Immigration National Emergency

Shaul said:

T minus 62 days until President Trump takes office. Just a friendly reminder! Enjoy!

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Ok? And?

You want me to cry or something? Put up a fight?

*Shrug*

I hope you get everything you deserve

McBell said:

You came into this thread like a wrecking ball, then as soon as you were asked for some details, you turned into one of those soft little puffy balls we throw for cats.

Let us try it again then:

Are you saying that not only it is ok to turn the military loose on illegals, it is just fine to have multiple standards in dealing with them?​

Or is it more like the multiple standards are expected?​

What is stance on the collateral damage?​

Or do you perhaps take the egg breaking chef approach?​

Are you gonna address them or continue to run tail tucked?

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Boy Are you ever full of s***. I've already explained the military doesn't direct it. They are only helping the civilian authorities under their jurisdiction.

Now are you going to accept that or are you going to put your head firmly back in the sand and go on pretending nobody answered you?

amorphous_constellation said:

To that statement, I can't be opposed, however, I'm having trouble envisioning this being a clean and easy process. As well, they likely wish to expand the program to those who want nothing to do with those who you named. If you read any of my posts at all on this forum, you should quickly understand that I find most issues to have a rather dense and complicated nature. Every political decision creates multiple fork paths in the future

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Getting the known criminal/ terror element tracked down , rounded up will have our hands full for awhile and there will be plenty of opposition from our own public officials to go along with it for the very reason that they are on record having looked into the camera and told the American public that the criminal/ terrorist/ trafficking/cartel/ spy elements that they have let come into this country is very minimal .
The last thing they want is an accurate daily accounting as the process continues moving forward detailing the breadth and scope of the numbers.
My guess is that by the time the long exhausting process of deporting all that criminal element is done a system will be in place for the rest to come forward and stay here under very specific rules , almost like being on probation , with the understanding that if they follow the rules for the specified period of time they can qualify for citizenship.
Those that refuse to come forward and participate would then be deported when caught.

Twilight Hue said:

Boy Are you ever full of s***. I've already explained the military doesn't direct it. They are only helping the civilian authorities under their jurisdiction.

Now are you going to accept that or are you going to put your head firmly back in the sand and go on pretending nobody answered you?

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Fair enough.
I will remove the part you answered and now will simply re-ask, again, the parts you did not address:


Remember my inquiry is in response to this here post of yours:

Twilight Hue said:

That's because of the collosal and dangerous mess that the Biden Harris Administration left behind. Nobody wouldn't even have to do something on this scale if they were competent and responsible in the first place.

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And I have not even started into the area of why the f*** Trump did nothing to stop the "colossal and dangerous" mess on his watch, but you are having no problem trying to put the blame on Biden and company....

I mean, if Trump was competent and responsible during his watch...
All he did was fail at building an effective wall...

McBell said:

Fair enough.
I will remove the part you answered and now will simply re-ask, again, the parts you did not address:

Is it fine to have multiple standards when dealing with illegals?​

Or are multiple standards expected?​

What is stance on the collateral damage?​

Or do you perhaps take the egg breaking chef approach?​

Remember my inquiry is in response to this here post of yours:


And I have not even started into the area of why the f*** Trump did nothing to stop the "colossal and dangerous" mess on his watch, but you are having no problem trying to put the blame on Biden and company....

I mean, if Trump was competent and responsible during his watch...
All he did was fail at building an effective wall...

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And you're failing to acknowledge that those numbers had quadrupled under Biden and Harris watch when they swung those doors wide open to illegals.. That's quadrupled not twice, not three times, but quadrupled!


Trump was doing a very competent job until these dolts intentionally unleashed illegal hell on American citizens they were sworn to protect.

As far as your questions go , I don't even know what you mean by multiple standards when dealing with illegals, nor what you mean by collateral damage along with your egg breaking analogy.

It's pretty straightforward if you are an American citizen you stay , if you are not authorized, you go.

Shaul said:

Hey-hey, hey-ho, illegal immigrants gonna go.
Trump's your daddy now, baby.

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Eeww.

BrokenBread said:

Your are obviously uninformed of the proposed categories of deportees and the priority each category places them in.
Priority number 1# will be known criminals, gang members, & criminal drug /human trafficking cartel members.
Why would anyone be opposed to that ?
Can you name any nation in the world who accepts known foreign criminals ?
Why not ?

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Where can we find an outline of this supposedly well thought out and detailed plan?

Shaul said:

Hey-hey, hey-ho, illegal immigrants gonna go.
Trump's your daddy now, baby.

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Oh, what compassion you show.

SkepticThinker said:

Where can we find an outline of this supposedly well thought out and detailed plan?

