"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[3rdAngel]

You forgot to finish that sentence. You need to type “to me” after the word ‘sentence’.

Easy! God is in a class of His own, Soapy. To me, and to every Christian I know, the word God means the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

To Christians, the word God is not just a label. It is infinitely more. It means:--

Goodness
Graciousness
Holiness
Infinity
Love
Mystery
The three ‘omnis’
Immutability
Eternal
Aseity

(Just some of His attributes)

Many gods; One God.
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(I think I’ve made a mistake, Soapy and I apologize. I assumed you were a Christian).
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You have accused 3rd Angel and me of being 'a Satan’. And you have refused to apologize. You are turning truth on Its head.

What you are saying sis makes perfect sense to me

 

[Soapy]

What you are saying sis makes perfect sense to me

Of course it makes perfect sense to you. Nonsense makes perfect sense to those who believe in nonsense. QED!

 

[Soapy]

Here we go down this rabbit warren again

There is no difference in the two covenants!

In the First Covenant, the Israelites said to Moses (referring to the 10 commandments and moral laws given to them) "all these things we will do"

Exodus 19:7 So Moses went back and summoned the elders of the people and set before them all these words that the LORD had commanded him. 8And all the people answered together, “We will do everything that the LORD has spoken.” So Moses brought their words back to the LORD.​

God found fault with the Israelites (Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8) and issued a new one correcting the problem he found with the people. What was that fault God found with them and how did he fix it?

The fault is simple, the people did not live up to their promise to Moses made before God in Exodus 19!


How did God fix the problem?

New Covenant

33“But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel

after those days, declares the LORD.

I will put My law in their minds

and inscribe it on their hearts.

And I will be their God,

and they will be My people.34No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother,

saying, ‘Know the LORD,’

because they will all know Me,

from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD.


When Jesus said "i come not to destory the law but to fulfill it" (Matthew 5:17), he was not talking about fulfillment as meaning its done dusted no longer needed. Gods law is eternal, its a reflection of His character. It will always exist.

A very import biblical concept about the law, (ie the 10 commandments) is that they forrm two categories...commands 1-3 = love God and commands 5-10=love thy neighbour. The 4th commandment is the glue that binds them all together...hence Jesus statement i come to fulfill the law! I find this is proven by the text in Revelation 14:12 regarding the patience of the saints.

Who are the saints of God? They are those who do what? 2 things:
1. keep the commandments of God and
2. Have the testimony/faith of Jesus

We know that one cannot be saved by works...that is not what the saints in revelation is defining. the keeping of the commandments (or morality and good works if you like) are "the fruits of our faith" (James 2:18). We want to do good works because we are saved...not the other way around!
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“For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.” (Hebrews 8:7)

 

[Soapy]

Sadly you are not telling the truth again. Please be honest and post me a link to where I have not answered your question with a detailed scripture response. If you cannot why make up things that are not true? I will leave these questions between you and God to work through.

There are many posts to you where I asked you explicit questions and with limiting criteria’s but you responded in your typical extraneous way with swathes of text.

Prove to me that I’m not telling the truth about that?

 

[Soapy]

You forgot to finish that sentence. You need to type “to me” after the word ‘sentence’.

Easy! God is in a class of His own, Soapy. To me, and to every Christian I know, the word God means the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

To Christians, the word God is not just a label. It is infinitely more. It means:--

Goodness
Graciousness
Holiness
Infinity
Love
Mystery
The three ‘omnis’
Immutability
Eternal
Aseity

(Just some of His attributes)

Many gods; One God.
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(I think I’ve made a mistake, Soapy and I apologize. I assumed you were a Christian).
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You have accused 3rd Angel and me of being 'a Satan’. And you have refused to apologize. You are turning truth on Its head.

The first quote response did not need embellishment - I meant to say ‘It does not make sense!’ QED!

The question I asked you was to define the WORD ‘GOD’. I explicitly stated that it is the MEANING of the word that I wanted you to show. But, as you wrote your answer you realise that defining the word would deny far more than you are willing to admit and so you change to defining what the JEWISH GOD is to Jewish and Christian believers - which strays from the explicitivity of the question i asked you.

And you again allude to the capitalisation or not in the word written (‘God’ / ‘god(s)’) which is of absolutely no relevance in the definition of the word ‘God’ (I capitalise the first letter purposely here!)

FYI, the word ‘God’ is no different to the word ‘King’ or ‘Master’ or ‘Lord’ of ‘Monarch’ or ‘Father’…. They are all TITLES of persons (let’s stick to sentient entities for the moment) in relevant status positions.

