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  1. M

    So I was watching the latest Pat Condell video....

    I'm sorry that your strict interpretation of a single word kept you from absorbing, comprehending, agreeing with or intelligently contributing to the 22,000 words I posted in this thread. From Wikipedia (I wish I could link here!) Agnosticism is the philosophical view that the truth value of...
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    So I was watching the latest Pat Condell video....

    Sagan is in my top ten list of favorite people who ever walked the Earth. Listening to his voice, his poetic narratives, his views of the cosmos all set to that cheesy but strangely eerie electronic music from the 80s is proof of the excellence and beauty of humanity, in direct contradition to...
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    So I was watching the latest Pat Condell video....

    Let me watch it again and I'll let you know.... I'm going to paraphrase here: -Some people look at nature and see proof of God's existence. Pat doesn't. Yes, spot on there. Nature's abundance is proof of nature's abundance. Seeing anything more in it is like seeing divine intervention...
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    So I was watching the latest Pat Condell video....

    And thank God --- no pun --- for generalization. Human communication would stop dead in its tracks without it. But when a person points out that another is generalizing on a topic as broad as this, it kind of comes across as an unecessary speed bump, slowing the momentum of thought. But I'm glad...
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    So I was watching the latest Pat Condell video....

    More about Pat.... I certainly don't want to come across as a defender of faith. As I've said, his anti-Islamic videos appeal to me very much. A lot of people, if asked what the greatest danger posed by Islam is, would say terrorism or perhaps a fundamentalist group getting their hands on a...
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    So I was watching the latest Pat Condell video....

    Yes gnomon, but yours went so much further. (your comment, that is) EDIT: No, I'm not going to let you off the hook that easily. This thread started because I was upset about Pat Condell's latest video. I'm actually a subscriber of his because he's one of the few brave voices in the UK (that...
  7. M

    So I was watching the latest Pat Condell video....

    You saw my addendum. You know I differentiated between atheists who simply don't believe, and atheists who antagonize, debate, and think they can prove what's un-provable. I won't pretend to be able to break down the numbers and suggest "most" think this and "most" think that. All I can do is...
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    So I was watching the latest Pat Condell video....

    Addendum: You know, if an atheist says he doesn't believe in God and leaves it at that, that's okay with me. He doesn't have to believe in anything he doesn't want to, obviously. All of my references above to "atheists" are targeted more at the argumentative, obnoxious, closed-minded people who...
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    So I was watching the latest Pat Condell video....

    (You'll have to look it up on YouTube, as I can't post links yet. It's called "Children of a Stupid God".) ...and it really ticked me off. During the last couple years I've frequented the video sites (YouTube and LiveLeak), and I often come across the religion vs. atheism debate without any...
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