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Which religion is the one true religion?
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Regards Tony
Tell me True .. Tell me Why .. was Jesus Crucified .. was it for this that - Daddy Died. Full marks for naming that tune .. or getting the artist.
K .. "the God as shown" .. are you refering to "Ahura Mazda" .. my favorite Divnity .. if for nothing else than being named after a sports car... or vice versa - The Uncreated one .. ungendered .. and therefor rendered unto you .. Boo
Unseeking seeker
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Religion (any) is a belief system, addressing lower mind. Spirituality is a direct void-centric inquiry in our heart.
The truth of we always were, are and will be, is veiled by our concepts.
Immersion in silence or let us say, meditation, in thought rested stillness, releases us from bondage. However, attention oscillates, so it takes a while before we can rest in silence without effort (effort is doership, egoic).
Head melds with heart in time. Heart is the center.
The process of surrender of ego in head into purified heart, drops identity, which we are not. Then who we are is seen clearly as living light, in a singularity. Nothing is attained, only recognised in active cognition, in the waking state.
The truth of we always were, are and will be, is veiled by our concepts.
Immersion in silence or let us say, meditation, in thought rested stillness, releases us from bondage. However, attention oscillates, so it takes a while before we can rest in silence without effort (effort is doership, egoic).
Head melds with heart in time. Heart is the center.
The process of surrender of ego in head into purified heart, drops identity, which we are not. Then who we are is seen clearly as living light, in a singularity. Nothing is attained, only recognised in active cognition, in the waking state.
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
If the true is exactly the same as the false, then it must be true. Because the false confirms the truth.
It reveals as being truth and conceals as being false.
There is wisdom in the foolishness.
"Which religion is the one true religion?"
Well let's see. Christianity says its the one true religion. Within Christianity the Church of Christ says its the most true. The Jehovas witnesses say they are. The Mormons say they are. The Baptist say they are...etc. etc.
Well let's see. Christianity says its the one true religion. Within Christianity the Church of Christ says its the most true. The Jehovas witnesses say they are. The Mormons say they are. The Baptist say they are...etc. etc.
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
Not necessarily. Because understanding the story of Jesus in a different way could prove Islam is true. Both could be correct.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Don't get confused, this could be sorted out with the tool of "Religious Method of claim and gist of reason from the founder himself", for Christianity it would be from Jesus himself in first person, please, right?
Regards
Idealistically, yes. The problem arises when the religion splinters into so many different factions. Some resembling each other very little. For instance; Catholicism and Jehovas Witnesses have very little in common, yet still have the title of Christian.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
David1967:
#45
"Which religion is the one true religion?"
Well let's see. Christianity says its the one true religion. Within Christianity the Church of Christ says its the most true. The Jehovas witnesses say they are. The Mormons say they are. The Baptist say they are...etc. etc.
paarsurrey said:
Don't get confused, this could be sorted out with the tool of "Religious Method of claim and gist of reason from the founder himself", for Christianity it would be from Jesus himself in first person, please, right?
Regards
#45
"Which religion is the one true religion?"
Well let's see. Christianity says its the one true religion. Within Christianity the Church of Christ says its the most true. The Jehovas witnesses say they are. The Mormons say they are. The Baptist say they are...etc. etc.
paarsurrey said:
Don't get confused, this could be sorted out with the tool of "Religious Method of claim and gist of reason from the founder himself", for Christianity it would be from Jesus himself in first person, please, right?
One could use the " Religious Method of claim and gist of reason from the founder himself" and find the truth very evident and clear, amazingly, please, right?
Regards
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
Ive had a look at different religions. I think the truth is not exactly what they are say. The truth is in what they are doing with their words.
To some the strange speech sounds like magic, to some the speech sounds like nonsense.
This happens because neither can explain how the words could be true, as magic is not an explanation.
I see there is truth in their word positioning. Thats how one word can jump to a seemingly unrelated word in a sentence (not magic). They are connecting their words into a single pattern which could be considered timeless. Its a pattern like a wheel where each word has a specific position within the wheel.