Virtually every religion cites their spiritual heads as ‘God(s)’. This is because - as you outlined - it points to an entity as a complete superior to all others in the same category. They are RULERS, they make commandments that must be obeyed, they dictate the first order of obedience, their utterances (their word) is irresistible, etc.

‘Their word is irresistible’…. ‘Their word is GOD’ (a powerfully recursive statement!!)

And there it is: ‘The word of God(1)is God(2)’!!!

Do you not see it?

1. The deity - the person so titled
2. The defined class - Irresistible, ruling, almighty…

No one in scriptures DENIES that there are those (believable or not, real or unreal, mythical or true) also titled ‘God’. THEREFORE it is necessary to DISTINGUISH WHICH GOD is being referred to in every context.

For this reason ‘THE GOD BELIEVED ON BY THE ISRAELITES’ gave Moses a NAME to give to the Israelites by which He (THE GOD OF THE ISRAELITES) is to be distinguished FROM OTHER GODS (whom other tribes, nations, and people believed on).

Point of fact, did Abraham’s family not believe in Gods that they worshipped and prayed to?

This God, time and time again, declared himself by the definition of one in such a position as is right for him: ‘I am YOUR God’, ‘I am your ONLY GOD’.

The term ‘God’ is to be interpreted as:

• ‘Almighty one’, ‘Ruling Power’, ‘Commanding Authority’ etc

Now, because the (Jews) believed in only one God they had no need to DISTINGUISH this God from any other WITHIN the context of Jewish belief. Other religions still had to state WHICH GOD they were referring to in any context - by, for instance, adding in the name of the explicit God. In exchanges between Jews and other belief systems it was necessary to identify which God they referred to. Without being explicit by name, a Jew may be said, ‘Our God’ or ‘My God’, or ‘The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob’ (or similar Jewish forefather) and the other person might say, ‘Baal’, ‘Dagon’, ‘Isis’, ‘Horus’, etc. The Jews would have, originally identified their God with the name their God gave them to call him, ‘Yahweh’ (modern pronunciation and spelling, possibly) but over time, and due to fear of using that name irreverently, they stopped pronouncing the name and referred to their ruling spiritual authority as only ‘God’… and more because they kept themselves together as a tribe and nation they had no need to identify ‘which’ God they were referring to: ‘You are to have no OTHER GOD before me!’.

Therefore, this God said to them: ‘I am a greater God than all other deities whom are called Gods that you may have encountered: I am God of all whom are called God!’ - ‘I am MIGHTIER than all whom are called MIGHTY!’

• ‘God’ = ‘Mighty
• ‘God of all…’ = ‘Mightiest of all…’
• ‘I am Ruler over all who are called Rulers’
• ‘My commandments are irresistible: The word that goes out from me will by no means return until it has fulfilled that to which to it was sent out to achieve

The problem I see with trinitarian beliebers is that they fear to define the words and terms they use properly since doing so would expose the fact that they are more often incongruent with truth.

I asked you a simple question that should have resulted in a definition not of the meaning of the word ‘God’ - not WHOM IT IS APPLIED TO AS A PERSON OF JEWISH OR CHRISTIAN BELIEF.

Can you still answer ONLY what I asked you?

Why not?

Is it because it would expose scripture verses such as John 1:1 as fallacious interpretations in trinitarian belief:

• ‘In the beginning was the ruling word of YAHWEH; ‘Let there be light’, Let this and that be… etc
• ‘And the ruling command was with almighty authority’ (The word of Yahweh is with almighty power and authority)
• ‘And the utterance was almighty and irresistible over all things’ (Whatever Yahweh spoke was carried out in full authority and exactly as commanded)

Later, in the utterances of Yahweh, after Adam sinned, Yahweh uttered a word that salvation for mankind would come by way of the Seed of a Woman (a Sinless man - like the first sinless man, Adam) - and, in time designated by Yahweh, HIS UTTERANCE CAME TO FRUITION - it put on flesh (Which is to say that it came to be: re- the word that goes forth from Yahweh will come true!)

There is no direct reference to ‘WORD OF GOD’ pertaining to the man, Jesus, in John 1:1. John 1:1 refers to the creation of the world. Isaiah 42:1 is prophesy from Yahweh which states that He will SEND A SERVANT whom He will delight in and on whom He will anoint with His Spirit.

Why then would a servant be anointed with the spirit of God (thereby giving such a person the authority to use the spirit of Yahweh) if such a servant were Yahweh himself?

 

[3rdAngel]

Of course it makes perfect sense to you. Nonsense makes perfect sense to those who believe in nonsense. QED!

