"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[Subduction Zone]

lol well that is as close as I get as an agreement from you then all good. Hey your not a bad guy. I like talking to you like this. Just out of curiosity do you agree or disagree with the OP?

Yes and no. If one reads the Bible literally, it appears to be true. But it is a huge mistake to read the Bible literally.

One problem is that I do not even like the term "scriptures". Your definition of scriptures is probably different from that of the Bible. And if you want to claim the " seventh day" as Saturday you probably do not have a proper reason for that claim either.I'm

 

[Soapy]

Scripture is proof and it disagrees with your words here that are not Gods' Word and when scripture says Jesus is the God of creation then our job is simply to believe it (e.g. John 1:1-4; 14; Romans 14:23; John 3:36)

Except that scriptures does not say that Jesus is the God of Creation.

It says that at the end of time Jesus will become ruler over the created world and take his seat on the earthly throne of his ancestor, king David!

Almighty God, the Father, will remain ruler over the spiritual realm of Heaven.

 

[cataway]

SUNDAY WORSHIP IS NOT THE LORD'S DAY

The term "the Lord's day" was used by some in the early Church as a reference to Sunday worship in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. It comes from a scripture in the bible found in Revelation 1

• REVELATION 1:10 10, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

The Greek words used for the day that JOHN was in the Spirit of is the for Lord's day are

• REVELATION 1:10 εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος

The word "κυριακη" (translit. "kuriake") is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine. This means it is being used as a 'possessive' as ownership or belonging to ("of", see 1 Corinthians 11:20, "the Lord's supper"), which means the "day" in context belongs to "the Lord". It is literally "the Lord's (belonging to) day". This means, that the "day" in context is uniquely "the Lord's" out of all the 7 days of the week, for the day under consideration is that which exists within the week, as a day which repeats weekly. This is extremely important, as those who incorrectly assume it to mean "the first [day] of the week" in lieu of Jesus' resurrection, cannot get a weekly occurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfillment of typology of the Firstfruit/Wavesheaf in Leviticus 23:9-14, as made known in 1 Corinthians 15:20,23

The problem here however is that there is not a single scripture that references Sunday or the first day of the week (bible names for the days of the week) to being "the Lords day" in scripture.

According to the scripture "the Lords day" however can be referenced to "the Sabbath day" of Gods' 4th commandment found in Exodus 20:8-11.

Letting the scriptures answer this question

• WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

This then promotes a bit of a dilemma for the Church as there is not a single scripture in all of the bible that days "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is Sunday. Yet there is many scriptures referencing "the Lords day" or Gods' specific claims to ownership of any particular day to the Sabbath day that he blessed and set aside as a holy day of rest for a memorial of creation (see Genesis 2:1-3) and made one of Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11).

God's "ownership" of the Sabbath day or "Lord's day is also repeated elsewhere as "MY" (ownership of the day as in the Greek used in REVELATION 1:10 κυριακη). Other scriptures in the bible pointing to "the Lords day" as being the Sabbath day...

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY. (the Sabbath day is Lord's day)

• ISAIAH 58:13-14 [13], If you turn away your foot from the SABBATH, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day); and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: [14], Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

• LEVITICUS 19:30 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day)and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

• EZEKIEL 20:12 Moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day) to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ used in Revelations 1:10 is in reference to the Lord's ownership of the day. It does not say that this day is in reference to μιά των σαββάτων which means the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.

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Your challenge here in this OP is to prove from the scriptures alone that the Lord's DAY is in reference to the First day of the week. If you cannot all you have is a teaching and tradition of men that is not supported in the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that refers to Sunday as being "the Lords day".

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.

the Sabbath ,was it part of the law ? yes, yes it was. and would be till Shiloh came as it turns out Jesus is the Shiloh.
have you ever read Matthew 5:17 ?

 

[metis]

Firstly, where does this scripture say you cannot travel more than 1 1/4 mile on the Sabbath like you posted earlier? -

It's an application of the Law since the biggest city in eretz Israel was Jerusalem, and at that time it was roughly 1- & 1/4-mile in diameter. Thus, this was set at the limit of how far one can leave their residence.

Thus, the point is that a Jew is not to travel from town to town on Shabbat as the Law states, and Jesus and all of the Apostles were Jews.

 

[3rdAngel]

It's an application of the Law since the biggest city in eretz Israel was Jerusalem, and at that time it was roughly 1- & 1/4-mile in diameter. Thus, this was set at the limit of how far one can leave their residence. Thus, the point is that a Jew is not to travel from town to town on Shabbat as the Law states, and Jesus and all of the Apostles were Jews.

