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  1. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Still with the trolling. I don't care that you refuse to accept what is out best piecing together of historical evidence. I care about the evidence. You have completely failed to give even one single piece of evidence against anything I mentioned. Personal opinion is not evidence. For those...
  2. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    But he didn't give permission. Also that idea of an evil devil is Persian. Good vs evil Harsh experience had evidently convinced the prophet that wisdom, justice and goodness were utterly separate by nature from wickedness and cruelty; and in vision he beheld, co-existing with Ahura Mazda...
  3. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Please provide 1 historical scholar making the claim that we cannot date the Greek Hellenistic period properly. We have countless documents, accounts from by Arrian, Plutarch, Diodorus Siculus, Quintus Curtius Rufus, and Justin, coins, mentions from other nations, endless amounts of ways to...
  4. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Oh, good, another strawman. 2 fallacies in one statement. But before fallacy #2, we do have ways to check. We have dated information form Greek societies, dated from 300 BCE and on, many different sources, that scholars have read in Greek and found patterns in the religions they influenced...
  5. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Wait a minute, you just said Satan cannot do anything without Yahweh's permission. That is very cut and dry. Ok, so if the serpent is Satan, how can he do something without Yahweh's permission? You didn't explain it, you just re-stated it. If there is a case, then it's not true that Satan...
  6. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Then the isotope dating would reflect this and show newer rocks higher than older rocks. You don't seem to understand we have these things called oceans and we understand there is massive pressure at the bottom. Layers are not flipped. AND, you have been asking for evidence, when given evidence...
  7. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Do you want more evidence? Books, lectures, videos, all from scholars. You haven't given any evidence as to why all these fields are incorrect and you just know more. Not one thing. I assume this is just all denial. Here is a talk on Hellenism borrowings, timestamped, please tell me where he is...
  8. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    I didn't say it was "proof". But it's overwhelmingly likely. Genesis follows Mesopotamian myths and that is demonstrated by literary techniques that show it's dependent on it. Persia invades and after this we get their theology in Judaism and hugely in Christianity. The Hellenistic Greeks...
  9. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Nope, ruled out by geology. The strata is dated as being laid out over millions of years. Geochronology Geochronology is the science of determining the absolute age of rocks, fossils, and sediments by a variety of techniques. These methods indicate that the Earth as a whole is about 4.54...
  10. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Because I follow scholarship and follow the sources they give to check the evidence for myself? That doesn't make sense for being "biased" so it looks like you are actually just saying "I know you are but what am I". If you are not interested in debating or discussing why are you responding...
  11. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    I would gladly tell that if I knew someone who actually thinks that. Because they can contact several people whom I made a pact with that if the afterlife is true they have a code word to tell a medium. And yeah, no cold reading, no hints, no "I'm getting a male energy, did anyone lose a father...
  12. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Wow, here is a mind blowing thought. If you don't want to read my post, don't read it. Meanwhile try worrying about yourself and your content, which is your business. If you had a shred of evidence maybe you wouldn't have to make personal attacks on post length and you could actually take one...
  13. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    No. There is no evidence for consciousness without the brain. The soul is an archaic concept that also has no evidence. The OT had people "sleeping" in the grave until they adopted the Persian myth of a final resurrection after god/satan battle and later the Greek Hellenistic concepts of a soul...
  14. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    I believe what the evidence presents to be most likely. The historical experts agree - Nick Gier. Emeritus Professor The Iranian Impact on Judaism excerpted from N. F. Gier, Theology Bluebook, Chapter 12 It was not so much monotheism that the exilic Jews learned from the Persians as it...
  15. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Except the Persians had their religion since 1700 BCE, and teh OT NEVER MENTIONS ANY PERSIAN THEOLOGY, EVER. Until way later it's slowly introduced into the OT. Angels didn't have individual names. Some other things Yahweh didn't mention - - an evil power exists which is opposed to him, and...
  16. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    You have not even looked at, commented or tried to debunk any evidence. There is substantial evidence. What I started with you ignored. So you are not interested in truth. You have not been honest from the start and I find no reason to believe anything you say at this point. Pace palm. If a...
  17. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    I don't care what you believe, I care about what the evidence presents. I don't care if you pretend like the critical--historical field is fake while your stories are real. I have given many examples, form the Bible, please offer an argument or I will assume you cannot and are just being a sore...
  18. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Why would science care about some claim that has no evidence?
  19. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    No and the actual doctrine looks to be even more-so simply not true. Jehovah's Witnesses believe death is a state of nonexistence with no consciousness. There is no Hell of fiery torment; Hades and Sheol are understood to refer to the condition of death, termed the common grave.[156] Witnesses...
  20. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    No philosophy of dualism provides evidence for anything supernatural. It doesn't demonstrate the divine. It's just evidence for a state of mind.
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