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Trump pledged to get started on mass deportations as soon as he enters office.

"On Day 1, I will launch the largest deportation program in American history to get the criminals out," he said during a rally at Madison Square Garden in the closing days of the presidential race. "I will rescue every city and town that has been invaded and conquered, and we will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail, then kick them the hell out of our country as fast as possible."

BrokenBread said:

Trump pledged to get started on mass deportations as soon as he enters office.

"On Day 1, I will launch the largest deportation program in American history to get the criminals out," he said during a rally at Madison Square Garden in the closing days of the presidential race. "I will rescue every city and town that has been invaded and conquered, and we will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail, then kick them the hell out of our country as fast as possible."

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So, I repeat:

Where can we find an outline of this supposedly well thought out and detailed plan?

Revoltingest said:

How do you imagine the army being used?
- Checkpoints on highways?
- Military action against areas with high concentrations of illegals?
- Door to door vetting of citizenship?
- A Kent State style operation?

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Jack-boots in action?

amorphous_constellation said:

Immigrants into this country, working manual labor, will often be great workers, but I think that our american business majors and temp agencies are often taking advantage of the immigrants. The other side of the coin, is that every american parent wants to send their kids to college, and likely sees manual labor as being beneath the dignity of their offspring.

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I don't think it's a matter of "beneath the dignity", but where the best incomes are. The USA has morphed from having a strong manufacturing and blue collar economy to being a service economy, and the jobs in the service industry has required college degrees. Why would parents gamble on declining jobs in manufacturing and ignore the increasing service industry? Life in the USA is getting more expensive so workers are looking to jobs that offer higher pay. What does picking fruit and vegetables offer? Low pay and hard work.

amorphous_constellation said:

We in america, do not instill blue-collar work with any social value. This is a cultural issue - we see college as the only route to success.

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From what I see it is the right wing making this a cultural issue. And it is using migrants as scapegoats for a lack of success among blue collar workers. And let's note that the right has been anti-union which has been one major way for workers to get increased pay and benefits.

amorphous_constellation said:

This mentality probably stems from multiple foundations, though one that I think I might broadly identify, is that all pop-media heavily promotes wealthy styles, via main characters in movies and music stars etc.

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And look who the conservatives picked for president. An elite who is always seen in a suit, and flaunts his wealth. How does this make sense? He loathes lower class workers.

amorphous_constellation said:

Another foundation might involve the collapse of religion in western society, which conversely might be something that a lot of working class immigrants try to hold onto

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What the hell is this supposed to mean?

SkepticThinker said:

So, I repeat:

Where can we find an outline of this supposedly well thought out and detailed plan?

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How does the concept of "shock & awe" style deportations have you confused ?

'Shock and awe': What Trump 'border czar' Tom Holman has said he plans to do starting on Day 1​

Holman has been tapped to oversee mass deportations in the new administration.

BrokenBread said:

How does the concept of "shock & awe" style deportations have you confused ?

'Shock and awe': What Trump 'border czar' Tom Holman has said he plans to do starting on Day 1​

Holman has been tapped to oversee mass deportations in the new administration.

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My question seems to have confused you.

I asked for the detailed step-by-step deportation plan you seem to think exists somewhere.
These last 2 posts you've made, aren't that.

SkepticThinker said:

My question seems to have confused you.

I asked for the detailed step-by-step deportation plan you seem to think exists somewhere.
These last 2 posts you've made, aren't that.

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Trump: Criminals will be deported first​

Securing the border, Donald Trump said, is a prerequisite for any other action on immigration. | Getty
By Louis Nelson
11/13/2016 12:08 PM EST
Donald Trump will begin tackling the issue of illegal immigration by rounding up and deporting undocumented immigrants with criminal records, a group that he estimates at 2 million to 3 million people, the president-elect said in an interview to air Sunday night.



If you were bright enough to grasp the " step by step" concept of " Catch & Release" going on for the last four years then you have got it junior .
Think of it as Trump doing " Catch & Release " his way the only difference being the release part will be in a country other than America , exactly as the majority of Americans voted for it to be done.
Trump has only been publicly declaring immediate deportations starting with the illegal criminal element as part of his presidency for the last two
years.

metis said:

Oh, what compassion you show.

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Leniency towards criminals is injustice for their victims. Illegal immigrants should be treated with human dignity while giving them the natural consequences for their crimes. Those that encourage illegal immigration are the ones displaying a lack of compassion. Illegal immigration includes human trafficking, sexually crimes, smuggling, drug running and the exploitation of the illegal immigrants.

Shaul said:

Leniency towards criminals is injustice for their victims.

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Who are the victims, broadly speaking, of illegal immigration?