Let's be honest Soapy. The only nonsense being posted here is coming from you. You post content that you are unable to prove. Then get challenged by others and are unable to prove what you say. Now that many people are pointing this out to you and try and help you here you seem to be getting upset. There is no need for it. Receive Gods correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word does not make them disappear.

 

[3rdAngel]

“For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.” (Hebrews 8:7)

It seem you do not know the difference between the old and the new covenants.

 

[3rdAngel]

There are many posts to you where I asked you explicit questions and with limiting criteria’s but you responded in your typical extraneous way with swathes of text. Prove to me that I’m not telling the truth about that?

Thanks for proving my point. You cannot prove what you say and post me a link to anywhere where I have not answered your questions with a detailed scripture response can you.

 

[samtonga43]

The first quote response did not need embellishment - I meant to say ‘It does not make sense!’ *QED!

It needs correction (embellishment is the wrong word). Are you really saying that because it does not make sense to you, it does not make sense to anyone? If so, you have an unrealistically high opinion of yourself and your cognitive ability.
* (Quod erat demonstrandum? What are you talking about? You have proved nothing).

The problem I see with trinitarian beliebers is that they fear to define the words and terms they use properly since doing so would expose the fact that they are more often incongruent with truth.

But it is clear to me that you see through a glass darkly. I have no fear whatsoever. I believe Scripture.

I asked you a simple question that should have resulted in a definition not of the meaning of the word ‘God’ - not WHOM IT IS APPLIED TO AS A PERSON OF JEWISH OR CHRISTIAN BELIEF.
Can you still answer ONLY what I asked you?

Here is what you asked me, Soapy. Your exact words:---
“Ok, tell me what the word, ‘God’ means to you”.
I told you what the word ‘God’ means to me, but you’re still not happy. Do stop complaining, and pay attention.

Is it because it would expose scripture verses such as John 1:1 as fallacious interpretations in trinitarian belief:‘In the beginning was the ruling word of YAHWEH; ‘Let there be light’, Let this and that be… etc‘And the ruling command was with almighty authority’ (The word of Yahweh is with almighty power and authority)
‘And the utterance was almighty and irresistible over all things’ (Whatever Yahweh spoke was carried out in full authority and exactly as commanded)

“You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you”. Deuteronomy 4:2
As I said before, you are altering what the Bible says to suit yourself. When you don’t like what Scripture says, you believe that you are free to change it. There’s a word for this kind of behavior.
You know, it occurs to me that when you don’t like what I or 3rdAngel say, you must be really annoyed because you cannot change what we say, so you call us ‘satan’.
Immaturity at best; extreme fundyism at worst.

Later, in the utterances of Yahweh, after Adam sinned, Yahweh uttered a word that salvation for mankind would come by way of the Seed of a Woman (a Sinless man - like the first sinless man, Adam) - and, in time designated by Yahweh, HIS UTTERANCE CAME TO FRUITION - it put on flesh (Which is to say that it came to be: re- the word that goes forth from Yahweh will come true!)

Nope. Christ was not a sinless man in the same way that Adam was a sinless man. Have you not heard of the hypostatic union? Look it up.

Why then would a servant be anointed with the spirit of God (thereby giving such a person the authority to use the spirit of Yahweh) if such a servant were Yahweh himself?

 

[3rdAngel]

It needs correction (embellishment is the wrong word). Are you really saying that because it does not make sense to you, it does not make sense to anyone? If so, you have an unrealistically high opinion of yourself and your cognitive ability.
* (Quod erat demonstrandum? What are you talking about? You have proved nothing).

But it is clear to me that you see through a glass darkly. I have no fear whatsoever. I believe Scripture.

Here is what you asked me, Soapy. Your exact words:---
“Ok, tell me what the word, ‘God’ means to you”.
I told you what the word ‘God’ means to me, but you’re still not happy. Do stop complaining, and pay attention.

“You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you”. Deuteronomy 4:2
As I said before, you are altering what the Bible says to suit yourself. When you don’t like what Scripture says, you believe that you are free to change it. There’s a word for this kind of behavior.
You know, it occurs to me that when you don’t like what I or 3rdAngel say, you must be really annoyed because you cannot change what we say, so you call us ‘satan’.
Immaturity at best; extreme fundyism at worst.

Nope. Christ was not a sinless man in the same way that Adam was a sinless man. Have you not heard of the hypostatic union? Look it up.

I kind of liked the helpful song you added for Soapy. Thanks sis

 

[Soapy]

Let's be honest Soapy. The only nonsense being posted here is coming from you. You post content that you are unable to prove. Then get challenged by others and are unable to prove what you say. Now that many people are pointing this out to you and try and help you here you seem to be getting upset. There is no need for it. Receive Gods correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word does not make them disappear.