Soo this 1 1/4 mile claim is not based on any scripture is it? It is a man-made teaching and tradition.

 

[3rdAngel]

Except that scriptures does not say that Jesus is the God of Creation.

Or does it...

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

• COLOSSIANS 1:14-16 14, In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15, WHO IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn of every creature: 16, FOR BY HIM WERE ALL THINGS CREATED, THAT ARE IN HEAVEN, AND THAT ARE IN EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THEY BE THRONES, OR DOMINIONS, OR PRINCIPALITIES, OR POWERS: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, AND FOR HIM: 17, AND HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS, AND BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST.

• HEBREWS 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS; 3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

It looks like Gods' Words disagree with your words that are not Gods' Word. Seems like Jesus is the God of creation according to the scriptures.

• 1 JOHN 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

• JOHN 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!”

• HEBREWS 1:8 But UNTO THE SON HE SAYS, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, WILL LAST FOR EVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF JUSTICE WILL BE THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.

• 2 PETER 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

• TITUS 2:1313 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

Take Care.

 

[metis]

Soo this 1 1/4 mile claim is not based on any scripture is it? It is a man-made teaching and tradition.

All scripture is based on "man-made teaching and tradition", imo. There is not one shred of objective evidence that God basically coined the scriptures, thus what we read is based on what people thought happened and what may have caused it.

For example, please show us any evidence that the Bible is Divinely inspired but the Bhagavad Gita is not? Instead, I think Divine inspiration works in another way, namely encouraging us to seek through what the Quakers call our "Inner Light".

I gotta go.

 

[Soapy]

Or does it...

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

• COLOSSIANS 1:14-16 14, In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15, WHO IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn of every creature: 16, FOR BY HIM WERE ALL THINGS CREATED, THAT ARE IN HEAVEN, AND THAT ARE IN EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THEY BE THRONES, OR DOMINIONS, OR PRINCIPALITIES, OR POWERS: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, AND FOR HIM: 17, AND HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS, AND BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST.

• HEBREWS 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS; 3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

It looks like Gods' Words disagree with your words that are not Gods' Word. Seems like Jesus is the God of creation according to the scriptures.

• 1 JOHN 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

• JOHN 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!”

• HEBREWS 1:8 But UNTO THE SON HE SAYS, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, WILL LAST FOR EVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF JUSTICE WILL BE THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.

• 2 PETER 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

• TITUS 2:1313 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

Take Care.

Keep on pasting swathes of nonsense. It seems it’s the only thing you know to do. You never explain what you mean by any of the things you quote since doing so would expose that they are false.

You post so much stuff that anyone attempting to try to reply to EVERYTHING would waste an enormity of time and effort - time and effort that you would immediately dismiss no matter the essential truth or otherwise in the response.

This then shows that you are not a credible poster in this forum but just a copy-paster hoping to overwhelm your opponent with dribbles of unqualified unscriptural nonsense.

And then you spend the rest of time attacking the opponent saying that he has not replied proving against your nonsense.

Well, IT IS NONSENSE to try to prove nonsense JUST AS IT IS NONSENSE to prove that JESUS IS GOD because NO ONE SAID HE WASN’T GOD!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Or does it...

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

• COLOSSIANS 1:14-16 14, In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15, WHO IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn of every creature: 16, FOR BY HIM WERE ALL THINGS CREATED, THAT ARE IN HEAVEN, AND THAT ARE IN EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THEY BE THRONES, OR DOMINIONS, OR PRINCIPALITIES, OR POWERS: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, AND FOR HIM: 17, AND HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS, AND BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST.

• HEBREWS 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS; 3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

It looks like Gods' Words disagree with your words that are not Gods' Word. Seems like Jesus is the God of creation according to the scriptures.

• 1 JOHN 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

• JOHN 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!”

• HEBREWS 1:8 But UNTO THE SON HE SAYS, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, WILL LAST FOR EVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF JUSTICE WILL BE THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.

• 2 PETER 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

• TITUS 2:1313 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

Take Care.

There is a problem with calling those quotes "God's word". Not even the Bible makes that mistake. Also I have never seen you deal with the even worse verses against your cause. The verses where Jesus says that he is not God.

Lastly, please tone down the excessive use of "green ink". It can be a sign of mental instability.

 

[3rdAngel]

All scripture is based on "man-made teaching and tradition", imo. There is not one shred of objective evidence that God basically coined the scriptures, thus what we read is based on what people thought happened and what may have caused it.

For example, please show us any evidence that the Bible is Divinely inspired but the Bhagavad Gita is not? Instead, I think Divine inspiration works in another way, namely encouraging us to seek through what the Quakers call our "Inner Light".

I gotta go.