Shaul said:

Illegal immigrants should be treated with human dignity while giving them the natural consequences for their crimes. Those that encourage illegal immigration are the ones displaying a lack of compassion. Illegal immigration includes human trafficking, sexually crimes, smuggling, drug running and the exploitation of the illegal immigrants.

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Then target human traffickers, sex criminals, smugglers, drug runners and exploiters.

What's bizarre about your post is that you go on about how illegal immigrants are criminals who should face the "natural consequences of their crimes" and that we ought not to show leniency towards criminals because that means injustice for the victims, and then go on to list a number of ways in which illegal immigrants are exploited by others that are not the fault of the illegal immigrant themselves, and a number of crimes COMMITTED AGAINST illegal immigrants, and why that justifies PUNISHING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. It's a bit weird to make the argument that criminals should feel the consequences of their crimes while simultaneously arguing that we ought to punish the victims of their crimes.

Shaul said:

Leniency towards criminals is injustice for their victims.

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But most undocumented aliens are not "criminals", so why did you through this red herring into this?

Shaul said:

Those that encourage illegal immigration are the ones displaying a lack of compassion. Illegal immigration includes human trafficking, sexually crimes, smuggling, drug running and the exploitation of the illegal immigrants.

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I never said we should encourage or allow any of the above so just another red herring by you.

BTW, when Jews fled Europe for their lives, would you use the same argument as you do above or is that "different"?

The Hammer said:

-President-elect Donald Trump confirmed on Truth Social early Monday morning that his incoming administration will declare a national emergency and use military resources to implement a mass deportation of illegal immigrants. The confirmation was made in response to an earlier post by Tom Fitton, journalist and president of Judicial Watch.

“GOOD NEWS: Reports are the incoming @RealDonaldTrump administration prepared to declare a national emergency and will use military assets to reverse the Biden invasion through a mass deportation program,” Fitton posted. --

Trump confirms plans to declare national emergency to implement mass deportation program - Washington Examiner

President-elect Donald Trump confirmed that he plans to declare a national emergency to use military resources to deport illegal immigrants.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Military assets?

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The deportation will be done in phases. The first phase is to go after the criminal illegals, like gangs members, drug traffickers, human trafficking and sex slavery, terrorist watch list, and all other forms of violent crime. The estimate is there are almost 1 million of this worse kind from all over the world.

The Hispanic border cities that had always voted Democrat, swapped to Trump this past election, because these criminals mostly target their own kind, such as the good Hispanics who live in the US, near the border. Every migrant wave, from each country, tends to also contain their own ethnic mafia, who will prey on their own kind. They will harass and shake down their own kind, who are often afraid to go to the police, if you are illegal. This first wave of deportation helps the good migrant families and businesses, so they can live in peace. Most US Hispanics do not want illegal immigrants, since they become targets of crime. Legal vets better.

At the same time, they will need to finish the wall and seal the border, so these criminal cannot just come back in. They will need the military or national guard to defend the border until it is property sealed. After that, the next phase is connected all the single young men who illegally immigrated, not the women, children and families. The young men are mostly solider age men; 18-30, that can be made to self deport, by making it illegal to have US jobs or welfare without papers. Many of the Haitians who the DNC placed in a small town in Ohio are leaving voluntarily. If you cannot find work, you can either get into crime or go home and wait to get legal papers. But crime places you in category 1 and then you will never be able to return. Go home may be the best bet and wait for your court date to plead your case.

Families will be fast tracked to their day in court and vetting, with most allowed to stay, if they are honest and self sufficient.

I was listening to the new border Czar, in charge of deportation. He said sanctuary cities will make it easier for phase one. The criminal will leave states where they are not welcome, and the police go after them. They will then go to the sanctuary cities to feel safe, making it like shooting fish in a sanctuary city barrel. The DNC will become their worst enemy by unknowingly setting a trap.

The biggest problem with illegal immigration is the cost. This added to the inflation citizen also felt. The best way with those who remain will be for the DNC to foot the entire tab. They want it and the majority does not. If you do not want you do not haver to pay anything, and any payment you were forced to make, will be reimbursed by the DNC and registered Democrats.

metis said:

But most undocumented aliens are not "criminals", so why did you through this red herring into this?



I never said we should encourage or allow any of the above so just another red herring by you.

BTW, when Jews fled Europe for their lives, would you use the same argument as you do above or is that "different"?

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Sadly, the US refused to allow a ship full of Jewish refugees into the MS St. Louis. Nobody wanted them. The were returned to Europe. Nearly a third of them died in the Holocaust. Real Christian compassion there.

This was the same administration that put US citizens in internment camps because they were Japanese. Funny how they didn't do that to Americans of German and Italian descent.