So I believe the pattern is the one true religion. The positioning in the pattern is the key to being able to hear the different words. Thats where the sense can be found in what they are saying. All speaking the same pattern equals all saying the same thing.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
OMGosh this is like the third time in the last two days that you have quoted yourself. Look, if no one answers, it means no one is interested. Move on.
It's actually not difficult to identify a possibly true religion. Humans are blinded by the god of this world and failed to reckon the exclusive way of how a truth shall convey among humans. Humans failed to recognize it but make use of it literally on everything and on a daily basis. So all you need to do is bring it to your own consciousness.
As an analogy,
If the US government has a crucial message for its citizens, say there's an alien attack coming, what shall it do? It shall make use of a US-facing mass media to broadcast the news in the hope that the piece of news can reach all citizens of the United States. It doesn't employ a local radio located in a remote villiage, it employs a mass media and this mass media must be US-facing, not just a state or two.
Similarly, if God has a crucial message for humans while He has a good reason not to show up publicly then what should He do?
He employs Christianity as His mass media while Christianity is a human-facing media with an explicit command from its deity saying that, the gospel (i.e., the news) shall be preached (i.e., broadcast) to all nations (i.e., making it human-facing). Other religions without such an enforcement are like a radio station seated in a remote village.
That's why Christianity is conveying in a human-facing manner since day one it's established, but not any other religions. The Jews are the CNN department trained up to gather the news, while Christianity is responsible for the real time broadcasting, in a human-facing manner that is.
Audient-facing is the first element in this process of conveying truth. The second element with the same weight is faith.
As an analogy,
While CNN saying that there's an alien attack coming, Fox News says that it's a rumor. What would you say? Both are valid US-facing media in this case (well this reminds me of the Biden vs. Trump election). All you can do with your maximum capability is to choose one of the two to believe with faith, though with the full awereness that one out of the two must be a lie.
All you need is faith. So which religion is with both audient-facing and faith emphasized explicitly? It's not a difficult pick, indeed!
Though there are other determining elements which, say making both CNN and Fox News valid media in the case of Trump and Biden. As a result, both Biden and Trump stand as a valid candidate of truth, the most important two elements are listed above.
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To know what the true religion is, it is necessary to know the true God and know what pleases him and what displeases him.
When two or more people are engaged in serving that God in the way He approves, then they are worshiping according to the true religion.
True religion requires that its teachings agree with the truth that the true God speaks at the time of him, and it must defend what is correct from the point of view of that God.
True religion is not a human invention, but the correct way to worship and serve the true God. The true God cannot be invented, so true religion cannot be something that humans invent on their own without taking into account God, the real one.
True religion must be based on a fixed and unchangeable manual of revelations and instructions, like the Bible, which no one can change because it is already recorded and complete.
When two or more people are engaged in serving that God in the way He approves, then they are worshiping according to the true religion.
True religion requires that its teachings agree with the truth that the true God speaks at the time of him, and it must defend what is correct from the point of view of that God.
True religion is not a human invention, but the correct way to worship and serve the true God. The true God cannot be invented, so true religion cannot be something that humans invent on their own without taking into account God, the real one.
True religion must be based on a fixed and unchangeable manual of revelations and instructions, like the Bible, which no one can change because it is already recorded and complete.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Atheism, obviously
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Let me ask you a question. What do you think a good religion should do for a person? I'll use the word good instead of true right now. So in other words, what would you expect from a good religion? Perhaps you can start...
I think this is an excellent question that deserves a topic of its own rather than being buried on the third page of thread of a different topic that's over a month old. I'm going to create a new thread. Thank you for the idea.Let me ask you a question. What do you think a good religion should do for a person? I'll use the word good instead of true right now. So in other words, what would you expect from a good religion? Perhaps you can start...
Pete in Panama
Well-Known Member
Don't you think this may be missing the boat here? If our criterion is "what it does for me" then I'd be going for the highest bidder. My thinking is religious views involve a connection w/ the universe and a chance to do what's right. I certainly wouldn't go for a religion that said screw the universe and do what I say no matter what and here's $17.50 to join.Let me ask you a question. What do you think a good religion should do for a person? I'll use the word good instead of true right now. So in other words, what would you expect from a good religion? Perhaps you can start...