Thanks this is where we are in disagreement. Why do you claim to be Christian when you do not believe that the scriptures of the bible are inspired by God and are God breathed? According to these same scriptures there is no salvation outside of faith (Ephesians 2:8-9) in these very words (Romans 10:17) you claim not to believe and follow according to 2 Timothy 3:16, Matthew 4:4. So I am guess you are not really a Christian or follow that God of the bible? My evidence is that it is through the words of these same scriptures I as an atheist found God but this God of the bible never reveals Himself to those who do not believe that He is real and to all those who walk in the path of sin and unbelief. I have looked into other religions and never found God and peace there. I found God in the very last place I expected to find Him (Christianity) though His Words. You will not be given any evidence that God exists if you say you will not believe until you see. Everyone will see one day but at that time it will be too late according to the scriptures.

 

[3rdAngel]

please tone down the excessive use of "green ink". It can be a sign of mental instability.

I see you are reverting back to the name calling again SZ. I thought we agreed not to do this but to follow the three rules we discussed earlier?

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Or does it...

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

• COLOSSIANS 1:14-16 14, In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15, WHO IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn of every creature: 16, FOR BY HIM WERE ALL THINGS CREATED, THAT ARE IN HEAVEN, AND THAT ARE IN EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THEY BE THRONES, OR DOMINIONS, OR PRINCIPALITIES, OR POWERS: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, AND FOR HIM: 17, AND HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS, AND BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST.

• HEBREWS 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS; 3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

It looks like Gods' Words disagree with your words that are not Gods' Word. Seems like Jesus is the God of creation according to the scriptures.

• 1 JOHN 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

• JOHN 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!”

• HEBREWS 1:8 But UNTO THE SON HE SAYS, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, WILL LAST FOR EVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF JUSTICE WILL BE THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.

• 2 PETER 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

• TITUS 2:1313 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

Your response here...

Keep on pasting swathes of nonsense. It seems it’s the only thing you know to do. You never explain what you mean by any of the things you quote since doing so would expose that they are false.!

What did you need explained to you in the scriptures from the post you are quoting from? They speak for themselves they say Jesus is God and Jesus is the creator that disagree with your words of you quoting you saying Jesus is not the God of creation. Scripture is not as you call them "swathes of nonsense" but I see you do not believe them because they disagree with you.

Take Care.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Soo this 1 1/4 mile claim is not based on any scripture is it? It is a man-made teaching and tradition.

So? You say man made tradition like it's a bad thing.

The truth is that God authorized men to interpret the law. Deuteronomy 17:8-13

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see you are reverting back to the name calling again SZ. I thought we agreed not to do this but to follow the three rules we discussed earlier?

No, you called yourself names. I stated a fact and you applied it to yourself. Using excess green ink is not a good sign. Now that you know you will hopefully avoid it in the future. That makes your posts weaker not stronger. Did I say that you are a loon for using it?

You should not be so sensitive to corrections. Corrections are rarely name calling.

Also, why did you ignore the rest of that post? Running away and using excuses to attack others does not work.

 

[3rdAngel]

So? You say man made tradition like it's a bad thing.The truth is that God authorized men to interpret the law. Deuteronomy 17:8-13

No not at all. Tradition is fine as long as it does not lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God. Tradition however is bad according to Matthew 15:3-9 if we follow them over the words of God and they lead us away from Gods Word to break His commandments.

 

[3rdAngel]

No, you called yourself names. I stated a fact and you applied it to yourself. Using excess green ink is not a good sign. Now that you know you will hopefully avoid it in the future. That makes your posts weaker not stronger. Did I say that you are a loon for using it? You should not be so sensitive to corrections. Corrections are rarely name calling.

Nope your name calling again

Subduction Zone said: ↑ please tone down the excessive use of "green ink". It can be a sign of mental instability.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

No not at all. Tradition is fine as long as it does not lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God. Tradition however is bad according to Matthew 15:3-9 if we follow them over the words of God and they lead us away from Gods Word to break His commandments.

Determining how far one can walk on the Shabbat before it becomes work is a legitimate use of the authority of the Rabbis.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope your name calling again

There was no name calling.

And you are running away again.

 

[3rdAngel]

Determining how far one can walk on the Shabbat before it becomes work is a legitimate use of the authority of the Rabbis.

Its a subjective man made teachings that is not supported in the Torah or old testament scriptures

 

[3rdAngel]

There was no name calling.

And you are running away again.

Nope running away is when you cannot address someone post and have no evidence for false claims and accusations. That is what you do as proven earlier. (e.g. see post # 602 linked and post # 603 linked; also see post # 642 linked). I thought you agreed not to do this anymore?