Shroud of Turin is from first AD.

[Sheldon]

Defining a species


A species is often defined as a group of individuals that actually or potentially interbreed in nature. In this sense, a species is the biggest gene pool possible under natural conditions.

For example, these happy face spiders look different, but since they can interbreed, they are considered the same species: Theridion grallator.

I already know what a species is, you were the one who claimed humans couldn't be apes, because they can't breed with other species of apes.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I already know what a species is, you were the one who claimed humans couldn't be apes, because they can't breed with other species of apes.

That’s what it says right there, common design but different altogether.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That’s what it says right there, common design but different altogether.

DNA proves that you are wrong. ERV's definitely prove that you are wrong. Homology proves that you are wrong. Fossil prove that you are wrong. The list goes on and on and on . . .

 

[joelr]

Why do i answer you vague?
Because I have nothing to prove to others. My answer only comes from my own understanding and understanding of what spiritual lifestyle has done for me in the last 35 years.

If you have found your own answer to what spirituality is or isn't, that is good

Has nothing to do with proving anything. In order to talk about spirituality one needs to define what they mean by the term. I offered several examples to demonstrate the subject is all over the place and it's a blanket term used in many ways.
What has spirituality done for you? Peace? Super powers? Ability to be vague?

 

[joelr]

So what you’ve just described here is demonic, fleshly, lying works of Satan which are all counterfeits according to Scripture which is described as The Word of God. In the Word of God I have found the One True God and Jesus Christ. I have found Him to be the authentic God and King.

Perfect, you just demonstrated what I said perfectly. Like I said, each religion thinks they have the correct answers, the real version of God and some think you are the one corrupted by Satan.
And just like you do they have evidence? Why yes, it says so IN THEIR BOOK! HA!
You even said it "which are all counterfeits according to Scripture"...... As if the Quran doesn't explain that the message you have has been corrupted (probably by Satan) and God has sent an angel to fix that error humanity has made,


That's just one. And they all have person relationships with their deities and proof that they are the one (their scripture says so). They have all found their version to be authentic. Some of them would say Satan has fooled you.

Meanwhile none of you have any actual evidence. We can look at the historicity but that shows a completely different picture. But you don't do evidence, you do beliefs that you have emotional attachments to. Like Muslims and Hindu and Mormons, J Witnesses and thousands of others. They have "evidence" that you are fooled by Satan or fooled by the corruption of man.

 

[joelr]

Science cannot test things that are unseen

Wow, now we can add science to the list of things you know nothing about.
You cannot see, air, gas, quantum particles, virtual particles, dark matter, dark energy, the big bang, gravity, the strong force, the weak force, the electromagnetic field, quantum fields

and spiritual. That doesn’t mean they are not real. Spiritually dead people cannot discern spiritual things and that’s what the Bible says about that and my view as well.

You have to define the term "spirituality" because I don't know what you are talking about. Of what I know about spirituality there really isn't any in the Bible?

Belief in savior demigods who get you into an afterlife isn't spiritual. More like sorcery.
Pleasing a SKy-father God like Zeus or Yahweh so he doesn't send you to hell isn't spirituality. It's moral slavery.
Living a good life for the sake of living well and practicing virtues for yourself and through compassion for others may be spiritual. Religious people who do those things seem to have some alternate reason making it something else. Obediance?

 

[ElishaElijah]

DNA proves that you are wrong. ERV's definitely prove that you are wrong. Homology proves that you are wrong. Fossil prove that you are wrong. The list goes on and on and on . . .

Yet I always prove you are wrong and will do it again and again. You have nothing but theory that is an empty unexplainable tree. When you’re asked about the root of the evolutionist tree of life you don’t have an answer how you get from there to Genesis 1 Creation account.
You can’t repeat it in a lab no matter how you try, epic failure because evolution as you explain it is an impossible scenario.
DNA? God owned you on that and creation mocks you.

 

[joelr]

See evolution scientists cannot prove that a chimp was ever anything other than a chimp or a human being was ever anything else but a human being.

Oh now you appreciate evidence??? Your book of Mesopotamian, Greek and Persian myths which has ZERO evidence of being real you believe but now you want evidence of something we DO HAVE EVIDENCE FOR??
Chimps did not evolve into Hominids first???????

A Tree ape from millions of years ago did. The fossil record shows every few millions of years the first hominid apes began growing larger, eating more protein, losing body hair, developing intelligence. At the last stage before modern humans we see H Heidelbergensis remains with tools and other artifacts. Around 200,000 years ago home sapien arose in Africa.