Wrong again. You don’t seem to understand that every trinitarian misconception reinforces its the fallacy.

Opposing wrongfulness does not entail ‘winning’ since the oppressor and opposer is skilled at gaining an advantage, especially deceitfully. If I sound upset it is only as much as, say, John the Baptist raging at the Jews or Jesus outrageous tantrum at the misuse of the temple given over to worship of his Father.

Trinity is so clearly wrong that - yes - perhaps I’m a little too eager to show it is wrong and the absolutely ridiculous rhetoric spouted by its proponents is obviously a blind-side of their intelligence.

And you - from how you post with your ‘proofs’ … I’m amazed that even you are trinitarian!!

 

[3rdAngel]

Wrong again. You don’t seem to understand that every trinitarian misconception reinforces its the fallacy.

What was wrong Soapy? You cannot make a statement without proving what you say. You have already been shown why your statements are wrong with scripture but you refuse to respond to the posts content and the scriptures that are in disagreement with you or the posts and questions asked of you from others that have been trying to help you here. So I guess we will agree to disagree dear friend because you seem to be unwilling to receive correction when proven to be wrong.

Opposing wrongfulness does not entail ‘winning’ since the oppressor and opposer is skilled at gaining an advantage, especially deceitfully. If I sound upset it is only as much as, say, John the Baptist raging at the Jews or Jesus outrageous tantrum at the misuse of the temple given over to worship of his Father.

I think what you are not understanding here Soapy is that you are arguing against scripture which are Gods' Words not my words with your words that are not Gods' Word. John the Baptist would never do such things. So no you are not John the Baptist.

Trinity is so clearly wrong that - yes - perhaps I’m a little too eager to show it is wrong and the absolutely ridiculous rhetoric spouted by its proponents is obviously a blind-side of their intelligence.

Sorry Soapy but you quoting you against arguing against the scriptures shared with you is you arguing with Gods word with your words. It seems your argument is with God not me as it has only been Gods' Words that have been shared with you not my words. I am surprised you cannot see this.

And you - from how you post with your ‘proofs’ … I’m amazed that even you are trinitarian!!

Your post here does not really make any sense. I have been posting scripture that has been in disagreement with your words that are not God's Word and you seem to be getting upset about it. I really do not understand why. Please receive Gods' correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods' Words do not make them disappear. According to Jesus the words of God we accept or reject will become our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-48).

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

“For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.” (Hebrews 8:7)

What does the new covenant mean to you and what is the old?

 

[3rdAngel]

And you - from how you post with your ‘proofs’ … I’m amazed that even you are trinitarian!!

Yes I believe what the bible says.

 

[samtonga43]

Opposing wrongfulness does not entail ‘winning’ since the
Trinity is so clearly wrong that - yes - perhaps I’m a little too eager to show it is wrong and the absolutely ridiculous rhetoric spouted by its proponents is obviously a blind-side of their intelligence.

But you are not showing that Trinitarianism is wrong, Soapy. Let me tell you what you are doing. You are attempting to show that Trinitarianism is wrong.

However, this attempt to show that it is wrong leads you to alter the words of Scripture.

"You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you". Deuteronomy 4:2

 

[Soapy]

It seem you do not know the difference between the old and the new covenants.

The poster was saying that there was no second covenant.

 

[Soapy]

But you are not showing that Trinitarianism is wrong, Soapy. Let me tell you what you are doing. You are attempting to show that Trinitarianism is wrong.

However, this attempt to show that it is wrong leads you to alter the words of Scripture.

"You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you". Deuteronomy 4:2

You say that Jesus is God. That is worse than any other commandment that God gave.

Trinity states that Jesus is the image of God. So do I because it’s true.

But an image is not the original.

‘Image of God’ is the same as ‘Son of God’: An image completely !! imitates !! what it’s source does within its own ability.

An image can do nothing that the source doesn’t FIRST DO!

An image takes its power from the source - it is not the source itself.

Angels do what God commands, directs, orders, shows, then to do - exactly! They, therefore are imitators of God in context of spirit. But they MUST only do within context what they are told to do else they become opposers to the word (command) of God. They have Lea-way for small alterations as long as the result is achieved to the pleasure of God.

Human beings are image of God but they have FREE-WILL so that the fullness of the Sonship can be displayed. Humans can deviate from Hod’s commands BUT must show penance if they are to be forgiven : Angels cannot show penance and are marked for destruction if they willingly stray outside of the pleasure of God.