There are ways of looking at this question in terms what's right and what's wrong.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
I do believe many religions are true enough for those that believe in them. The Baha'i Faith is great for people that want to be part of a new religion that is working towards uniting all people, no matter what race or religion that they came from. It's a great religion for those that believe God has always been guiding people and has always been sending new messengers with new teachings. And that God's latest message through his latest prophet has the teachings that will eventually bring peace to the world. That's a great religion to believe in.
However, who was the God of Noah? He cursed Adam and Eve and the whole Earth, because Adam disobeyed him. A few centuries later, there were giants in the land and most everybody was doing evil. This God was sorry he had created man and decided to kill all of them except Noah and his family.
After a fresh start, people were still doing evil and worshipping false gods. But he liked Abraham. So, what does God ask of Abraham? He tells him to go sacrifice his son? What kind of God would do that? And why would anybody listen to a God like that? But Abraham did. And fortunately, it was only a test. God stopped him just before Abraham was going to plunge a knife into his son's chest.
Then there's Moses. Were still within the teachings of the Hebrew Bible. It is their beliefs about their God. This God sends curses and plagues on the Egyptians and hates all people that worship other gods. He drowns the whole Egyptian army. This God gives a bunch of laws to Moses to give to the people. Later, after Moses dies, this God leads his people into the "promised" land. In that land this God helps his people kill and destroy every city along the way. In some cities this God orders them to kill all the men, woman and children in the city.
These are the ancient stories and myths of a people. I'm not surprised that the "supreme" God is on their side, and that all the other people were evil and deserved to die. Could people get away with stories of their God doing things like that today? No. For ancient times? Yeah. But do people these days really think that the "good" and "holy" God that they believe in today, actually did those things? Yeah, some do.
But now let's leave the God of the Children of Israel and go to India. Who is the God of Krishna? Vishnu? Who is Vishnu? One of many Gods? And, for some, Krishna is a God. This isn't the same God that Moses was following.
Buddha? I don't know what God he talked about.
Zoroaster? I don't know, but the things I've read make it sound like there were two deities, one good and one evil. The good one, of course, was more powerful and would win out in the end.
Jesus? Back to the God of Israel but with a few changes. One of them being that the old law wasn't required anymore. But this God had a bigger problem. The problem was sin. He couldn't let sin go unpunished, but no human could ever be good enough to pay the penalty for their sins. What this God needed was a perfect sacrifice, his son, Jesus. This God had an adversary, a powerful evil spirit being. This spirit being, so the story goes, turned evil and has been fighting against God ever since. This God, though, allows this spirit being to tempt and deceive humans. But part of the plan of this God was going to have his son pay for the penalty for sin, conquer death and conquer this spirit being all at the same time... all by sacrificing his son's life by dying on a cross. But did this God let his son just die and have his body rot away? No, this God raised him from the dead.
Then there's Muhammad. With Muhammad. God again brings in a bunch of laws. So, God goes from lots of laws in Judaism. To getting rid of those laws with Christianity. To bringing back a bunch of laws with Islam.
Then there's the Bab. A few years, his laws I don't think ever got enforced. But God's main purpose for him was to declare himself a prophet of God in 1844. For Baha'is that fulfilled a whole bunch of Bible prophecies. And his big pronouncement was that another manifestation of God was coming soon.
And that gets us to Baha'u'llah. He says that all these messengers all came from the same, one true God. That all these religions were the "true" religion for their times. Unfortunately, all of them got corrupted in one way or another. All of them got misinterpreted and misunderstood in one way or another. So, this time, God had the prophet write down God's laws and teachings, so there'd be no confusion, or at least less confusion.
So, just in a simple, basic look at some of these religions, does it seem like one God is behind all of them? But does it matter? Because I really think all of them are true, that is, they all become true to those that believe and follow them. But are any of them really true?
It would be a very bland and boring garden if all the flowers were the same CG.
Variety is the spice of life, the key here is it is the one Gardener who has planted the diversity of the human world and appointed the caretakers of each plot.
Regards Tony