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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    whatever you say must be true right? now do you have evidence for this thread or just personal attacks?
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    Dr. Pascale Ehrenfreund leads a team of astrobiologists at Leiden University in the Netherlands. In the third presentation in a “Life Detection” seminar series at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dr. Ehrenfreund, a specialist in complex molecules in space, who described herself as an...
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    you are asking for respect after telling me that I should listen to arguments by others who think that nature can form complex chemistry if it only had zillions of years and the proper environment? You want respect then read up on peptide and protien formation and then lay out for me the proper...
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    INTERNATIONAL UNION OF PURE AND APPLIED CHEMISTRY and INTERNATIONAL UNION OF BIOCHEMISTRY AND MOLECULAR BIOLOGY IUPAC-IUB Joint Commission on Biochemical Nomenclature (JCBN) 3AA-11. DEFINITION OF PEPTIDES A peptide is any compound produced by amide formation between a carboxyl group of one...
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    ......Recent examples of designed molecular systems capable of self-replication include nucleotide-based oligomers, conjugates of adenine and Kemp s triacid, peptides, and micelles....... http://staff.science.nus.edu.sg/~syao/Publications_files/Angew_37_478.pdf - - ......In this way they...
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    This thread deals with evidence for either premise so either post some evidence or proof against a premise, is that to hard for you?
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    And this is evidence of what?
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    And we have what for evidence??
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    Scientists have created selfreplicating molecules twice that I know of and they did it by force of intelligence not random chance so, I would say that is a fair bit of proof for intelligent ability to overcome known laws to "create" that which is an unnatural formation within our known existence.
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    My laws? What laws would those be? polymerization? law of mass action? lechateliers priciple? do you somehow have evidence that the formation of large molecules is possible somewhere else? do you have evidence that any of the laws stated above do not have force somewhere else in the universe? do...
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    Science is supposed to deal with known laws and observation, so if I go by your statement then evolution is also an argument of ignorance because it has no law abiding method of formation and all the tests performed show it as impossible and yet they have still managed to get others to believe...
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    First matter/first energy

    I used to consider the question "what would happen if an unstopable force were to meet an unmoveable object". For a long time I wrestled with this apparently unanswerable question until I met my freshman year professor of physics. Quite simply the answer is that if an unstopable force exists...
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    He has his issue and I have mine. KBC has a good argument in his thread but, I would prefer to deal with the evidence and not the wordings of premise. As anyone can see in that thread you argue everything but the evidence and then you now come to this thread to do what? are you dealing with the...
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    If as many of you seem to believe that evbolution is a fact then explain why the apparent homology of some species don't carry the genes for the similar organs in the same place within the genome? Do you people think that nature can just rearrange the locations of these things without...
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    Ifind this quite funny you say to use science...... and then you bring an argument based on....... now should I believe you because you believed him?
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    [/left] Now this is what i'm talkin about. let's see evidence not what you believe because of what you been taught. so far I have seen in this thread many beliefs but no evidence to support, so what about the evidence people? You go Steve we want the evidence not the lip service.
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    Evolution And I.d. Evidence Arguments

    I would like to see what evidences can be brought to back either evolution or i.d.. Please show any scientific evidence to back any statements for either argument. I have spent three years in college studying bio-chemistry and I personally believe the evidence backs I.D. but there may be...
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    Intelligent Design failures

    Really? what about all the science that I have posted and others have posted? do you say there is none because you won't look? I believe there is tons of current biological studies that do back I.D. such as the protein folding problem. what science do you have for evolution that doesn't involve...
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    Statistical Impossibilities of Evolution

    Hmmm I seen this post in the I.D. premise thread originally posted by KBC1963 and I thought it may be wise for you to consider this before you use the "evolving" resitance argument. Israeli biophysicist Professor Spetner in an article published in 2001 Spetner maintains that the immunity of...
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    Intelligently Designed Life on Mars?

    Do you believe that the rules of polymerization, the law of mass action, LeChateliers principle and the emirically tested and observed folding problem are pseudoscience?:tsk: The only thing I need to realize is that these rules of chemistry exist on mars as well as here and life cannot result...
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