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  1. osgart

    Secular Humanism

    Not answerable. The natural world is the totality of what we can perceive and know. That's a matter of belief. Belief with certainty is not knowledge, it is religion. The ways of knowing are through science, logical reasoning, coupled with experience, some philosophy , and understanding...
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    What is God's highest priority?

    I was under the impression that Baha'i incorporated Abrahamic religions? The main reason I'm atheist is that the universe, world, and life is far from supremely made. God, to me, is supposed to be ideal. I see an existence that lacks everything in ideals. No ideal justice, no ideal creation...
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    What is God's highest priority?

    I agree, and people's only reason for justifying it is that God said so. No one hold's God to any moral standards, nor even His own moral standards. God declares, in a book, and so it must be. That's hogwash! Truth and justice is far from explained, or demonstrated, and then God commands his...
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    What is God's highest priority?

    16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. 17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. 18 Their bows also shall dash the young...
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    What is God's highest priority?

    How is chapter 13 of Isaiah inspired by God? How is such a cruel, and disgusting punishment justified?
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    Atheists and their jargon of insults

    He wears the hat when it suits him. He is the most corrupt president we've ever had. I couldn't care less about his commands other than he must be defeated.
  7. osgart

    What is God's highest priority?

    People gravitate to whatever pleases their ego as much if not moreso than when people turn to virtues. Things such as virtuous love and also mercy love are not well understood. However if one seeks what is true, or in accordance with virtues, they'll find out a lot about virtues and vices...
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    Why would God's ultimate power come with ultimate responsibility?

    Nahhh, depends on what that God wills. Will is also a human characteristic. If that God has will then that God must be alive somehow. Being alive with the inability to act on things would drive me crazy though. I can't imagine what your God wills, and how that translates into things happening...
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    Why would God's ultimate power come with ultimate responsibility?

    I'll add your God to my list. Lol.
  10. osgart

    Logic requires Faith

    It's effectiveness, and results in producing desired outcomes in most subjects areas is a strong clue that humanity and logic is on to something factual. Logic is used to make predictions that turn out to be accurate, which to me employs little faith. If someone wants to use logic to discover...
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    Logic requires Faith

    Logic always depends on known values with evidence and verification to be of any use in inference. Where does faith come in other than inductive probability and likelihoods? Logic is best served working within known parameters. Logical argument alone outside of what is known is just guessing...
  12. osgart

    Is it possible that Christianity is true, yet the Bible contains errors?

    What is known of Christianity apart from the Bible that would make it possible that it is all true? What is Christianity defined as apart from the Bible? There is very little information about Jesus apart from the Bible.
  13. osgart

    Things You Love About Christianity

    There is about 2000 words in the Bible that are pretty, poetic, and inspiring. The other 780,000 words reveal it's not at all worthy of reverence, nor respect. The classical art, the architecture inspired by those pretty words is amazing. People over the years have made it more beautiful than it...
  14. osgart

    Why would God's ultimate power come with ultimate responsibility?

    Meaningless to humans this God is. Who is God that would do such a thing? But do we owe God anything? No. Good and evil occur whether there is a God, or no such God. Good is the virtues. Evil is the vices. The two oppose each other. Implying the title of God implies that I owe that being my...
  15. osgart

    Law of Reciprocity and Love

    I'm not sure I subscribe to the idea either. I have my own ideas about it. I might show forbearance to a murderer in order to have mercy if they were ever repentant. However I would not let them escape punishment. Then again, I might not be so kind with such. Mercy is probably something that...
  16. osgart

    Law of Reciprocity and Love

    So I can show good will to a murderer somehow as a matter of principle over anything heartfelt is what I gather you are saying. An act of mercy though I feel no such thing.
  17. osgart

    Law of Reciprocity and Love

    So loving murderers as well as innocent people is unconditional.
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    What is God's highest priority?

    If I had a God, that God's highest priority is for everyone to love every virtue with all of your fiber of being. I've counted 100 virtues, or positive character traits. Not by law, force, nor command, only by full will and total convincement should one love the virtues. Virtues are not fully...
  19. osgart

    Law of Reciprocity and Love

    How can anyone love by command. Love or else what? Love who? And why? What kind of love? Mercy, or endearment, or perhaps virtuous love. Define love. Is mercy a virtue? Is love a law? No one can command love. Love is in the heart, not in the mind. No one can love by law. Love is inspired...
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    Why would God's ultimate power come with ultimate responsibility?

    Why call the being God if it has no authority, power, and responsibility toward humans? That being would be entirely meaningless to anyone alive if it had no relationship to humans. Ultimate power, otoh, if moral toward other life necessitates total responsibility in using any ultimate...
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