Humans have almost the same DNA with apes and we have found humans with Neanderthals DNA which is much closer to human DNA. But this shows there was some interbreeding happening because some humans have their DNA still today.

Humans still have some body hair, thumbs, canine teeth like the other apes. The African apes and humans have essentially the same arrangement of internal organs, share all of the same bones (though somewhat different in shape and size), lack external tails, and have several important blood type systems in common. We also get many of the same diseases.

You disregard clear evidence yet insist magic invisible friends are real?

 

[joelr]

No they can’t prove anything of the sort it’s an opinion based on a theory, all evolution has shown is changes within species of say a butterfly or bird changing color or beak.
I’ve already seen the site you’re referencing. Here is the tree and notice what we know for sure at the top of the tree is Creation acccording to Genesis, anything below that is all a theory and opinion of how that happened and evolutionists cover their folly by using millions of years, no one could observe that and it’s all a fraud.

So you don't understand evolution either? Evolution is just the change in genes over a species over generations. Gene expression varies in generations from genetic variation, mutation and genetic recombination. These are facts. Natural selection and genetic drift act on these and make some changes more common. We see evidence for evolution in all bodily systems, from cells and molecules right up. Older cellular models are not always erased but built on the back of earlier models. It's totally obvious from the cellular level and up. The evidence is vast.

Fossils allow us to observe millions of years. Billions in this case.

But this all is making much more sense now. Flat Earther also?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Has nothing to do with proving anything. In order to talk about spirituality one needs to define what they mean by the term. I offered several examples to demonstrate the subject is all over the place and it's a blanket term used in many ways.
What has spirituality done for you? Peace? Super powers? Ability to be vague?

Spiritual lifestyle has made me realize who I am. It has opened my eyes to see that the physical life is onlye a tiny part of existence.
This physical body isn't the real being. Its only a Shell.

 

[joelr]

So because you or science cannot detect spiritual things and are blind to them or don’t recognize them then it’s not reality? If you sow lying, stealing and deceit will you end up receiving a blessing or a curse? If I am a generous person will I receive blessing or cursing? These are spiritual laws and realities.

Is that why in the Lisbin earthquake 70,000 church goers were killed? Have you been to a childrens cancer ward? You know nothing of the real world.

Hey if you want to believe you’re equivalent to an ape go for it. All you’re showing is there is common design. Also by ignoring half of the scientist that see the evidence from the fossil record verifying creation and the Bible only shows bias in science.
We see the same thing in the news today, bias and reporting only the narrative they want the public to see. By the time the fraudulent information gets out half the people still believe the lie.

It's not "equivalent" to Ape? Ape is a family, we are ape. Homo sapien are far removed from other apes in terms of species?

Zero evolutionary scientists verify creation. Zero. Source a peer-reviewed paper. Not an apologetics creation science where they can't get reviewed so they had to create a crank peer-review publishing company.
That's like flat Earthers creating a publishing company so they can say there are "papers" written about it.

I Don't watch the news. I got my Ukraine update from Tim Kennedy who went over to rescue a Fox reporter taken hostaage.

 

[joelr]

Spiritual lifestyle has made me realize who I am. It has opened my eyes to see that the physical life is onlye a tiny part of existence.
This physical body isn't the real being. Its only a Shell.

Oh cool. Did spirituality give you any evidence?

 

[Sheldon]

That’s what it says right there, common design but different altogether.

Nothing in your quote says they are different altogether? On the contrary it says they are the largest genetic group that can breed together, as I asserted, and you have ignored.

Species
A biological species is a group of organisms that can reproduce with one another in nature and produce fertile offspring.

It was right there in the definition you posted, proving your assertion to errant nonsense.

Chimpanzees, our closest (evolutionary) relative, share over 98% of human DNA, they are also a different species, ipso facto your claims that species are altogether different is facile nonsense. Though of course different species can be altogether different, when their shared ancestry is significantly further back in evolution. Just as your assertion that two different species from the same taxonomical group of great apes, human and chimpanzees, ought to be able to breed together is demonstrably disproved by the definition of species you yourself posted, can you not read? You don't seem to understand how embarrassingly stupid a claim this is, and you could disavow yourself of such ignorance in a few seconds online.

And I am a laymen here, I have no expertise in this field whatsoever, and yet can see your embarrassing claims are derived not from scientific facts, but from the all too familiar creationist cartoon version of evolution, used so often in their risible propaganda. Scientific facts are not based on subjective beliefs, your claims are, your claims about evolution are errant nonsense.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Oh cool. Did spirituality give you any evidence?