Jesus is a man. He was born of the seed of a woman but not of the fertilisation of a man (whom is sinful by reason of Adam!) Therefore Jesus is pure, holy, sinless, righteous, just as Adam was before Adam sinned: Hence Jesus Christ is called, ‘The Last Adam’.

How did Jesus perform miracles; He was GRANTED POWER and the AUTHORITY to wield that power when he was ANOINTED BY GOD at the river Jordan baptism: ‘Acts 10:37-38)

Jesus even stated, himself, that everything he does is because of the Father working in him: he never claims that he, himself, is God… he says that the Father: “Is the only true God’.

Notice the word, ‘True’. This does not DENY that others WHOM ARE CALLED ‘God’. It does DECLARE that there is only ONE that is HEAD OF ALL WHOM ARE CALLED GOD.

Why is this: … it is because as I stated: ‘the word “God” just means (for simplicity) ‘MIGHTY ONE’. And of course, there are many whom are ‘Mighty ones’ throughout mankind, hence it can be stated:

• ‘The grand chess master is GOD of the game of Chess!’
• ‘The Father is the God of the household’
• ‘The Lion is God of the animals’
• ‘The Principal is God of the school’
• ‘The Judge is God of his courtroom’
• ‘Yahweh is God of the Jews’
• To the Jews and Christians Yahweh is God of all Gods’

What do you see from the examples?
The claim of Godship is followed by a CONTEXT.

And also, can you substitute the word ‘God’ in any example above? What word would you substitute?
Perhaps an appropriate adjective? A superlative adjective?
Like what? ‘Mightiest’, ‘Greatest’, ‘Most Glorious’, ‘Most Majestic’, ‘Above all others in their class’?

Hmmm….
‘The word [of [the] God of the Jews] was [the Mightiest of words] spoken by [the God of the jews]’

 

[Soapy]

Yes I believe what the bible says.

Clearly not - but that’s what trinity does to its proponents. It’s just as scriptures says:

• ‘[God] will send them a strong delusion so that they will believe the lie’ (2 Thes 2:11)

And, to cover yourself even more, you quote truth from scriptures such that less cautious readers first drawn in by that truth and then are drawn into the lie.

Afterall, the best lies are 95% truth….

 

[Soapy]

What does the new covenant mean to you and what is the old?

You are the expert. You outline the difference!!

What I’m looking at is that Jesus came with the word from God, his Father. If Jesus was God, as your trinitarian teaching fools you, then the word of God would be His Word but it isn’t:

• ‘For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.’
• ‘Father, I have given them the word you gave me to give to them - and they have received it.’
• ‘The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.’

Jesus said:

• ‘Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.’

Why did Jesus say that God was seeking ‘TRUE’ worshippers if true worshippers were already worshipping on the sabbath day.

The answer: True worship is not confined to a specific day and a specific time. True worship is at any time wherein devotion is shown in spirit and truth….

It is RITUAL to only worship on a dictated day and dictated time in repetitive and rote manner!

Worshipping in spirit and truth cannot be rote nor ritualistic!

 

[Soapy]

What was wrong Soapy? You cannot make a statement without proving what you say. You have already been shown why your statements are wrong with scripture but you refuse to respond to the posts content and the scriptures that are in disagreement with you or the posts and questions asked of you from others that have been trying to help you here. So I guess we will agree to disagree dear friend because you seem to be unwilling to receive correction when proven to be wrong.

I think what you are not understanding here Soapy is that you are arguing against scripture which are Gods' Words not my words with your words that are not Gods' Word. John the Baptist would never do such things. So no you are not John the Baptist.

Sorry Soapy but you quoting you against arguing against the scriptures shared with you is you arguing with Gods word with your words. It seems your argument is with God not me as it has only been Gods' Words that have been shared with you not my words. I am surprised you cannot see this.

Your post here does not really make any sense. I have been posting scripture that has been in disagreement with your words that are not God's Word and you seem to be getting upset about it. I really do not understand why. Please receive Gods' correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods' Words do not make them disappear. According to Jesus the words of God we accept or reject will become our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-48).

Take Care.

So God told you that he is Jesus… really?
I thought scriptures says that God ‘adopted’ Jesus as ‘Son’:

• ‘You are my Son; this day I have become your Father!’

Can you deny that that is an adoption statement?

And Jesus told the Jews that he is almighty God?
I thought Jesus said:

• ‘I did not call myself God… I said only that I was the son of God!’

Those two claims seem to go together!

What does it mean that ‘God called men who received His word, “Gods”?

Doesnt ‘Gods’ mean ‘Mighty Ones’