wants Communism. Socialism is not the same as Communism. Most want a mix with a little more government involved, like the other first world countries.

 

[Jollybear]

I didn't say no privatization. I said no privatization of essential services. Things like police, healthcare, education, prisons, etc. People thrive better when capital focuses on luxury service

I agree governments role is police, military, prisons. I disagree its education or healthcare.

What we have currently is a lot of oligarchic near monopolies which create an illusion of freedom, but the reality is you have no more choice now because those wealth leaders (your rulers from behind the curtain) simply have no reason to be transparent or have actual competition due to cronyism.

Right, cronyism is bad. Government should not give into bribes from businesses.

We are in a hellhole where companies literally do not care if the lower and middle class goes bankrupt on things like basic healthcare. Or if human rights get violated in private prisons so long as they continue generating money. Or if cut corners on industrial safety gets people killed because they can afford the fines.

bad businesses get exposed, as that happens they will go out of business. Let the market decide, not government.

This 'freedom' is only free for those with the largest pile of coin. Everyone else suffers.

No, thats not true. As the ritch get richer and companies do better, EVERYONE benefits. As the tide rises, everyones boat goes up.

When business suffers, everyone suffers. Communism makes business suffer.

I can't speak for anybody else but I am always and will always be anti totalitarian. It's part of why I'm not religious. I don't trust literally anyone or anything that says they should be followed or submitted to without question.

Thats fine.

Once again, places with much more leftward leaning governments are doing better than we are. What exactly isn't working?

Thats not true. If a country has left wing programs, thats not the same as everything in that country is left wing. So, it gives the illusion that the left is creating the prosperity and ITS NOT.

Capatalism creates wealth. Communism SPENDS wealth, it dont create it.

These other countries which are much more educated don't do so through private schools. They just also don't let private schools suck away the money from public schools.

We would have to look into examples on this, otherwise were just making statements here.

But, i will make a logical argument.

If schools are private, then they must compete more. Public schools dont need to compete because they will get funded by tax money irregardless.

So, private schools have an INCENTIVE to make sure there education system is the BEST. Because if it dont, it wont do well in business.

Logic 101 at its finest!

Oh, i like your eyeball by the way! Are you a part of the illumanati? Lol

 

[metis]

You are making it sound like Christians can't be Communists. Hardly anyone wants Communism. Socialism is not the same as Communism. Most want a mix with a little more government involved, like the other first world countries.

Especially since it says twice in Acts that the apostles shared their income together after taxes and donations.

In Max Weber's famous study and subsequent book "The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism", Weber noted that it was Protestants who tended to equate wealth with being favored by God, thus ignoring the fact that Jesus and the Apostles were not wealthy, with most suffering early deaths.

Here's a link to this: The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism - Wikipedia

 

[metis]

BTW, not to justify "Communism" in any way, how does one explain the fact the China has had the fasted growing economy over the last three decades even though their banking system and general economic order is still much more highly centralized in Beijing than ours is in D.C.?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I agree governments role is police, military, prisons. I disagree its education or healthcare.

Why? Where is the line? Having healthcare not be a matter of market choices and money put before human lives is one of the most important changes the US could make right now, imo. It is literally what every other civilized nation has done. Nowhere else in the G20 do people die because they can't afford treatment, or because they're too nervous of how much treatment is going to cost, or go bankrupt paying for their treatment. The needless death due to free market capitalism in the US is staggering.

Right, cronyism is bad. Government should not give into bribes from businesses.

You should not be a big fan of Trump then, as he is capital C crony, using the political world to personally enrich him and his business interests.

bad businesses get exposed, as that happens they will go out of business. Let the market decide, not government.

No, thats not true. As the ritch get richer and companies do better, EVERYONE benefits. As the tide rises, everyones boat goes up.

The notion that 'the market corrects itself' is one of the biggest myths of our time. Currently the market favors whoever has the most money to throw at it regardless of what popular interest or popular capitol among individuals is. The wealth gap and wealth hoarding in the US is so huge that they aren't 'rising the tides,' they're siphoning the water into their own private reserves, and the water goes down for everyone else. There is literally nobody who can, for example, compete with Amazon. The market is dictated by one individual's business choices, and it's such a vast overarching business that even rightwing market professionals are starting to breathe the words 'monopoly.'

Thats not true. If a country has left wing programs, thats not the same as everything in that country is left wing. So, it gives the illusion that the left is creating the prosperity and ITS NOT.

How much left wing programs does one country need before it's 'left wing'? Even the mildest of examples like universal healthcare is considered 'extreme left' in the US, but is 'default across party lines' elsewhere.

We would have to look into examples on this, otherwise were just making statements here.

But, i will make a logical argument.

If schools are private, then they must compete more. Public schools dont need to compete because they will get funded by tax money irregardless.

So, private schools have an INCENTIVE to make sure there education system is the BEST. Because if it dont, it wont do well in business.

Again, this notion of the market correcting itself doesn't actually hold. We recently had a huge lawsuit against tradeschools because these private for profit schools were creating predatory tuition rates and price fixing between them. It wasn't the market that was correcting them, it was regulation. The cost to the individual was much higher for education standards that were much lower. (And this is no less true of league colleges) So since public money is drawn towards these money making schemes, public schools are underfunded and, with the growing wealth gap and more people who cannot afford these private ripoff schools, less and less people in the US are properly educated. We aren't even in the top ten on math, reading and science.

Oh, i like your eyeball by the way! Are you a part of the illumanati? Lol

I just like drawing eyes. My icon is an old digital illustration practice from several years ago.