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What is Your Disbelief?

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
What is Your Disbelief?

My disbelief is in Western Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism* and all of their other denominations, and Pauline-Christianity is the flip side* of Western Atheism and the vice versa, whatever their label/name may be, please, right?
Why to believe in them, right, please??!
*Western Atheism people (including all their hues and or denominations) sprang up to start with as they refused to accept a human God Jesus and Trinity in reaction to the prime creeds of Pauline-Christianity, right?

Regards
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Do you know how the Subject/human demonstrated a state of love and turn it on or off? Wouldn't that be necessary?

I don't think so, i think the method is, talking about a loved on or showing photos to trigger the response.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Sure, I can accept that like I've said, but I don't personally believe it. I could be wrong, I don't know, but I do have some pretty firm beliefs. One of those though is that God doesn't set up tests we're likely to fail, and this is one of those that falls under that category.
I can recognize and appreciate choosing to "live as if" what we hope to be true, is true ... as an act of faith. It's both a logical and effective course given the fact that we humans are not omniscient, and so cannot know what's what, existentially speaking. But this does not require that we reject the possibility that we are wrong. That we presume blindly and arrogantly that what we hope to be so, is so, without doubt or reservation, and without any respect to those who believe otherwise, or something else.

I am not suggesting that you are of this latter type. only that they do exists (a-plenty) and it's why I reject the idea and practice of holding to "belief".
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I can recognize and appreciate choosing to "live as if" what we hope to be true, is true ... as an act of faith. It's both a logical and effective course given the fact that we humans are not omniscient, and so cannot know what's what, existentially speaking. But this does not require that we reject the possibility that we are wrong. That we presume blindly and arrogantly that what we hope to be so, is so, without doubt or reservation, and without any respect to those who believe otherwise, or something else.

I am not suggesting that you are of this latter type. only that they do exists (a-plenty) and it's why I reject the idea and practice of holding to "belief".
I get it, I really do, and thank you for the last sentence. All I can do is live my life according to my best guesses or beliefs. I am content to let the chips fall where they may. For instance, I was really struck by the Buddhist priests in Seoul, Korea, and the way they seemed to be so like the priests here in the States. I don't know what God is going to do with them and I really don't care, because I have enough to do with keeping myself straight!
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
What is Your Disbelief?

My disbelief is in Western Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism* and all of their other denominations, and Pauline-Christianity is the flip side* of Western Atheism and the vice versa, whatever their label/name may be, please, right?
Why to believe in them, right, please??!
*Western Atheism people (including all their hues and or denominations) sprang up to start with as they refused to accept a human God Jesus and Trinity in reaction to the prime creeds of Pauline-Christianity, right?

Regards
Atheism popped up for me when I found all spiritual beliefs equally valid and decided not to decide.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
My disbelief is in Western Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism and all of their other denominations, and Pauline-Christianity is the flip side of Western Atheism and the vice versa, whatever their label/name may be, please, right? Why to believe in them, right, please??!
Your disbelief is in atheistic humanism, where skeptical, critical empiricism yields agnostic atheism, naturalism, and rational ethics.

And what is Western atheism? Are atheists different elsewhere? Maybe you mean that atheism is more prevalent in the West.

Also, what are you saying with "right, please?" at the end of many or most sentences? It doesn't have meaning to me and I suspect that that's true for most readers. Unless that's some religious practice like adding PBUH after Mohammad's name, I suggest dropping that from your posting. It adds no information and likely confuses some who wonder just what you mean and why you wrote it.

If we do that, your comment above becomes, "My disbelief is in Western Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism and all of their other denominations, and Pauline-Christianity is the flip side of Western Atheism and the vice versa, whatever their label/name may be. Why to believe in them?" That's easier on the reader with no loss of meaning.
I believe you never understood Christianity to start with.
Christianity is easy to understand. What he indicated was that the magic was unbelievable to him.

I get that a lot, too - that I left Christianity because of some intellectual or character defect. I guess that some people consider Christianity so self-evidently correct that the only way to not accept it to not understand it. Or, if one disagrees about what a Bible passage means, it's because he lacks the help of the Holy Spirit and therefore can't understand the words however simple they are.

It's also common on these threads for individual posters to make similar claims regarding their own ideas being rejected. If you disagree with them, it must be that you're not understanding them, which is then often attributed to some intellectual or character defect.
there is no evidence that the soul does not exist
There is also no evidence that it does exist, which is the important half to the empiricist and critical thinker. For the faith-based thinker, being able to say that his beliefs have not been ruled out seems to be enough, and really, even when that is done (as with creationism), faith-based belief persists.
there is at least literature saying that it does exist.
That's not evidence for the soul's existence. That's evidence that some people believe that it exists.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I believe there are plenty of souls to go around, and we don't need to recycle any. Like I said, I don't mind if others believe in reincarnation but I don't personally. And I do believe there is a soul.
The question is: Is God creating new souls? There is no evidence either way. It is possible that God created all the souls He needed and then just recycles them. It would not necessarily be for His pleasure alone but also for our benefit.
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
I don't believe that anything is outside of nature, time or the universe (except maybe the possibility of more universes, I dunno). To me, the supernatural can either be gobbledygook or somethings are either unknown or mysterious.

I don't believe there's a universal love, not now. But I do believe in the innate ability to empathize. So there is future potential for such a thing. We should work to foster this. It's in our collective best interest.

