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  1. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    Doesn't the fact that this amazing universe exists at all and human beings exist who can contemplate their own existence lend itself that a human would observe all of this and consider a higher intelligence ? Observing the entire universe and all of nature including humans doesn't really provide...
  2. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    And vice versa in regards to how this awesome universe and human beings exist at all. All the facts we have on how the material world is constructed may be just an observation of what the designer created. I don't know , I rely on evidence , too, when it comes to believing in something, like...
  3. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    I understand what you believe, The point is that faith based ideas don't require material evidence. Just as evidence based ideas don't require faith. if someone doesn't believe or some scientific or mathematical equation based on faith then , of course, that is not reasonable. But that's not...
  4. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    You will get nowhere discussing your beliefs with most atheists as they are very ignorant to ideas and values of faith. They require empirical evidence to validate any belief system and find it unreasonable that anyone lives their lives in accordance with faith because they are ignorant of it...
  5. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    Again , you are telling people "No" and "On the contrary". You use these negative terms quite often, pretty much in every single response to people....That his his belief and his experience. These are not objective matters you are dealing with. You can't deny someone of their faith, so why are...
  6. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

  7. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    Who decides what is good or not for someone else ? That isn't for you to decide. You can only decide what is good for you. And how would you decide if one is being honest with one-self ? You are not that person. You don't possess their mind and feelings. It still seems that you expect or want...
  8. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    Why are we always getting somewhere when it fits your framework ? Yes, it is reasonable to withhold belief, but it is also reasonable for someone to have belief. I tried explaining my view. So you find people's belief in a deity unreasonable if it makes them happy and makes sense to them ? You...
  9. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    You can stop right there, I certainly don't stop right there. You took one sentence out of what I posted and fit it to your personal belief. I can still find sufficient reason to believe in deities. And I explained why I think so. Of course there are reasons not to believe in deities. But there...
  10. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    Exactly. So maybe it should come down to personal opinion rather than evidence since there might not be a possibility of there being evidence. You believe what you want and the next person will believe differently. It all becomes personal opinion. So unless there's material evidence of...
  11. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    No one can prove any Deity exists. That is a matter of faith. But faith in the existence of a Deity can be real in the minds and influence in people's lives. And if it enhances their life and is a positive experience for them, then that's all that matters. It's no one else's life to try and...
  12. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    Can you show evidence of something that exists that doesn't have a cause ? And I speak nothing of gods , I speak of the possibility of an Intelligent Designer. And even if science doesn't present current evidence or understanding of a first cause, it doesn't mean there isn't one , it means that...
  13. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

  14. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    I don't agree with that. I think it is simpler to have an ID creating the universe than to say it just simply exists. People can debate this forever. There are obviously 2 separate prevailing thoughts on this matter that cannot be answered. Neither one is any more reasonable than the other. It...
  15. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    You say existence simply cannot have a cause. I don't think this is simple in the least bit. Everything has a cause. I know you are referring to the Cosmological Argument about a First Cause. I can see both views of the argument but none give us a definitive answer. It is an ongoing debate that...
  16. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

  17. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    You say existence simply cannot have a cause. I don't think this is simple in the least bit. Everything has a cause. I know you are referring to the Cosmological Argument about a First Cause. I can see both views of the argument but none give us a definitive answer. It is an ongoing debate that...
  18. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

  19. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    I don't believe I was having a discussion with you. I know what the Cosmological Argument is and see as many sound arguments for it as I do against it. So evidently neither side has an " upper hand." And you yourself are biased , too, just in the other direction. You may be one of these smart...
  20. NoRightOrWrong

    How I Feel About Atheists

    I am not a theist but anyway, I just have one question. It's a fact that many mathematician's , physicists , biologists, astronomers, chemists, genomicists, geneticists and scientists in all fields of study do believe in not only the possibility but the probability of a God, or a Supreme Being...
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