Are you ignorant because you make blanket claims about atheists or do make blanket claims about atheists because you're ignorant. In either case, you're not doing Islam any favors with such drivel.
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Atheism and arrogance
- Thread starter Piculet
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McBell
Unbound
Ah.
So you do not believe in one God and worship Him...
McBell
Unbound
hasty generalization fallacy
I sincerely hope that he doesn't get banned.
How are the rest of us supposed to learn about Islam if solid Muslims don't post what they learned from Islam?
Tom
How pray tell is fact based on your arrogence and ignorance as displayed in the OP an attempt to deviate?
I think more likely that the fact will not be accepted by your good self
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Whybdo theists often hate atheists to the point they obsess over atheists and draw up all sorts of imaginative and fanciful and fallacious conclusions about them?
Well I wouldn't ban any - just ignore them when they are so blatantly ill-informed and having the expected amount of knowledge that goes with such. Witness the thread on homosexuality - which I didn't bother with.
PureX
Veteran Member
Logically, it would be exactly as arrogant to presume that God exists as it would be to presume that God does not exist. So theism is just as arrogant as atheism in that regard.
However, most theists (perhaps not "Piculet") do not presume to know that their God exists, so much as they choose to hope and trust (place their faith in) the idea that the God of their understanding does exist. So that they can then gain the benefits of "living as if" it were so. This is an advantage that atheists do not have, and that most atheists are unable and/or unwilling to even recognize. In that sense, I feel that atheists are being unreasonably 'arrogant'; though they aren't really harming anyone in this arrogance, but themselves. As opposed to those somewhat rare, but annoyingly loud and arrogant theists who falsely presume to know that their God exists, and then try to force that presumption on everything and everyone around them.
However, most theists (perhaps not "Piculet") do not presume to know that their God exists, so much as they choose to hope and trust (place their faith in) the idea that the God of their understanding does exist. So that they can then gain the benefits of "living as if" it were so. This is an advantage that atheists do not have, and that most atheists are unable and/or unwilling to even recognize. In that sense, I feel that atheists are being unreasonably 'arrogant'; though they aren't really harming anyone in this arrogance, but themselves. As opposed to those somewhat rare, but annoyingly loud and arrogant theists who falsely presume to know that their God exists, and then try to force that presumption on everything and everyone around them.
I don't ignore Muslims, I learn from them. And I have developed an opinion about Islam based on what Muslims teach on the subject. Muslims like the OP, but also the other Muslims who don't contradict him. Those Muslims also teach me about Islam.
Tom
The advantages appear to be with the atheists. Not so much anti-homosexuality from them, as per many other issues, so I don't know where that came from. Atheists have to live with constructing their own reality - which is a harder task than getting it handed down to them, and one that might be just as wrong as any other.
Piculet
Active Member
He can have a positive impact on it by talking about things he understands and by shutting up about what he doesn't know anything about.
I think he was on homosexuality - history of such, for example.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
If requiring verifiable evidence for fantastical claims in some way makes me 'arrogant' in your eyes, so be it. I'm also 'arrogant' when it comes to believing in magical pixies as well as little green men from Mars.
Does your 'arrogance' ever require you to be presented with verifiable evidence before you'll believe something? Or do you simply accept any fantastical claim that anyone makes?
That's just one issue.
And not even the one this thread is about.
He has taught me a good deal about Islam, although not much I didn't already know. He just reinforced my opinions about his religious world view.
Not just on this thread either.
I see him as a solid Muslim and well explains why most people find Islam immoral.
Tom
But it's you who is presumptuous. You're presuming an intentional creator. Your whole world-view is based on this presumption.Another attempt to deviate from the actual topic.
It seems you are starting from the ignorant presumption that creating the whole universe was a hard or great task for its creator.
How are you defining arrogant? Atheists simply don't believe in a claim without evidence. They're not proselytizing. They're not pushing any particular belief on anyone.
It's you making unevidenced claim and pushing unevidenced beliefs.
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I wish.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
Sounds like Left Coast got it right... it's a topic for discussion... calm down, you shouldn't take it personally.