I don't believe good or evil exist, not as having their own properties or some sort of a cognizance. They are a result or consequence of behavior and intentions. As such, there are no good or evil people just the good or evil people do.

That's enough of my rambling for now.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
The question is: Is God creating new souls? There is no evidence either way. It is possible that God created all the souls He needed and then just recycles them. It would not necessarily be for His pleasure alone but also for our benefit.
Whatever. I'm living my life to the best of my abilities and I just hope everyone else is too.
 

Tomef

Well-Known Member
What I don't believe exists is anything non-physical. Simply because I have no reason to believe in anything non-physical.
How I define physical is anything which can be detected by our senses or can affect something which we can detect by our senses.

Therefore anything claimed as supernatural or divine is imaginary to me. I understand other people believe in a reality which includes spiritual/non-physical elements. However in an argument or discussion these non-physical concepts have no significant meaning or explanatory value.

I don't mean this offensively, one has to choose for themselves what they are willing to accept. However this is how my mind works in discussions.
I believe there could be something out there that exists beyond what might be thought of as physical, maybe, but I find the idea that there is a god of some sort who just happens to correspond with any of those created in religious texts is so improbable I don’t see how belief it can be justified.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
What is Your Disbelief?

My disbelief is in Western Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism* and all of their other denominations, and Pauline-Christianity is the flip side* of Western Atheism and the vice versa, whatever their label/name may be.
Why to believe in them?!
*Western Atheism people (including all their hues and or denominations) sprang up to start with as they refused to accept a human God Jesus and Trinity in reaction to the prime creeds of Pauline-Christianity.
And what is Western atheism? Are atheists different elsewhere? Maybe you mean that atheism is more prevalent in the West.
I read " God is not Great" by Christopher Hitchens (one of the four horsemen ) by strong suggestions from an Atheist friend on an Atheism peoples forum, though I never found any attraction towards this world-view only because it has no basis of its own. I read it three times from cover to cover and I realized that he had no deep knowledge of any religion, except a little of Christendom and Judaic-ism and he generalized it to other religions. He only sneaked around into other religions worship houses and from there he formed his knowledge base of them; a very defective approach, one must say, as finding fault with others does not make any good basis for his world view he was pleading.
Eastern is different, it is for this that he did not approve of Buddhism also though hesitantly . His world-view one could gather was flip side of Christendom, so it can be described as Western Atheism, one figures. No intention to hurt anybody's feelings.

Regards
 
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Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
What I don't believe exists is anything non-physical. Simply because I have no reason to believe in anything non-physical.
How I define physical is anything which can be detected by our senses or can affect something which we can detect by our senses.

Therefore anything claimed as supernatural or divine is imaginary to me. I understand other people believe in a reality which includes spiritual/non-physical elements. However in an argument or discussion these non-physical concepts have no significant meaning or explanatory value.

I don't mean this offensively, one has to choose for themselves what they are willing to accept. However this is how my mind works in discussions.
My mom exists. She's passed, but I think of her every day.

It all depends on what you consider "is" means.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
I believe there could be something out there that exists beyond what might be thought of as physical, maybe, but I find the idea that there is a god of some sort who just happens to correspond with any of those created in religious texts is so improbable I don’t see how belief it can be justified.
Bingo.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member

What is Your Disbelief?

Tomef said:
I believe there could be something out there that exists beyond what might be thought of as physical, maybe, but I find the idea that there is a god of some sort who just happens to correspond with any of those created in religious texts is so improbable I don’t see how belief it can be justified.

Why generalize it to every religion?:
112:1-5
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
Say, ‘He is Allah, the One;
‘Allah, the Independent and Besought of all.
‘He begets not, nor is He begotten;
‘And there is none like unto Him.’

Right?

Regards
_______________________
بِسۡمِ اللّٰہِ الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِیۡمِ ﴿۱
قُلۡ ہُوَ اللّٰہُ اَحَدٌ ۚ﴿۲
اَللّٰہُ الصَّمَدُ ۚ﴿۳
لَمۡ یَلِدۡ ۬ۙ وَلَمۡ یُوۡلَدۡ ۙ﴿۴
وَلَمۡ یَکُنۡ لَّہٗ کُفُوًا اَحَدٌ ﴿٪۵
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
I disbelieve that everything in reality can be explained by way of our sense experiences.

Empiricism cannot take you all the way to knowing everything important to know. Evidence can only explain behaviors of phenomena, but never the intrinsic nature of existence.

I disbelieve that scientists, and especially physicalists do not engage in heavy doses of philosophy all the time to establish all their important convictions.

I disbelieve that love is brain chemicals. Everyone that says so is unable to demonstrate how that exactly happens with all it entails.

I disbelieve that humans experience every dimension of existence.
 

Tomef

Well-Known Member
Why generalize it to every religion?:
Because religion is a general thing. Everywhere humans settled, they though up some god or set of gods. There’s nothing unique about your particular religion, if you’d had different experiences in life, been born somewhere else perhaps, or whatever it was in your case, you’d believe just as strongly in some other religion.

Everything you believe is about god came out of the mind of a person. That’s a testament to human creativity, not proof of invisible gods. Before someone invented your religion, no-one had ever heard of it. It didn’t exist. Then someone thought it up and, bingo, you have a religion.
 
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