Of course it gave me personally evidence due to seeing that the changes i make in my life are what the scriptures explain will happen when following the teachings

 

[joelr]

Yet I always prove you are wrong and will do it again and again. You have nothing but theory that is an empty unexplainable tree. When you’re asked about the root of the evolutionist tree of life you don’t have an answer how you get from there to Genesis 1 Creation account.
You can’t repeat it in a lab no matter how you try, epic failure because evolution as you explain it is an impossible scenario.
DNA? God owned you on that and creation mocks you.

Genesis 1–11 as a whole is imbued with Mesopotamian myths.[ On the side of similarities, both begin from a stage of chaotic waters before anything is created, in both a fixed dome-shaped "firmament" divides these waters from the habitable Earth, and both conclude with the creation of a human called "man" and the building of a temple for the god (in Genesis 1, this temple is the entire cosmos).Still, Genesis 1 bears similarities to the Baal Cycle of Israel's neighbor, Ugarit.[24]



Yeah we cannot recreate black holes, nuclear fusion, neutron stars and many other things in a lab.
No evolutionary scientist has ever called evolution an "impossible senario" and new science students would win a nobel prize, become famous and get the best job offers if they could prove any accepted theory as wrong.
Not only have you failed to prove your religion now you sould like a flat earth conspiracy science denier. Which explains a lot.



You have never proven him wrong. Never.

Your warrior deity isn't mocking anyone because he exists in stories only.


The theme Yahweh-is-a-Warrior is present in all sections of the canonóTorah, Prophets,

and Writings:

Exodus 15:3:

Yahweh is a man of war;

Yahweh is his name.

Isaiah 42:13:

Yahweh goes forth like a mighty man;

like a man of war(s) he stirs up his fury.

Zephaniah 3:17: Yahweh, your God, is in your midst,

a warrior who gives victory.

Psalm 24:8:

Who is the King of Glory?

Yahweh, strong and mighty;

Yahweh, mighty in battle.

In these passages Yahweh is explicitly called a warrior or directly compared to a warrior. If one

moves out from simple designations to actual functioning, the metaphor or image is even more

extensively present. Yahweh is the subject of many verbs that belong to the sphere of warfare

 

[joelr]

Of course it gave me personally evidence due to seeing that the changes i make in my life are what the scriptures explain will happen when following the teachings

Scripture? That isn't spirituallity? That is wisdom literature and worship literature.
Of course your life changes when you do certain things? An AA 12 step program will tell you that? That is just psychology and common sense?

Oh, the Law of Attraction, even with Yahweh, is not real:


"24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."

 

[ElishaElijah]

Zero evolutionary scientists verify creation. Zero

Yet all atheists believe in God

Nothing in your quote says they are different altogether? On the contrary it says they are the largest genetic group that can breed together, as I asserted, and you have ignored.

So there you go, you’ve been given permission to breed with a chimp and an ape. It’s official

 

[Spirit of Light]

Scripture? That isn't spirituallity? That is wisdom literature and worship literature.
Of course your life changes when you do certain things? An AA 12 step program will tell you that? That is just psychology and common sense?

Oh, the Law of Attraction, even with Yahweh, is not real:


"24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."

If you don't find truth through the scriptures that is up to you.
In my life i found it to help me.

 

[Sheldon]

Of course it gave me personally evidence due to seeing that the changes i make in my life are what the scriptures explain will happen when following the teachings

Can you explain how you know this difference is reflecting an objective change, rather than fulfilling what your expectations of the belief?

Another problem of course from my perspective, is that other religions citing different deities as real, make this identical claim, and even people who don't believe in any deity make just such profound changes, so this unevidenced anecdotal claim, seems to lack credence for those reasons. Since we know such changes are possible without any deity, and by believing in different deities, yet have no objective evidence a deity is even possible, the only rational position I can hold is to withhold belief in the claim.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
Nothing in your quote says they are different altogether? On the contrary it says they are the largest genetic group that can breed together, as I asserted, and you have ignored.

So there you go, you’ve been given permission to breed with a chimp and an ape. It’s official

Chimpanzees and humans are a different species, and great apes are a taxonomical group, to which humans belong. Is English not your first language? A species is the largest genetic group that can breed together, chimpanzees are a different species to humans, they both belong taxonomically to the family of great apes, Jesus wept this is the most simple entry into biology one can imagine?


Read your own quote....

Yet all atheists believe in God

Have you fallen off the wagon or something?